Solid Snake

Yeah. I love Arnold and think he's doing solid work in some stuff now but this property was pretty drained of imagination pretty much when T3 was starting up. This property never had a heart to push the imagination w/o Jim Cameron. I mean, being the the one to raise bar twice (in many things) in the same franchise is a testament to what this franchise had w/ the JC.

deepmilk

Nah, Salvation is the only turd in the series.

Sonic

One can say that the Terminator franchise belongs to James Cameron.

inri222

David & Megan Ellison own it for another 4 years.

Solid Snake

Anything after T2 is a failure to what the property is. T3 is just a retread of T2 w/ a woman as the villain. It's also got shit humor in it and plot holes galore. Also looks cheap for some reason. T4 has solid action but it's not a good Terminator film, crap script and all that.. So it's an alright action flick, I guess. It also tries to do something different by putting us in a world that was only teased, so that's good in a way. T5 while doing something different again... it just falls flat immediately cuz it's hitting studio genericisms. Not an ounce of pushing the envelope in the any form. Much like the 2 before it. The film is of the most interest when it's in past and then the future war. Unfortunately you've got crap scripting. Also... Jay Courtney taking over for Michael Biehn's T1 role? Wha? That's generic casting as hell.

The problem w/ Terminator w/o James Cameron is that it doesn't have James Cameron. James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is... James Cameron.

That's why Terminator was an amazing franchise. Because of James Cameron.

Cameron pushed the format to do what he did. T3, T4, and T5 are soulless films. They don't push any form of storytelling or push the medium that is film. Without those 3 films NOTHING changes aside from being relieved of crap Terminator films. Even w/ the effects on in some of them they look bad compared to what Cameron did. They're studio films w/o any critical value to them. They don't have imagination for value. They just want their money fast and easy. That's what the brand has done till now.


So much changed w/ T1 and T2. It's impact on the imagination and film is so big that it is ridiculous how strong those 2 films are today.

dhmac

Yeah, I will say the one bright spot in Terminator Genisys is Arnold Schwarzenegger. I think it's his 2nd best performance as a Terminator, behind the original (yep, I think he walked the fine line between acting like a robot and acting like a human better in this than in even T2).

And Arnold was great in the one scene in the movie I liked: Pops Terminator taking on 1984's Terminator (and I think his line "I've been waiting for you" in the scene is a great new Arnold quote). It's a shame that his good performance is wasted in this lame-assed movie.

Supermallet

T3 may be better than Resurrection, but Alien 3 shits all over all of the post-T2 Terminator films, and all the subsequent Alien films, and Prometheus, and Avatar, and Titanic.

I will give Genisys (just typing that title makes me gag) a viewing when it's available on home video, but I have zero hopes for it. Salvation was so bad though that I can't imagine Genisys is worse.

inri222

Rob V

Generic casting is the bane of T5, IMO. Bale was completely mis-used in the middling plot of T4 and maybe could have saved T5... but probably not.

funkyryno

I wish the Sarah Connor Chronicles series had received at least another season, but other than that, the Terminator series needs the final nails hammered into its coffin.

Sonic

Wow the way you put things into perspective..genius.

hanshotfirst1138

Alien: Resurrection is, IMO a better movie than T3. It's massively flawed, but it does have a couple of brilliant scenes in it. For a fourth installment a it Hollywood franchise, it has a few interesting my idiosyncratic things in it.

inri222

That's like saying solid shit is better than liquid shit.

Supermallet

T3 plays it safe, whereas Resurrection goes all over the place. Resurrection is IMO the more interesting movie, but T3 is the more consistent movie. Neither are very good though, especially compared to the previous films in their franchises. But both look better than all the subsequent films in both of their franchises.

dhmac

IMO, the only thing good in Alien: Resurrection is the "What's Inside Me?" guy.

Decker Shado put clips of him to good use:
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(But as for the rest of the movie, not much there to call "good")

hanshotfirst1138

That's kind of what I like about Resurrection. It's fairly nuts for a fourth installment Hollywood sequel, directed by a guy who's resume was primarily quirky French art house fantasies now making an action-horror movie. Not much in it works, but it does at least go a little outside the box and have some stuff in it that's kind of unexpected.

Supermallet

I just watched Genisys. Shockingly, it was easily the best of the post-T2 Terminator films. I was able to buy into premise of it and the chances of any further sequels being as good or better than this is slim. Let it go out on a high note, even if the note isn't quite as high as T1/T2.

Sub-Zero

Terminator Genisys / 7 Oct 2015

Terminator Franchise Is 'Re-Adjusting,' Not on Hold, Says Producer

Terminator will be back.

By Matt Porter

Skydance Media Chief Creative Officer Dana Goldberg has discussed the future of the Terminator franchise.

At TheWrap's 6th Annual Media Leadership Conference, Goldberg said that she "wouldn't say on hold, so much as re-adjusting," while talking about the Terminator franchise.

Terminator: Genisys did not do well at the box office, and received average reviews, causing future sequels to be put "on hold."

“We’re ultimately happy with overall worldwide numbers. Do I wish we would have done better domestically? Absolutely,” said Goldberg. Research will be done to find out what audiences liked and disliked.

She added that Terminator would be back, however they “are not going to begin production at the beginning of next year, because again, it would be silly to not have to worry about what audiences have to say.”

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/...-says-producer

Mike86

As much as I love the franchise I don't think another reboot is the way to go. It might just be time to end it at this point because I don't think rebooting again will make audiences any more interested, especially given that Genisys was essentially rebooting the franchise while incorporating elements of the first two films.

Sub-Zero

‘Terminator 2’ Pulled Off Paramount Schedule

DthRdrX

Terminator pulled for Baywatch. That tells you everything you need to know.

Mabuse

That link isn't working. Were they really going to make something called Terminator 2? That title is already taken.

Sub-Zero

Here's a link to another article about it:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...release-857746

Artman

The only surprise is that it was still on the schedule to begin with. There was some laughs and enjoyable moments in TGen, but it was very apparent that it was going to be the final Arnold Terminator film. I can't imagine them doing anything else with it, until the rights revert back to Cameron in a few yrs.

DthRdrX

The best thing would be for them to let it rest for a few years and have Cameron make a real T3.