The Interview (2014, D: Rogen/Goldberg) S: Seth Rogen, James Franco
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Curious if South Park will tackle this issue or do their own version of The Interview.
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Playing Devil's Advocate (something I do well) ... If you (general term for all of the readers) believe it is OK to release a film calling for the assassination of an actual living person because it is covered under free speech, do you agree Louis Head screaming "Burn this bitch down!" on the night of the Ferguson riots should be protected?
Please don't respond with the "but one is a parody." While I agree, we cannot say that because we have not seen the film (unless you have.)
Please don't respond with the "but one is a parody." While I agree, we cannot say that because we have not seen the film (unless you have.)
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I understand that, but this sets the tone for what movies will feel like they can get away with in the future. Things are about to get way more PC in Hollywood.
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Playing Devil's Advocate (something I do well) ... If you (general term for all of the readers) believe it is OK to release a film calling for the assassination of an actual living person because it is covered under free speech, do you agree Louis Head screaming "Burn this bitch down!" on the night of the Ferguson riots should be protected?
Please don't respond with the "but one is a parody." While I agree, we cannot say that because we have not seen the film (unless you have).
Please don't respond with the "but one is a parody." While I agree, we cannot say that because we have not seen the film (unless you have).
Just like a movie about a guy saying "Burn this bitch down!" and showing what happens isn't the same thing as saying "Burn this bitch down!!" and seeing what happens. Or a movie about a guy yelling "FIRE!" in a theater isn't the same thing as actually doing it. If it were a piece of propaganda telling everybody to out and kill this dude, then that's a different thing altogether.
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Re: The Interview (2014, D: Rogen/Goldberg) S: Seth Rogen, James Franco
In addition to the threats of violence, the hackers had also promised to release another wave of sensitive Sony info on Christmas day if the movie was released. I'd imagine that played a part in the decision as well. They're clearly not bluffing at this point, and Sony already has a disastrous number of issues to deal with from the previous leaks.
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Threatening violence and making people afraid for their lives is bullying, period. Despicable. Invoking fear in someone else exposes your own insecurity. Satire exposes truth. The truth is this: making someone else afraid is the act of a coward. Add in some anonymity and it's the definition of dishonorable.
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In addition to the threats of violence, the hackers had also promised to release another wave of sensitive Sony info on Christmas day if the movie was released. I'd imagine that played a part in the decision as well. They're clearly not bluffing at this point, and Sony already has a disastrous number of issues to deal with from the previous leaks.
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Are you willing to bet millions of dollars on that? Sony wasn't.
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To someone who asked "what's to stop the KKK from threatening theaters over Selma?"
The answer is if the KKK has hacked into the that studio's system, completely compromised all security, looted it of all information, and began dispensing it on the net, then yeah, I think theater owners and the that studio would be paying attention.
Of course, the KKK or any US based organization would be morons to do something like that because authorities would have jurisdictional access to them and would be busting down doors on just a scintilla of suspicion.
And as far as pulling it- Even if the hackers had no way of really carrying out any death and destruction, having this in a mulitplex would chill business for every other film in release. If people believed there was even a chance of carrying anything out, why would they even risk going to the film next to it?. No. They would just stay away all together. And if business were down drastically this season because of this, other studios would be looking at Sony as the douche who took a shit in the pool. Not good business. And not good with corporate owners who value something like saving face.
Sony has their plate stuffed right now. I'm sure they're relieved that one less thing is in the air to worry about.
The answer is if the KKK has hacked into the that studio's system, completely compromised all security, looted it of all information, and began dispensing it on the net, then yeah, I think theater owners and the that studio would be paying attention.
Of course, the KKK or any US based organization would be morons to do something like that because authorities would have jurisdictional access to them and would be busting down doors on just a scintilla of suspicion.
And as far as pulling it- Even if the hackers had no way of really carrying out any death and destruction, having this in a mulitplex would chill business for every other film in release. If people believed there was even a chance of carrying anything out, why would they even risk going to the film next to it?. No. They would just stay away all together. And if business were down drastically this season because of this, other studios would be looking at Sony as the douche who took a shit in the pool. Not good business. And not good with corporate owners who value something like saving face.
Sony has their plate stuffed right now. I'm sure they're relieved that one less thing is in the air to worry about.
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While I know its a very tricky subject I bet you that NO ONE said when this movie was announced "you never guess what will happen when this gets released?!".
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EDIT: I don't buy the argument that Sony or theater chains would be responsible for the illegal actions of a third party. People could sue all they want, but I can't imagine those lawsuits would get very far.
But that brings up the point of how there really can't be much made to back up what they claimed would happen if you think about it logically. But with them mentioning 911 and people still having the DKR shooting and the Boston bombing in their minds the fear tactics worked.
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yeah, the logistics of something spectacular happening are just too complex to ever pull off. But an isolated one-man incident is not out of the realm of possibility and something like that would have almost the same chilling effect on business and attendance. Business would be down big time and that's the point.
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This is all a business decision. If this movie was playing and someone shot up/blew up a theater (even someone completely unaffiliated with these "hackers"), then Sony would be facing the lawsuit to end all lawsuits. And it could have easily trumped what they lost on this cancellation.
It came down to numbers - free speech doesn't even factor into it.
It came down to numbers - free speech doesn't even factor into it.
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And as far as pulling it- Even if the hackers had no way of really carrying out any death and destruction, having this in a mulitplex would chill business for every other film in release. If people believed there was even a chance of carrying anything out, why would they even risk going to the film next to it?. No. They would just stay away all together. And if business were down drastically this season because of this, other studios would be looking at Sony as the douche who took a shit in the pool. Not good business. And not good with corporate owners who value something like saving face.
Sony has their plate stuffed right now. I'm sure they're relieved that one less thing is in the air to worry about.
Sony has their plate stuffed right now. I'm sure they're relieved that one less thing is in the air to worry about.
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Un is probably gleefully jumping up and down in his lifts. Have there been any gloating reports of successful world domination from that screeching harpy of a newsreader?
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While I recognize that Sony was under no obligation to release the movie, we are a society that values free speech and we shouldn't condone their decision. Giving into threats of violence and allowing those threats to suppress art should be troubling to everyone. And at the end of the day, we as a society shouldn't cave to threats. This is no different than letting the bully on the playground take your lunch money and give you a wedgie. It shouldn't be tolerated, period.
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The difference in this case is that there is a threat. If they ignore the threat and something happened, they aren't going to have any good defense.
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Neighbors was his highest grossing movie to date. Pretty sure he's going nowhere.
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I don't mind Rogen THAT much, but this movie looked bad. Like ball blistering, dick rotting bad.