Burnt Thru

Seemed like a pretty well crafted film, but sadly the central paradox was very lazy. Maybe the director doesn't care about sci fi at all and just wanted to have some cool scenes. The Bruce Willis speech in the diner would tend to support this idea.

auto

The things they were doing to young Dano were permanent, not something that would heal over time. I'm not sure I can explain this better but it seems heavily implied that Kid Blue was Abe. They just don't beat you over the head with it.

The Bus

I thought so too during the film but there was never anything shown that proved it or disproved it. There's a reason that Kid Blue desperately wants to be appreciated,but we're never told why.

At the same time, it seems pretty stupid for the guy running the entire operation to be sending himself out into dangerous situations.

fumanstan

I thought it was subtly implied there was some sort of connection, but not heavily implied at all. But I mentioned earlier it definitely seemed like that could have been the idea in an earlier version or possibly some scenes cut regarding those two.

And yeah, it seemed to me like only permanent damage inflicted on the younger versions affects the old. In the case of Dano's older self, I thought it was just shock at seeing what was happening, not necessarily the pain. Willis says later that as things start happening to his younger self, his head hurts because the memories start coming to him. I don't think the physical damage is felt.

Why So Blu?

Limps don't heal.

auto

Are you sure about that...in the future!!??

Why So Blu?

Then why is Kid Blue walking with one? If Abe had gotten it fixed, then Blue would not have it. He would definitely not have it in his presence - when they're both in the same room. There are several scenes with them talking and being in the same room and Abe remains normal, while Blue is a mess.

auto

Dude, you're killing me.

1. Kid Blue gets limp
2. Kid Blue grows up and has limp fixed - by magic future doctors
3. Kid Blue realizes Kid Blue is a terrible name and reverts back to his given name Abe
4. Abe Blue is sent back in time by evil future mobsters
5. Abe Blue meets Kid Blue and is annoyed at what a dumbass he was
6. Abe Blue tries to teach Kid Blue to be a cool mobster
7. Abe Blue fails at this repeatedly and fucks with Kid Blue BUT...
8. Abe Blue keeps Kid Blue around despite multiple fuckups since they are the same person

auto

To clarify, this movie takes pace between 1 and 2 and 6 and 8.

Groucho

The little boy who played Cid was fucking fantastic. It's a pretty bold move to hinge an entire movie on the performance of a five-year-old.

Also, I guess I spoiler this:



Also, nice touch with the:

Timber

Old Dano wasn't in pain. He was terrified that he was going to simply stop existing but no pain. How else to you explain him driving to the meeting point and crawling to the door. Those injuries to him happened 30 years ago, there was no longer pain associated with them but they were permanent non the less.

Thought Abe and the kid were each other pretty much from the start. I guess I never noticed the limp on the kid. A broken hand will heal, a shattered hand is more of a stretch to heal but the point still stands. There would be no point in flinching from a broken hand you received 30 years ago.

Strevlac

Eh. Competent but not particularly imaginative. Not offensively bad but I dunno if I would call it very good either. Twelve Monkeys puts it to shame.

SuckaMC

he wouldn't have flinched.. Even when the were "convincing" the other looper to come to the address, he wasn't screaming in pain, just out of surprise.

The Bus

I want to see a movie with him and Quvenzhané Wallis. Let's make dreams happen, Hollywood.

What's this again?

Timber

There was a throw away line where Willis(?) said or something of that nature. I didn't put 2 and 2 together until I just read the post above yours.

dex14

LOL reading these posts are hilarious. I don't know how much clearer you can make it. I absolutely agree with this. Me and my girlfriend both thought they were the same.

Dr. DVD

Okay, what was line supposed hint? I know it could just be a throwaway line, but unanswered questions keep me riveted.

Groucho

Couple that with another throwaway line:



The implication is that:

Timber

I'm not really how much we're supposed to spoiler tag in here.

bluetoast

What was the meaning of when we saw him shoot Bruce Willis with the hood on (after the actual meeting/knocking out)? Was that him just hoping for a normal "loop closing"?

fumanstan

I never made that connection, that explains it for me too.

I still wish we could have gotten a glimpse of that future to make the Rainmaker a little more haunting.

Wasn't that just to show the original timeline?

Dr. DVD

That was to give you the back-story of Bruce Willis' character, the original timeline so to to say. Which now begs the question:

Timber

There is a reason they said not to think too hard about time travel a couple of times in the movie. It's impossible for it to hold up under even the slightest question.

fumanstan

http://www.fastcocreate.com/1681674/...e-travel-movie

Nice article about the movie with responses from Rian Johnson about some of the time travel stuff.

bluetoast

Ah I get it now, didn't realize it was from "old Bruce"'s POV during that scene. Thanks Dr. DVD and Fumanstan.