Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
10-18-14, 10:14 AM
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10-18-14, 10:22 AM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
Exactly. But there is no gain for Marvel , they proven they can make trillions without Spiderman and with basically unknown characters (Guardians). Putting Spiderman on the MCU only benefits Sony and helps them keep the rights
10-18-14, 12:13 PM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
No. It's not good. The comic takes place years after I Want To Believe but they've gone to great lengths to bring back every character who died during the show's run (Lone Gunmen, CSM, Mr. X) as well as re-telling classic stories in modern settings. It's a step backward instead of forward. I dropped it a few months back.
10-19-14, 03:42 PM
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Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit. It was a pretty decent movie too.
I want to say The Bourne Legacy too (oh man, that was a shitty movie) but I've heard rumours that Damon and Greengrass are coming back to make another one. Not sure if the actor who looks like a hobbit is going to be in that one or make a standalone sequel.
I want to say The Bourne Legacy too (oh man, that was a shitty movie) but I've heard rumours that Damon and Greengrass are coming back to make another one. Not sure if the actor who looks like a hobbit is going to be in that one or make a standalone sequel.
10-19-14, 03:48 PM
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I disagree that there's no benefit to Marvel. They'll have to share profits with Sony but Spider-Man is pretty damn popular so having access to that character as well as other characters from that universe could be beneficial. Especially when some of the current actors step away it'd be a benefit to still have Spider-Man at their disposal.
10-19-14, 04:53 PM
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This argument still makes no sense whatsoever to me. It is absolutely in Marvel's best interest to have the Spider-Man series healthy and profitable. Anything that raises the profile of the character and brand in the public conscious is a positive. Would Sony stand to gain more financially in the short term? Sure, but as the licensee of the character, that's always going to be the case. It's not like Sony is losing money on the franchise at this point, so it would probably be a lot of years and crappy movies (and damage to the brand) before Disney would potentially get the rights back anyway.
10-19-14, 10:32 PM
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If ASM3 doesn't get made, it just means they are going to reboot it yet again.
Sony has to keep making Spidey movies to retain the rights. It's why ASM was rushed in the first place was because time was running out. (It's also why Fox is rushing the Fantastic Four movie.)
Sony is definitely never going to let the time run out, so they are going to keep pumping them out.
Sony has to keep making Spidey movies to retain the rights. It's why ASM was rushed in the first place was because time was running out. (It's also why Fox is rushing the Fantastic Four movie.)
Sony is definitely never going to let the time run out, so they are going to keep pumping them out.
Sony pumped over $200M into production costs of ASM2 and then another $200M into worldwide advertising and distribution. Sony broke even as the film crossed $700M, but they barely made a profit. It's no wonder Sony has zero idea where to move the franchise from here. If the film made decent money, ASM3 would've been already in pre-production to hit 2016 instead of now being in development hell.
10-19-14, 10:54 PM
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Star Trek: Nemesis
It was supposed to "make up" for Star Trek: Insurrection, but it reached new levels of sucktitude. It was filled to the brim with cliches, plot holes and ripping off whole portions of The Wrath of Khan.
It led to no other Star Trek movies for 7 years where we got the even more horrible JJTrek reboot movies where Trek is now a generic Michael Bay/Star Wars mash-up. They're filled to the brim with cliches, plot holes and ripping off whole portions of The Wrath of Khan.
Thanks a lot for ruining the franchise, Star Trek: Nemesis!
It was supposed to "make up" for Star Trek: Insurrection, but it reached new levels of sucktitude. It was filled to the brim with cliches, plot holes and ripping off whole portions of The Wrath of Khan.
It led to no other Star Trek movies for 7 years where we got the even more horrible JJTrek reboot movies where Trek is now a generic Michael Bay/Star Wars mash-up. They're filled to the brim with cliches, plot holes and ripping off whole portions of The Wrath of Khan.
Thanks a lot for ruining the franchise, Star Trek: Nemesis!
10-19-14, 11:22 PM
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My personal theory is that Sony plans on tarnishing the Spider-man franchise to the point where they'll sell the rights back to Marvel when there is literally nothing left to lose. Remember, Marvel owns everything Spider-man but the film rights.
Sony pumped over $200M into production costs of ASM2 and then another $200M into worldwide advertising and distribution. Sony broke even as the film crossed $700M, but they barely made a profit. It's no wonder Sony has zero idea where to move the franchise from here. If the film made decent money, ASM3 would've been already in pre-production to hit 2016 instead of now being in development hell.
Sony pumped over $200M into production costs of ASM2 and then another $200M into worldwide advertising and distribution. Sony broke even as the film crossed $700M, but they barely made a profit. It's no wonder Sony has zero idea where to move the franchise from here. If the film made decent money, ASM3 would've been already in pre-production to hit 2016 instead of now being in development hell.
10-20-14, 11:59 AM
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So Marvel has Spider-Man TV rights ? Just make a TV show with Garfield 
10-20-14, 12:53 PM
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10-20-14, 01:56 PM
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This is my theory about Fox and the Fantastic Four. I think they've already decided to give the rights back to Marvel and they are purposely cratering the franchise with the new movie.
10-20-14, 03:58 PM
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I would use Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes as an example, but it was eventually rebooted again.
The Day the Earth Stood Still and War of the Worlds probably turned Hollywood away from rebooting 50's era sci-fi flicks.
Shaft might fit the criteria. I actually thought it was a pretty good reboot of the 70s era franchise. But Jackson was so disappointed with the film that no sequels were made.
10-20-14, 04:07 PM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
War of the Worlds cost $132 million...made almost $592 million. That's good.
The Day the Earth Stood Still was for $80 million... got $233 million. That one could be debatable but that's good. Almost 3 times it's budget.
The Day the Earth Stood Still was for $80 million... got $233 million. That one could be debatable but that's good. Almost 3 times it's budget.
10-20-14, 05:46 PM
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Scream IV was an interesting case. I don't think that movie killed the franchise as much as fail to revive it. The time period and audience for those movies had passed when it was released. The actual enforcement of the R rating kept many teens from seeing it, and those who made it a hit back in the day would now require the hiring of babysitters to go and view the new installment. It really was never meant to be for that reboot.
10-20-14, 07:24 PM
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The films are still making money and when the franchise bottoms out and there's no more money to be made, you sell the rights back as you'll have successfully fucked over your competition by giving them a franchise you gutted inside and out.
10-20-14, 08:12 PM
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10-20-14, 08:21 PM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
It's a great idea when you think about it.
The films are still making money and when the franchise bottoms out and there's no more money to be made, you sell the rights back as you'll have successfully fucked over your competition by giving them a franchise you gutted inside and out.
The films are still making money and when the franchise bottoms out and there's no more money to be made, you sell the rights back as you'll have successfully fucked over your competition by giving them a franchise you gutted inside and out.
I don't know if they're actually doing that or not. You COULD assume they are cuz of how these companies work in the past but... I dunno.
10-20-14, 11:19 PM
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If ASM3 doesn't get made, it just means they are going to reboot it yet again.
Sony has to keep making Spidey movies to retain the rights. It's why ASM was rushed in the first place was because time was running out. (It's also why Fox is rushing the Fantastic Four movie.)
Sony is definitely never going to let the time run out, so they are going to keep pumping them out.
Sony has to keep making Spidey movies to retain the rights. It's why ASM was rushed in the first place was because time was running out. (It's also why Fox is rushing the Fantastic Four movie.)
Sony is definitely never going to let the time run out, so they are going to keep pumping them out.
10-21-14, 04:13 AM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
Star Wars episodes I - III such a stab in the back. Thankfully parts IV - VI are still so incredible awesome that the flop was just temporary. I - III dare not call themselves Star Wars.
10-21-14, 10:13 AM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
The prequel trilogy didn't kill the franchise. They may not have been very good movies, but they most definitely did not kill the franchise.
10-21-14, 12:06 PM
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Re: Movies that were supposed to resurrect their franchise, but instead killed it?
FF 2 came out in 2007 as well, but filming didn't start until this year. So it's likely that had a different window.