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Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Despite having ‘biblical advisors’ to guide them, the major decision that the producers apparently made, which caused nearly every plot flaw in the movie, was to exclude God as an active character. Thus it reduced God to some mythical or even mystical character. The Creator is mentioned, obeyed, sought, questioned, and cursed in the movie by various characters, but nowhere does He speak or act clearly Himself. And when He is excluded, someone else has to be merciful (the Watchers and Noah). Someone else has to shut the door of the Ark and give the post-Flood blessing (Noah again). Someone else has to be the sovereign one who decides who lives and who dies (you guessed it, Noah again!). No wonder the movie’s Noah is so distraught by the end of the movie—who could bear the impossible weight of God-sized actions and decisions?
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n the movie, Noah wrestled with why he was chosen to survive since he recognized evil in his family and in his own heart. This is, of course, correct. Noah and his family were sinners who deserved God’s wrath as much as everyone else who was washed away in the deluge. God could only save Noah and his family because He would send His own Son to pay the penalty for our sin. Noah portrays God wrongly, and so portrays everything else wrongly. We shouldn’t really expect Hollywood to portray the picture of salvation, but when it is something that is so central to the story, we can’t act like it isn’t important that they failed to, either.
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n the movie, Noah wrestled with why he was chosen to survive since he recognized evil in his family and in his own heart. This is, of course, correct. Noah and his family were sinners who deserved God’s wrath as much as everyone else who was washed away in the deluge. God could only save Noah and his family because He would send His own Son to pay the penalty for our sin. Noah portrays God wrongly, and so portrays everything else wrongly. We shouldn’t really expect Hollywood to portray the picture of salvation, but when it is something that is so central to the story, we can’t act like it isn’t important that they failed to, either.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
It is because the movie has characters taking actions and making decisions that were all done/made by God in the original story. Though a creationist website (got the link off Blu-ray.com), this review sums up the issue succinctly: http://creation.com/noah-movie
So I can understand the complaints that "they took God out of the movie", given they made him a background character in a story where he was the chief architect of the events and originally called all the shots.
So I can understand the complaints that "they took God out of the movie", given they made him a background character in a story where he was the chief architect of the events and originally called all the shots.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
No, he's closer to nondenominational Christian. He grew up in a cult-like Catholic atmosphere where his parents were convinced rapture was eminent so there was doomsday preparation for when society crumbled, and constant militant prayer schedule to ensure their souls.
Since escaping that life he's settled down to being Christian, but where the Bible is not a science book to be taken literally. Basically, he's dead center between either character's views.
Since escaping that life he's settled down to being Christian, but where the Bible is not a science book to be taken literally. Basically, he's dead center between either character's views.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
From that creation.com article:
Not surprisingly, there were no dinosaurs shown on board the Ark, although a thoroughgoing biblical worldview implies they would have been there.
Come the fuck on!
Not surprisingly, there were no dinosaurs shown on board the Ark, although a thoroughgoing biblical worldview implies they would have been there.
Come the fuck on!
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
I've been asking that question since the beginning of the first thread on this film. So now I know. My fundamentalist brother and his wife will probably not be going to see this if they knew that. They were the first ones I heard asserting that there were dinosaurs on the ark.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah, cuz... You know. The bible is really good at making timelines with the world's physical history. I'm seeing this tomorrow. Love DA... So this one has me pretty interested.
Wait. I think this is the first disaster type flick for me to see in a theater. Hrmmm. That's pretty cool.
Wait. I think this is the first disaster type flick for me to see in a theater. Hrmmm. That's pretty cool.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Yes, I don't really agree with that, either. In the movie, God was clearly still the chief architect of everything. He decided to send the flood as judgement on man's sinfulness and disobedience, He selected Noah and his family for a task, He called all the animals to the ark, He controlled the duration and extent of the flood, and He caused the waters to recede. I think Aronofsky's choice, compared to the Biblical account, was to just greatly lessen Noah's ability to understand God's will (or, if you prefer, to lessen God's interest in spelling things out more clearly to Noah.) Personally, I think that's a pretty interesting change, and not one that's particularly blasphemous from a religious perspective.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
I've been asking that question since the beginning of the first thread on this film. So now I know. My fundamentalist brother and his wife will probably not be going to see this if they knew that. They were the first ones I heard asserting that there were dinosaurs on the ark.
No T-rexes, though.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Oh, and onto the subject of what animals were on the ark, didn't the movie hint that some creatures were not selected to survive the flood? There was that weird animal that Tubal-Cain's men were hunting towards the beginning.
Also, I appreciated Aronofsky's "evolution" montage---which really jibed with my own religious/scientific views. I interpreted that as saying that evolution did indeed occur, but the appearance of man--however long it took and by whatever means---was something that was a huge, profound break from "just another step in random evolution". At least that was my take.
Also, I appreciated Aronofsky's "evolution" montage---which really jibed with my own religious/scientific views. I interpreted that as saying that evolution did indeed occur, but the appearance of man--however long it took and by whatever means---was something that was a huge, profound break from "just another step in random evolution". At least that was my take.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Oh, and onto the subject of what animals were on the ark, didn't the movie hint that some creatures were not selected to survive the flood? There was that weird animal that Tubal-Cain's men were hunting towards the beginning.
Also, I appreciated Aronofsky's "evolution" montage---which really jibed with my own religious/scientific views. I interpreted that as saying that evolution did indeed occur, but the appearance of man--however long it took and by whatever means---was something that was a huge, profound break from "just another step in random evolution". At least that was my take.
Also, I appreciated Aronofsky's "evolution" montage---which really jibed with my own religious/scientific views. I interpreted that as saying that evolution did indeed occur, but the appearance of man--however long it took and by whatever means---was something that was a huge, profound break from "just another step in random evolution". At least that was my take.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Oh, and onto the subject of what animals were on the ark, didn't the movie hint that some creatures were not selected to survive the flood? There was that weird animal that Tubal-Cain's men were hunting towards the beginning.
Also, I appreciated Aronofsky's "evolution" montage---which really jibed with my own religious/scientific views. I interpreted that as saying that evolution did indeed occur, but the appearance of man--however long it took and by whatever means---was something that was a huge, profound break from "just another step in random evolution". At least that was my take.
Also, I appreciated Aronofsky's "evolution" montage---which really jibed with my own religious/scientific views. I interpreted that as saying that evolution did indeed occur, but the appearance of man--however long it took and by whatever means---was something that was a huge, profound break from "just another step in random evolution". At least that was my take.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Even if Aronofsky is an atheist who personally believes ONLY in a random/material origin of man (I don't know what his actual beliefs are), I think the nature of the story he was telling required him to add at least some degree of a divine origin of man in the film.
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Re: Noah (Aronofsky, 2014) — The Reviews Thread
Yeah, as Aronofsky himself said last week on "The Colbert Report," Morgan Freeman was unavailable and George Burns is dead, so how do you convincingly portray God on screen?