Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
#601
Banned by request
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
I wonder if any of those reviewers, you know....WRITE anything.
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#602
DVD Talk Godfather
#603
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
Goose the cat is Live right now (so far you're not missing much)
#604
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
Looks like they got the character right. I hope it's fun . In terms of RT, I do agree that it's wrong to review bomb, but I also think that once you give someone the power to do something on your site it's wrong to revoke it in such a manner to make it look like you're favoring some product. I could care less about Brie Larson's political views, as long as the movie itself entertains. That said, I don't think they made the right decision to sign her for seven freaking movies.
#605
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
So general question on how those contracts work - does that mean they HAVE TO use her in 7 movies? or just that she is contractually obligated to appear in 7 movies, if Marvel wants her to? I mean, we know she's going to be in 2. Just wondering if it is two-sided, or one-sided in favor of the studio.
#606
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
So general question on how those contracts work - does that mean they HAVE TO use her in 7 movies? or just that she is contractually obligated to appear in 7 movies, if Marvel wants her to? I mean, we know she's going to be in 2. Just wondering if it is two-sided, or one-sided in favor of the studio.
A 7 picture deal is pretty standard for a Marvel lead. It incorporates solo movies and other appearances. But shit... someone like Sebastian Stan signed 9 I think.
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#607
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
I’m going to see the movie no matter what, but Brie Larson brought the haters out on her own. We all know if the tables were turned and a white guy said what she said there would be no end to the amount of backlash, but since it’s a female it’s fine and she’s this brave hero. I’m tired of the trend of so many movies trying to make a social statement. A female or someone of another ethnicity is your lead? Great, but don’t try and tear down others to champion your stance of equality. White men predominantly make up the fanbase for the Marvel franchise, and I get wanting to expand on that but you shouldn’t have to at the cost of pissing off your existing fans.
#609
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
I’m going to see the movie no matter what, but Brie Larson brought the haters out on her own. We all know if the tables were turned and a white guy said what she said there would be no end to the amount of backlash, but since it’s a female it’s fine and she’s this brave hero. I’m tired of the trend of so many movies trying to make a social statement. A female or someone of another ethnicity is your lead? Great, but don’t try and tear down others to champion your stance of equality. White men predominantly make up the fanbase for the Marvel franchise, and I get wanting to expand on that but you shouldn’t have to at the cost of pissing off your existing fans.
#610
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
Not literally no, I was more using an expression. She did essentially say though that she didn’t want the opinions of reviews from middle aged white men. That was before the Rotten Tomatoes stuff happened. She caused the backlash more by trying to make this movie a social statement.
#611
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
Not literally no, I was more using an expression. She did essentially say though that she didn’t want the opinions of reviews from middle aged white men. That was before the Rotten Tomatoes stuff happened. She caused the backlash more by trying to make this movie a social statement.
Additionally, she did something great and gave people who wouldn't normally have a chance for interviews and access to press junkets. "About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male," Larson responded. "So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you, the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of colour, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
No where does it state that white dudes aren't going to still interview. She clearly said she noticed that press for her films had not included a variety of different perspectives.
Last edited by dex14; 03-01-19 at 01:40 PM.
#612
DVD Talk Legend & 2021 TOTY Winner
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
"She did essentially say". This is the problem. People apply there own interpretation into click bait headlines without context. "I don't need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle In Time. It wasn't made for him. I want to know what that film meant to women of color, to bi-racial women, to teen women of color."
Additional, she did something great and gave people who wouldn't normally have a chance for interviews and access to press junkets. "About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male," Larson responded. "So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you, the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of colour, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
No where does it state that white dudes aren't going to still interview.
Additional, she did something great and gave people who wouldn't normally have a chance for interviews and access to press junkets. "About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male," Larson responded. "So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you, the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of colour, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
No where does it state that white dudes aren't going to still interview.
#613
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
I mean, this is a clip of what she said:
https://variety.com/video/brie-larso...wards-critics/
Near the end is what I guess you're referring to, when she says:
"I do not need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about a Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him. I want to know what that film meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial." This is only after she gives the statistics of how 67% of the top critics are white males, and how only approximately 30% of the US population is white males.
So you can focus on the "I don't need" part, but she wants a better representation of the nation reviewing films, especially films made for a diverse audience. I don't see that as being a particular problem or something to get mad about. Who exactly did she "tear down?"
edited to add: darnit, I got sniped.
https://variety.com/video/brie-larso...wards-critics/
Near the end is what I guess you're referring to, when she says:
"I do not need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about a Wrinkle in Time. It wasn't made for him. I want to know what that film meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial." This is only after she gives the statistics of how 67% of the top critics are white males, and how only approximately 30% of the US population is white males.
So you can focus on the "I don't need" part, but she wants a better representation of the nation reviewing films, especially films made for a diverse audience. I don't see that as being a particular problem or something to get mad about. Who exactly did she "tear down?"
edited to add: darnit, I got sniped.
#614
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
She made the comment: “I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male”. That’s from her and she’s claiming it was out of context and has been trying to backpedal on it. That’s what started everything.
#615
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
She made the commen: “I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male”. That’s from her and she’s claiming it was out of context and has been trying to backpedal on it. That’s what started everything.
Taking what she said and creating headlines "Brie Larson doesn't want you reviewing her suphero movie, white males" and "Brie Larson is sick of being interviewed by white dudes" IS taking her words out of context.
#617
DVD Talk Legend & 2021 TOTY Winner
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
She made the commen: “I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male”. That’s from her and she’s claiming it was out of context and has been trying to backpedal on it. That’s what started everything.
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#618
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
She made the comment: “I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male”. That’s from her and she’s claiming it was out of context and has been trying to backpedal on it. That’s what started everything.
#619
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
Nope. It sounds like you're just reading into the clickbait headlines and not the actual context of the articles. You would never be able to say “I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white female”. That is the point. Because there isn't an overwhelming amount of press of that demographic covering the junkets.
#620
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
Please just watch the clip.
If you have and are still outraged, I'm not sure what to say.
If you have and are still outraged, I'm not sure what to say.
#621
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
To clarify I don’t have a huge problem with what she said. What bothers me more about it is that making a comment like that sparks shit and then we get all this “controversy” over a movie. Apparently you can’t just make a film without it having a social statement now days.
#622
DVD Talk Legend & 2021 TOTY Winner
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
In what industry are only females or or minorities getting opportunities that white men deserve? If anyone did say the opposite, it would be a ridiculous statement.
#623
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
To clarify I don’t have a huge problem with what she said. What bothers me more about it is that making a comment like that sparks shit and then we get all this “controversy” over a movie. Apparently you can’t just make a film without it having a social statement now days.
#624
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson
To clarify I don’t have a huge problem with what she said. What bothers me more about it is that making a comment like that sparks shit and then we get all this “controversy” over a movie. Apparently you can’t just make a film without it having a social statement now days.
She doesn't even say she wants white men reviewers to be a minority, just that she wants it to actively reflect society so that we can get different points of views, especially for films where the target audience is not white male. And she wasn't even talking about this movie, where a lot of the target audience is white male (although my daughter, who is neither white nor male, is super excited about it).
#625
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Captain Marvel (2019, D: Boden/Fleck) S: Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson