Box Office July 5-7 2013: The Lone Ranger is taken out behind the barn and shot
07-08-13, 12:54 PM
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Re: Box Office July 5-7 2013: The Lone Ranger is taken out behind the barn and shot
He is very, very easily the biggest name in pure stand-up comedy right now (i.e. does not have a TV show named after him). It helps that he is hugely funny.
07-08-13, 12:57 PM
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Re: Box Office July 5-7 2013: The Lone Ranger is taken out behind the barn and shot
hell, throw in some aliens (i.e,'Cowboys and Aliens') THAT couldn't help the genre either.
07-08-13, 12:57 PM
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Re: Box Office July 5-7 2013: The Lone Ranger is taken out behind the barn and shot
What message would that be? Disney went through the exact same thing last year with John Carter: spending too much money on a movie featuring a character few know or remember. This sort of thing will continue to happen. The bigger question is how much this damages the Mouse House. Having the two biggest flops in consecutive years is no good.
07-08-13, 12:59 PM
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What message would that be? Disney went through the exact same thing last year with John Carter: spending too much money on a movie featuring a character few know or remember. This sort of thing will continue to happen. The bigger question is how much this damages the Mouse House. Having the two biggest flops in consecutive years is no good.
read this and you wonder with all the backstabbing how Disney Corp. really keeps afloat:
07-08-13, 01:06 PM
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07-08-13, 01:28 PM
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DISNEY WAR is a fantastic read 
Hate Eisner as much as you want -- much of it deserved -- but if it weren't for him (and Wells and Katzenberg, but primarily Eisner) Disney would have been dead in the water in the 80s. He revitalized the organization -- rescued it, really -- and turned into into a massive multimedia empire.
He also nearly drove it into the ground as well. The way he alienated, belittled, and bullied the board and principle stockholders is the stuff of epic hubris.
It almost reads like a Shakespearean tragedy, really.
And as far as Disney Feature Films are concerned: for every Lone Ranger and John Carter, they have an Avengers, Iron Man 3, Monsters University, Wreck-It Ralph, and to a lesser extent Oz: The Great and Powerful and also other things.
Hate Eisner as much as you want -- much of it deserved -- but if it weren't for him (and Wells and Katzenberg, but primarily Eisner) Disney would have been dead in the water in the 80s. He revitalized the organization -- rescued it, really -- and turned into into a massive multimedia empire.He also nearly drove it into the ground as well. The way he alienated, belittled, and bullied the board and principle stockholders is the stuff of epic hubris.
It almost reads like a Shakespearean tragedy, really.
And as far as Disney Feature Films are concerned: for every Lone Ranger and John Carter, they have an Avengers, Iron Man 3, Monsters University, Wreck-It Ralph, and to a lesser extent Oz: The Great and Powerful and also other things.
07-08-13, 01:42 PM
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What message would that be? Disney went through the exact same thing last year with John Carter: spending too much money on a movie featuring a character few know or remember. This sort of thing will continue to happen. The bigger question is how much this damages the Mouse House. Having the two biggest flops in consecutive years is no good.
07-08-13, 01:53 PM
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Disney's movie strategy of late has been to do LESS movies. A handful of $150-$200 million tentpole flicks per year, rather than a whole bunch of $50-$100 million "medium" budgeters. To develop franchises and exploit company resources rather than try "new" movies.
Expect a lot more Marvel flicks in the future. Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, so long as the creatives who made Phase 1 work stay in control.
Expect a lot more Marvel flicks in the future. Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, so long as the creatives who made Phase 1 work stay in control.
07-08-13, 02:16 PM
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At some point, Disney will go the Planes route with a few of the Marvel characters. A "Set in the world of..." movie without Marvel's creative team behind it.
07-08-13, 02:31 PM
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07-08-13, 04:38 PM
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Since the release of John Carter to The Lone Ranger now...
2012:
Chimpanzee: $30M production budget. $50M worldwide gross.
The Avengers: $220M production budget. $1.5B worldwide gross.
Brave: $185M production budget. $540M worldwide gross.
People Like Us: $16M budget. $13M worldwide gross.
The Odd Life of Timothy Green: $40M budget. $50M worldwide gross.
Frankenweenie: $40M budget. $70M worldwide gross.
Wreck-It Ralph: $165M budget. $470M worldwide gross.
2013:
Oz: $215M production budget. $492M worldwide gross.
Iron Man 3: $200M production budget. $1.2B worldwide gross.
Monsters University: $185M production budget. $400M worldwide gross and counting.
This also doesn't include the 3D re-releases like Finding Nemo and Monsters Inc. that were pure profit for Disney. It also doesn't include films Disney distributed for DreamWorks and still made some cash from like Lincoln.
Yup. Disney is really hurting right now...
2012:
Chimpanzee: $30M production budget. $50M worldwide gross.
The Avengers: $220M production budget. $1.5B worldwide gross.
Brave: $185M production budget. $540M worldwide gross.
People Like Us: $16M budget. $13M worldwide gross.
The Odd Life of Timothy Green: $40M budget. $50M worldwide gross.
Frankenweenie: $40M budget. $70M worldwide gross.
Wreck-It Ralph: $165M budget. $470M worldwide gross.
2013:
Oz: $215M production budget. $492M worldwide gross.
Iron Man 3: $200M production budget. $1.2B worldwide gross.
Monsters University: $185M production budget. $400M worldwide gross and counting.
This also doesn't include the 3D re-releases like Finding Nemo and Monsters Inc. that were pure profit for Disney. It also doesn't include films Disney distributed for DreamWorks and still made some cash from like Lincoln.
Yup. Disney is really hurting right now...
07-08-13, 04:50 PM
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Re: Box Office July 5-7 2013: The Lone Ranger is taken out behind the barn and shot
Disney will be fine. Andrew Stanton and Gore Verbinski are the ones who have to worry.
07-08-13, 04:55 PM
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Stanton doesn't need to worry. He's directed both a massive ginormous blockbuster and a massive ginormous flop. He evens out.
Verbinski is still the director of the wildly successful POTC trilogy, as well as The Ring. He'll be just fine as well.
Verbinski is still the director of the wildly successful POTC trilogy, as well as The Ring. He'll be just fine as well.
07-08-13, 05:11 PM
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07-08-13, 07:43 PM
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They'll bounce back, sure, but I doubt they'll be trusted with such large budgets and insane amounts of creative control for their next pictures. My point is that any fallout from these projects will fall on them, if anybody.
07-08-13, 07:46 PM
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Stanton is directing Finding Dory, so he's already in the clear. Might not be what he wanted to do, but if that's a punishment, it's a damn good one.
07-08-13, 07:58 PM
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He probably wanted to do John Carter 2, and he's from the generation of Pixar that was against sequels, so I highly doubt this is a passion project for him.
07-08-13, 08:05 PM
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Agreed, but it's better than being an outcast. He can build back up. Probably won't be doing live action anytime soon (at least with a big budget), but hopefully he can rebound. And not be in charge of marketing. That was probably the biggest mistake.
07-08-13, 08:10 PM
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it just boggles the mind that an estimated $120 million alone went to marketing - what a sad waste.
07-08-13, 08:16 PM
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Sorry to change the subject but just wanted to mention I saw The Heat on Sunday morning. Loved the movie and so did the packed theater. I can't remember the last time I saw a filled theater at 11am.