The Batman (2022, D: Matt Reeves) S: Pattinson
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The Penguin isn't a character that really works in a modern context unless they really do something with him. Burton turned him into a grotesque monster, which worked in the context of the Burton films. And the Gotham version is pretty cool, too.
Don't really know what Gad and the DCEU would do with the character.
In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that Gotham isn't a part of the DCEU since its version of Batman has been active for a long time.
Don't really know what Gad and the DCEU would do with the character.
In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that Gotham isn't a part of the DCEU since its version of Batman has been active for a long time.
#802
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Re: The Batman (D: Matt Reeves) S: Ben Affleck
I think The Penguin is good when portrayed like he was in Batman: The Animated Series. Essentially just a crime boss but has a bit more character than other mobster types from the Batman mythos.
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Re: The Batman (D: Matt Reeves) S: Ben Affleck
The Penguin isn't a character that really works in a modern context unless they really do something with him. Burton turned him into a grotesque monster, which worked in the context of the Burton films. And the Gotham version is pretty cool, too.
Don't really know what Gad and the DCEU would do with the character.
In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that Gotham isn't a part of the DCEU since its version of Batman has been active for a long time.
Don't really know what Gad and the DCEU would do with the character.
In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that Gotham isn't a part of the DCEU since its version of Batman has been active for a long time.
If the rumors are true - and Reeves keeps the foundational structure of the script - this could be the first of a few villains that will appear in The Batman.
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I would say PENGUIN is most likely to show up in GOTHAM CITY SIRENS then in this movie.
Pengy as a Casino/Restaurant owner with shady deals in the back room would look for me.
Pengy as a Casino/Restaurant owner with shady deals in the back room would look for me.
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David Ayer has already hinted at Black Mask with a post he made early on once Gotham Sirens was announced. Although that doesn't meant Penguin couldn't show up as a rival gang leader.
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Gad posted this photo of him with Jon Berg and Geoff Johns.
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I've only seen Gad in New Girl and he was pretty funny in that.
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No opinion either way, I just don't think he's right for The Penguin. BUT, who knows. Could be a situation where people get in an uproar and somehow, someway the actor delivers (Keaton's Batman, Ledger's Joker, Gadot's Wonder Woman).
Basically what I'm saying is, if he's not trolling (which he totally still could be), I'll give him a chance.
Basically what I'm saying is, if he's not trolling (which he totally still could be), I'll give him a chance.
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He's the token short and fat guy in Hollywood right now. Wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being true.
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I haven't been following this thread t closely, but is Affleck still playing Batman? Is Reeves still directing?
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2. Yes
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...script-1020694
Reeves is scrapping Affleck and Johns script. Starting from scratch.
Probably a good idea. Better not to work with someone's leftovers.
Reeves is scrapping Affleck and Johns script. Starting from scratch.
Probably a good idea. Better not to work with someone's leftovers.
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Re: The Batman (D: Matt Reeves) S: Ben Affleck
JULY 12, 2017 5:38pm PT by Patrick Shanley
'Batman' Director Matt Reeves Has Dropped Ben Affleck's Script
The 'War for the Planet of the Apes' together is "starting again" and promised a "new story."
Matt Reeves is revealing more from his plans for his take on The Dark Knight.
The filmmaker, who stepped into replacing star Ben Affleck as director on the project, recently revealed on MTV's Happy Sad Confused podcast that he scrapped a script by Affleck and DC's Geoff Johns.
When asked if he would be working with Affleck's script, Reeves said, "No, it’s a new story. It’s just starting again. I’m excited about it. I think it’s going to be really cool.”
Reeves, whose War for the Planet of the Apes hits theaters this weekend, has previously said that Affleck will remain as the Dark Knight in the upcoming film and that he is planning a noir-take on the character. In the original script, Deadstroke was the villain, with Joe Manganiello cast. (Reeves did not say if he plans on using Deathstroke in his script.)
Affleck is set to appear at San Diego Comic-Con next week during Warner Bros.' Hal H panel, which will feature his Justice League co-stars. He'll don the cape and cowl for the superhero team up, out in theaters Nov. 7.
'Batman' Director Matt Reeves Has Dropped Ben Affleck's Script
The 'War for the Planet of the Apes' together is "starting again" and promised a "new story."
Matt Reeves is revealing more from his plans for his take on The Dark Knight.
The filmmaker, who stepped into replacing star Ben Affleck as director on the project, recently revealed on MTV's Happy Sad Confused podcast that he scrapped a script by Affleck and DC's Geoff Johns.
When asked if he would be working with Affleck's script, Reeves said, "No, it’s a new story. It’s just starting again. I’m excited about it. I think it’s going to be really cool.”
Reeves, whose War for the Planet of the Apes hits theaters this weekend, has previously said that Affleck will remain as the Dark Knight in the upcoming film and that he is planning a noir-take on the character. In the original script, Deadstroke was the villain, with Joe Manganiello cast. (Reeves did not say if he plans on using Deathstroke in his script.)
Affleck is set to appear at San Diego Comic-Con next week during Warner Bros.' Hal H panel, which will feature his Justice League co-stars. He'll don the cape and cowl for the superhero team up, out in theaters Nov. 7.
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I'm fine with that. The new Planet of the Apes movies would be my best example of engrossing mainstream genre storytelling. 'Dawn' was exhausting (in a good way).
I just hope he gets to stick with it and we're not reading about another DCU dropout three months from now. After these projects change hands too many times they don't satisfy. Seems like the DCU people hire and fire people at-will.
I just hope he gets to stick with it and we're not reading about another DCU dropout three months from now. After these projects change hands too many times they don't satisfy. Seems like the DCU people hire and fire people at-will.
#821
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Except the difference is, he apparently has full control. The others dropped out over "creative differences".
#822
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Well I hope it works out. Marvel would have told Reeves to gtfo.
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Yes, but Marvel has a long term plan
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Re: The Batman (D: Matt Reeves) S: Ben Affleck
Ben Affleck's Batman Future in Doubt as Warner Bros. Plots Franchise
Ben Affleck is heading to Comic-Con this weekend to promote Warner Bros.’ upcoming Justice League movie, set for a Nov. 17 release. But how many more times is he likely to put on the Batsuit? Probably not many, if ever again.
Yes, Warners’ film studio chief Toby Emmerich tells The Hollywood Reporter, "Ben is our Batman. We love him as Batman. We want to keep him in the cowl as long as we can." And Matt Reeves, who will direct the studio’s still-undated (and unwritten) The Batman, has said that he means to keep Affleck in the role. But a source with knowledge of the situation says that the studio is working on plans to usher out Affleck’s Batman — gracefully, addressing the change in some shape or form in one of the upcoming DC films.
Exactly when and how that might happen has yet to be determined, but it would be wise to bet against Affleck starring in The Batman. Already he has stepped away from directing the film and Reeves is dropping the script that Affleck wrote with D.C. Entertainment’s Geoff Johns.
Reeves also has acknowledged that he has a Batman trilogy rolling around in his head, and given his success making two-thirds of a trilogy out of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and War for the Planet of the Apes, it seems fair to anticipate that Warners will want him to realize his vision.
In addition, Affleck will turn 45 in August, so he would be pushing 50 before The Batman arrives in theaters. If Reeves makes a trilogy, Affleck would be in his mid-50s at best by the time that’s done. Maybe Tom Cruise could pull that off but Affleck’s body hasn’t exactly been a temple.
And while male stars have been able to stretch their action-film relevance further in an age when there are fewer bankable young stars (Robert Downey, Jr. is 52 and going strong as Iron Man), studios favor the fresh-faced — look what happened with Spider-Man, successfully rebooted with 21-year-old Tom Holland. (Affleck also just dropped out of the Netflix project Triple Frontier, and it’s not clear what his next movie will be. His reps declined to comment.)
Warners could hypothetically create dual Batmen, keeping Affleck in the role for a planned Justice League follow-up while letting Reeves cast his movie with a different star. But that hardly seems likely. The first Justice League already is at an inflection point: Director Zack Snyder has stepped away in mid-production and his successor, Joss Whedon, is said to be doing extensive reshoots. (Note that Justice League member Superman is played by Henry Cavill, 34, The Flash is Ezra Miller, 24, Aquaman is Jason Momoa, 37, and Wonder Woman is 32-year-old Gal Gadot.) And a second Justice League movie would be years down the road. THR reported Thursday that Shazam!, with a yet-to-be-cast title star, will be the next DC movie to shoot.
Of course, Batman transitions have happened before. Starting in 1989, Warners has made films with Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale and Affleck. As a source with ties to the situation observes, there is precedent in the Batman comics for Bruce Wayne handing off the mantle to others, and even for two different Batmen cleaning up the streets of Gotham simultaneously.
The landmark 1993 Knightfall storyline left Wayne temporarily paralyzed, leading him to appoint a vigilante called Azrael as his Batman replacement. When Azrael went rogue, Wayne came out of retirement to stop him and then swiftly retired once more, appointing Dick Grayson (AKA Robin) as the new Batman. That was so successful that when Wayne was assumed dead in 2009, Grayson took on the cowl for a second time. (Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises even went this route, with Joseph Gordon-Levitt's John Blake getting the keys to the Batcave after Bale's Bruce Wayne was presumed dead.)
In the comics, Grayson stayed on as Batman even when Wayne returned to work as The Dark Knight, with the two different Batmen splitting appearances between the various comic books. Bruce Wayne took Batman Inc. and Batman and Robin, while Grayson's stories ran in Batman and Detective Comics. Grayson also appeared monthly in the Justice League of America series during this period, arguably making him the more high-profile of the two characters.
Warner Bros. could even go with the Batman Beyond approach. The fan-favorite animated series (1999-2001) saw an elderly Bruce Wayne train a young man called Terry McGinnis as his apprentice, with Wayne teaching him to take over the role as Batman. Of course, there's a downside to the passing-the-torch scenarios: It's hard to imagine fans or Reeves being excited about following someone who is not Bruce Wayne for a Batman trilogy.
Ben Affleck is heading to Comic-Con this weekend to promote Warner Bros.’ upcoming Justice League movie, set for a Nov. 17 release. But how many more times is he likely to put on the Batsuit? Probably not many, if ever again.
Yes, Warners’ film studio chief Toby Emmerich tells The Hollywood Reporter, "Ben is our Batman. We love him as Batman. We want to keep him in the cowl as long as we can." And Matt Reeves, who will direct the studio’s still-undated (and unwritten) The Batman, has said that he means to keep Affleck in the role. But a source with knowledge of the situation says that the studio is working on plans to usher out Affleck’s Batman — gracefully, addressing the change in some shape or form in one of the upcoming DC films.
Exactly when and how that might happen has yet to be determined, but it would be wise to bet against Affleck starring in The Batman. Already he has stepped away from directing the film and Reeves is dropping the script that Affleck wrote with D.C. Entertainment’s Geoff Johns.
Reeves also has acknowledged that he has a Batman trilogy rolling around in his head, and given his success making two-thirds of a trilogy out of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and War for the Planet of the Apes, it seems fair to anticipate that Warners will want him to realize his vision.
In addition, Affleck will turn 45 in August, so he would be pushing 50 before The Batman arrives in theaters. If Reeves makes a trilogy, Affleck would be in his mid-50s at best by the time that’s done. Maybe Tom Cruise could pull that off but Affleck’s body hasn’t exactly been a temple.
And while male stars have been able to stretch their action-film relevance further in an age when there are fewer bankable young stars (Robert Downey, Jr. is 52 and going strong as Iron Man), studios favor the fresh-faced — look what happened with Spider-Man, successfully rebooted with 21-year-old Tom Holland. (Affleck also just dropped out of the Netflix project Triple Frontier, and it’s not clear what his next movie will be. His reps declined to comment.)
Warners could hypothetically create dual Batmen, keeping Affleck in the role for a planned Justice League follow-up while letting Reeves cast his movie with a different star. But that hardly seems likely. The first Justice League already is at an inflection point: Director Zack Snyder has stepped away in mid-production and his successor, Joss Whedon, is said to be doing extensive reshoots. (Note that Justice League member Superman is played by Henry Cavill, 34, The Flash is Ezra Miller, 24, Aquaman is Jason Momoa, 37, and Wonder Woman is 32-year-old Gal Gadot.) And a second Justice League movie would be years down the road. THR reported Thursday that Shazam!, with a yet-to-be-cast title star, will be the next DC movie to shoot.
Of course, Batman transitions have happened before. Starting in 1989, Warners has made films with Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale and Affleck. As a source with ties to the situation observes, there is precedent in the Batman comics for Bruce Wayne handing off the mantle to others, and even for two different Batmen cleaning up the streets of Gotham simultaneously.
The landmark 1993 Knightfall storyline left Wayne temporarily paralyzed, leading him to appoint a vigilante called Azrael as his Batman replacement. When Azrael went rogue, Wayne came out of retirement to stop him and then swiftly retired once more, appointing Dick Grayson (AKA Robin) as the new Batman. That was so successful that when Wayne was assumed dead in 2009, Grayson took on the cowl for a second time. (Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises even went this route, with Joseph Gordon-Levitt's John Blake getting the keys to the Batcave after Bale's Bruce Wayne was presumed dead.)
In the comics, Grayson stayed on as Batman even when Wayne returned to work as The Dark Knight, with the two different Batmen splitting appearances between the various comic books. Bruce Wayne took Batman Inc. and Batman and Robin, while Grayson's stories ran in Batman and Detective Comics. Grayson also appeared monthly in the Justice League of America series during this period, arguably making him the more high-profile of the two characters.
Warner Bros. could even go with the Batman Beyond approach. The fan-favorite animated series (1999-2001) saw an elderly Bruce Wayne train a young man called Terry McGinnis as his apprentice, with Wayne teaching him to take over the role as Batman. Of course, there's a downside to the passing-the-torch scenarios: It's hard to imagine fans or Reeves being excited about following someone who is not Bruce Wayne for a Batman trilogy.