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Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
06-08-12, 02:35 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Just got back, and I enjoyed it. Glad I saw it at a faux-imax screen, because that really does help with the enormity of the ships. I also didn't mind the 3d. I wouldn't have paid to see it in 3d if that wasn't the only screening that would work for my schedule, so I bit the bullet, and I wasn't let down. Usually the 3d doesn't look good to me when a movie is chaotic (the Spidey trailer in 3d looked awful to me), but because Prometheus is a slower paced movie, I was able to take it all in.
I must say that I didn't really care for the Engineers. I think they looked king of silly, and I don't like how this really alien franchise has become very earth-centric with the retcons of this movie. Maybe they would have been fine, if not for the other creatures in this series, the Aliens proper, being such original and iconic beasts. The Engineers were just super-sized versions of Powder. That took all of the tension out of the confrontations had with it, because of how silly it looked.
It makes me less interested in a potential sequel on the Engineers home-planet, if it deals more with that race, and their planet isn't overun by face-huggers.
Also, who's idea was it to make Idris Elba talk in a southern accent? That shit was so wrong, on so many levels.
That stuff aside, it was a pretty looking movie, that I really enjoyed losing myself in for a couple of hours. It definitely has some problems, but none of them bothered me while watching. There are a lot of questions swirling around in my head, especially about the ending, that I'm sure will be discussed into the ground by nerds of this franchise like myself.
I do have one question, though, about the ending.
I must say that I didn't really care for the Engineers. I think they looked king of silly, and I don't like how this really alien franchise has become very earth-centric with the retcons of this movie. Maybe they would have been fine, if not for the other creatures in this series, the Aliens proper, being such original and iconic beasts. The Engineers were just super-sized versions of Powder. That took all of the tension out of the confrontations had with it, because of how silly it looked.
It makes me less interested in a potential sequel on the Engineers home-planet, if it deals more with that race, and their planet isn't overun by face-huggers.
Also, who's idea was it to make Idris Elba talk in a southern accent? That shit was so wrong, on so many levels.
That stuff aside, it was a pretty looking movie, that I really enjoyed losing myself in for a couple of hours. It definitely has some problems, but none of them bothered me while watching. There are a lot of questions swirling around in my head, especially about the ending, that I'm sure will be discussed into the ground by nerds of this franchise like myself.
I do have one question, though, about the ending.
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06-08-12, 02:59 PM
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06-08-12, 03:27 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Now that more people have seen it, I'm going to get into some detail about what I thought were problems (spoilered for length and content and so people sick of hearing me whining don't have to look at it):
That's just off the top of my head but as you can see my list of complaints is long and the more I think about it the more problems I find.
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That's just off the top of my head but as you can see my list of complaints is long and the more I think about it the more problems I find.
I disagree with some of your points and agree with others. I love that the movie left you with more questions than answers, especially pertaining to David's true motives in the whole thing. Did you fault Alien for over 30 years for not explaining what the Derelict was? Why it was parked? How the eggs got in there? How the Jockey got infected? What happened to the rest of the crew? What happened to Brett and Dallas' bodies? Why the xeno didn't kill Ripley on the Narcissus and instead seems to be trying to take a nap? Why it would be necessary to bring a cat on this trip? What the deal was with the bonus situation?
I disagree completely about the CGI. I thought it was fantastic throughout including
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I agree with you about many of the characters. These had to be some of the stupidest scientists I've seen in a science-fiction film in recent years. And most of the ones that weren't were just poorly developed and useless. That Asian guy who just stood around with a scrunched-up constipated look on his face for two hours. Why? I knew something was very wrong when in the middle of the movie I realized that I felt more invested in some of the crew members of the Betty in Alien Resurrection, like Elgyn and Johnner, than I did for most of the dumbasses in this movie. I can overlook many misgivings I may have with a movie if other aspects are working but in this case that is a flaw impossible to ignore.
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06-08-12, 03:34 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Oh, and just wanted to say that it would've been a hell of a lot better had they just cast Max von Sydow as Weyland instead of caking on the makeup on poor Pearce.
06-08-12, 03:45 PM
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I agree with this 1000 percent. I was sure he was going to be de-aged or something, to explain putting an actor in old people makeup...but nope. That really stood out to me as a weird choice, especially when we NEVER see a young Pearce in the movie, and he is instead reserved for the online viral stuff. A naturally older actor would have been a much much better choice.
06-08-12, 03:46 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Alright. saw it today after work. I really enjoyed it. Hated the essentially unknown and stereotypical characters that went in.
I for the most part agree w/ everything Supermallet said..but..it's actually well directed but w/ a flawed script. I think he may overlooked some things that he didn't get because he was annoyed but..yes..he's right. Unlike him though...I did enjoy it. And my only issue w/ iffy cgi was the c section. It wasn't on par but it's pretty "average" w/ what can be done w/ the human body concept. Seems like we can never get the insides that right. I'll get back to you guys soon to counterpoint what Supermallet may have missed but yes..he's about 90% at least right...maybe more depending if I look at it again.
I await Prometheus 2 and very much hope it actually dwells into thematic intentions it supposedly had.
Also for those of you who thought this is 5 star worthy? Really? It's flawed as fuck w/ that script. No way it's 5 stars. If it wasn't for Ridley it would've been worse storywise.
I for the most part agree w/ everything Supermallet said..but..it's actually well directed but w/ a flawed script. I think he may overlooked some things that he didn't get because he was annoyed but..yes..he's right. Unlike him though...I did enjoy it. And my only issue w/ iffy cgi was the c section. It wasn't on par but it's pretty "average" w/ what can be done w/ the human body concept. Seems like we can never get the insides that right. I'll get back to you guys soon to counterpoint what Supermallet may have missed but yes..he's about 90% at least right...maybe more depending if I look at it again.
I await Prometheus 2 and very much hope it actually dwells into thematic intentions it supposedly had.
Also for those of you who thought this is 5 star worthy? Really? It's flawed as fuck w/ that script. No way it's 5 stars. If it wasn't for Ridley it would've been worse storywise.
06-08-12, 04:48 PM
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06-08-12, 06:22 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Just saw this. Didn't love it. Wish they'd gone full retard and just done a proper Alien prequel. I don't need a sequel to this.
06-08-12, 06:30 PM
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I love that the movie left you with more questions than answers, especially pertaining to David's true motives in the whole thing. Did you fault Alien for over 30 years for not explaining what the Derelict was? Why it was parked? How the eggs got in there? How the Jockey got infected? What happened to the rest of the crew? What happened to Brett and Dallas' bodies? Why the xeno didn't kill Ripley on the Narcissus and instead seems to be trying to take a nap? Why it would be necessary to bring a cat on this trip? What the deal was with the bonus situation?
Ambiguity can be a very good thing. Not thinking through your own script? Not so much.
I agree with you about many of the characters. These had to be some of the stupidest scientists I've seen in a science-fiction film in recent years. And most of the ones that weren't were just poorly developed and useless. That Asian guy who just stood around with a scrunched-up constipated look on his face for two hours. Why? I knew something was very wrong when in the middle of the movie I realized that I felt more invested in some of the crew members of the Betty in Alien Resurrection, like Elgyn and Johnner, than I did for most of the dumbasses in this movie. I can overlook many misgivings I may have with a movie if other aspects are working but in this case that is a flaw impossible to ignore.
06-08-12, 06:38 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
David, aside from the production design, is the only thing where I could say it was top notch. Fassbender strikes again. I really liked David. I'd personally would put in Vickers, maybe 4 more crew members, Shaw, David, Janek, and...Weyland (cuz if it had a better script...that could've turned out really well).
Also...who the fuck was in the terrain vehicle when they ran out? Shaw, Holloway, Ford, and Colloway were on the small mobile bikes. I guess David was in there w/ some crew? Had way too many nobodies in there for sure. I seriously thought it was the doomed two but then..they weren't there either. A lot of shit was overlooked. How the hell did Scott not notice that stuff?
Also...who the fuck was in the terrain vehicle when they ran out? Shaw, Holloway, Ford, and Colloway were on the small mobile bikes. I guess David was in there w/ some crew? Had way too many nobodies in there for sure. I seriously thought it was the doomed two but then..they weren't there either. A lot of shit was overlooked. How the hell did Scott not notice that stuff?
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06-08-12, 06:39 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
I liked Janek because I liked Elba. There was nothing inherent in his character that made him interesting.
But I will reiterate how much I loved Fassbender in this film. His performance is, pardon the pun, electric.
But I will reiterate how much I loved Fassbender in this film. His performance is, pardon the pun, electric.
06-08-12, 06:45 PM
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I really enjoyed this. Saw it in 3D and that probably added to it. The other thing is that I took my son as well; he is 15 and has seen the Alien franchise. However he did not know that this movie was related to Alien and about shit when the connections started showing up. That was a real treat for me to observe and probably helped my overall 4 star rating. But agree a DC on blu better be in order.
06-08-12, 06:47 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Janek as a character who had so little was a character that I understood who he was as a man and I respected that (aside from a few iffy elements via script).
David was a character who as fascinating as he was already...could've been a major big deal in this film. he's still a player but...he could've been of greater importance to the plot.
David was a character who as fascinating as he was already...could've been a major big deal in this film. he's still a player but...he could've been of greater importance to the plot.
06-08-12, 07:37 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
After seeing it a second time in IMAX, I think it was actually a bit better than I initially thought. The key is to quit trying to connect it to Alien and just look at it as a stand alone sci-fi in the Alien universe, as it was intended. Granted, there's still some fundamental flaws . For instance:
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06-08-12, 07:42 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
Saw it tonight. I liked some aspects but didn't like others as much. David was a highlight as most people in this thread seem to agree. I thought the movie was setting up Vickers to be a bigger part than she was but there didn't really seem to be any big payoff to her character. I also thought there was a lot of characters that didn't feel entirely necessary. They should have just gone with a bit smaller crew in my opinion and fleshed out the characters a bit better. I didn't mind it overall but I think it could be a bit better with a director's cut eventually.
06-08-12, 07:46 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
After seeing it a second time in IMAX, I think it was actually a bit better than I initially thought. The key is to quit trying to connect it to Alien and just look at it as a stand alone sci-fi in the Alien universe, as it was intended. Granted, there's still some fundamental flaws . For instance:
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06-08-12, 07:46 PM
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I also am confused as to what point Vickers served. She wasn't really a villain, but she didn't really drive the action either. She was just there to watch things.
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06-08-12, 08:23 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
After seeing it a second time in IMAX, I think it was actually a bit better than I initially thought. The key is to quit trying to connect it to Alien and just look at it as a stand alone sci-fi in the Alien universe, as it was intended. Granted, there's still some fundamental flaws . For instance:
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Furthermore even if I disconnected it from Alien completely my complaints would still stand in their entirety.
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06-08-12, 08:32 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
The movie was flawed but I still enjoyed my time in the theater. Yes, some of the characters acted stupid but don't they always in movies like this? Even in the original, that dude had an alien attached to his face and the crew didn't immediately throw him out, I don't care if you are my best friend, you're gone. You need characters to do stupid things and die to advance the carnage.
I didn't mind the giant squid, my jaw dropped once I realized it was a huge face-hugger.
On a side note, it cost me $18.50 to see this in faux Imax 3D and it wasn't really worth it. This was my first 3D movie in a year, I don't enjoy it but since this was actually filmed in 3D I decided to give it another chance. The glasses remove me from the movie going experience, I constantly think of the barrier between me and the screen, and add very little. I think i'm done with this trend, it just isn't worth it.
I didn't mind the giant squid, my jaw dropped once I realized it was a huge face-hugger.
On a side note, it cost me $18.50 to see this in faux Imax 3D and it wasn't really worth it. This was my first 3D movie in a year, I don't enjoy it but since this was actually filmed in 3D I decided to give it another chance. The glasses remove me from the movie going experience, I constantly think of the barrier between me and the screen, and add very little. I think i'm done with this trend, it just isn't worth it.
06-08-12, 08:49 PM
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Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
PROMETHEUS is a miserable pile of excrement disguised as cinema. Ridley Scott has solidified his decade long slide into irrelevance and incompetence, crafting a pointless sequel penned from a marginal at best writer. The visuals are thoroughly generic and devoid of any sense of wonder. The film is only saved from being completely worthless by a jaw-dropping performance from Michael Fassbender that has no business existing within 1000 miles of this production.
D+ (1.5/5)
D+ (1.5/5)
06-08-12, 09:10 PM
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