rw2516

I think we're done exploring Bond's past to see how he ticks. We're done with the rookie mistakes he made. We're done with in depth exploration of his relationships. Bond is now the confident agent doing his job in an established department where everyone knows each other. From here on a particular movie/mission could be his 50th or 500th doesn't matter.
Idon't mean the template plot where each new film just plugs in something different, but Casino/Quantum/Skyfall as if Bond, Moneypenny and new M had been doing this for years.
Imagine Skyfall with these changes:
Fiennes M and Moneypenny is already his secretary at beginning of movie. We never see her except at headquarters in London. Some other agent shoots Bond off the train and we don't see that agent again in the movie.
The showdown at end of film is at a location that has no personal meaning. No boyhood memories, parents, etc.
None of the surrogate mother/mother hen/mommy issues. Bond and M(Fiennes) have it out with the bad guys at end of movie and kick their ass. M lives.

Solid Snake

What is up w/ your structure for a post? Kind of weird.

I'm sure we are going to get a new is old and old is new now. The end of Skyfall insures that pretty much. I don't mind it to change things up either. It is tiring seeing the same Bond though. We need development of a character. I hope he continues to live as a development instead of being cliche Bond. The first 2 craig films set up to the man we know. Skyfall cements him as a man. Now we have the man and let us see what he can do as shit gets worse for his world.

I am tired of just seeing some pretty gal to just be a fuck buddy essentially. I wouldn't mind seeing a female agent actually be better than Bond. Or any agent for that matter. That wouldn't be wrong for the character. Yeoh was an opposite composite against Bond. I like how these Bond films are a bit more grounded but still fantastical as well. It adds a layered grit to it.

rocket1312

Casino Royale was fucking amazing, QoS was total crap, and Skyfall was pretty good but had some serious flaws that kept it from being great. See, it's not all extremes on the internet.

hanshotfirst1138

QOS is probably as close to experimental as a Bond movie is ever likely to get. It's a little more rough and tumble in the visual approach and it's probably the only film in the franchise where Bond is slightly rogue and isn't doing the government's work as a foot soldier. Time might treat it a little more kindly than some other Bond flicks. That said, it has some of the most horrid shaky camera I have ever seen in my entire life, and some of the editing of the action scenes is psychotically difficult to follow. It was rushed into production without a finished script, and the jumbled storyline clearly shows that. Plus, it's the last Bond flick shot on 35mm, and which ever will be, so it'll have a special place for that .

The Bond films always run on formula. Always. You can make subtle cosmetic changes (basically the locations) and bigger set pieces, but the franchise isn't ever going to get shaken up and and EON will certainly never bring in anyone who can mess with the ingredients.

DaveyJoe

I'd still like to see Nolan do a Bond movie, if only to see Guru Askew and stvn rant about how it's worse than Die Another Die.

rocket1312

I don't know. I'm not a Nolan hater by any measure, but I just don't think he's a strong enough action director. The snow assault in Inception was clearly Nolan expressing some Bond love and I thought that sequence was by far the weakest in the film. The action was all pretty incoherent. That may have been intentional on his part as I think he made a conscious decision to change up the editing in each of the "levels," but there's nothing else in his body of work that suggests to me he could handle action on a Bond scale.

DaveyJoe

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My Other Self

I'm a huge Nolan fan but the man can't direct an action scene to save his life.

Guru Askew

EON arguably ran the Bond series like a TV series as far back as the late 60s and certainly ran it that way starting in the 1980s. Only with Skyfall have they given their director any real power or control over the movie.

Nolan would be well-suited to the TV-style operation. The Bond director of 1967-2008 was there to oversee the day-to-day on the set. They were there to direct the actors. The action scenes and setpieces were farmed out to the 2nd unit. The stories were written on an executive level. This would weed out most of Nolan's shortcomings as a director.

I may rag on Nolan frequently but you aren't gonna get me to say he's a worse director than Glen (the ultimate bland yes-man director who directed 5 consecutive Bonds) or the directors of the last 3 Brosnan movies.

The thing with Nolan is that he refuses to have a 2nd unit on his films. He insists on being behind the camera for every little shot in the movie which is ridiculous and hilarious, and if he ever were to do a Bond movie he'd undoubtedly be treated more like Mendes than Forster and all that stuff about falling back on the well-oiled Bond Machine would be right out the window.

It's funny that you post this scene because its arguably the one action setpiece in a Nolan film that directly resembles and existing scene in a Bond film.

A similar mid-air hijacking exists in License to Kill, and aside from the fact that the planes are bigger and Nolan's probably cost 100x more than Glens and looks like a real movie (thanks, IMAX) as opposed to the LTK scene which looks like its from a Walker Texas Ranger episode there really isn't anything innovative in Nolan's mid-air hijacking, not to mention the fact that the LTK scene has that pre-CGI sense of danger and excitement.

DaveyJoe

Yeah, but Nolan is known for going out of his way to use practical effects as much as possible. He really did flip that plane in this scene, if there's any CGI in that sequence, it's seamless. I think there's also a lot of Bond influence in Inception, particularly the Mombassa and Snow Temple sequences, the latter being lifted right out of On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Solid Snake

One wonders though at what point WB would stop enticing Nolan so much. He's got it made at WB. They got nervous with the budget a bit but they partered with Paramount on it, for Interstellar. If Nolan went off with another studio I'd get scared of losing my moneymaker if another studio gave him some loving.

hanshotfirst1138

You actually have to try to make a worse film than Die Another Day. Try really, really hard. I could make a film in my back yard on DV which would probably be more incompetent, but less disappointing.

Nolan, IMO, starts as a writer. His films come from the rhythm he and his brother bring to his scripts, their wordy dialogue and twisting, complex plots. He not a bad visualist, but I think he starts with the mechanics of the narrative first. And I get the distinct impression that EON wouldn't want anyone tinkering with the script. And Nolan doesn't strike me as the type to come onto a project and direct as a gun for hire. He's too iconoclastic and would want to be able to do rewrites.

Never heard this, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. They probably don't want so-called auteurs anywhere near the franchise, and are almost always sure to get journeymen.

I can't see him being willing to be a pawn for anyone. Nolan doesn't strike me as the type to come onto a big studio franchise and stay on the leash. Even on Batman Begins, didn't he extensively rewrite Goyer's script?

It's probably why studios like TV-bred directors who're used to being cogs in a big machine. Shut up, take all of the ideas and pieces the studio gives you, and just direct traffic and don't have any fancy ideas about being artsy.

The closest the Bond franchise has ever come to "auteurs" are Hunt, Mendes, and maybe Forester. They want "bland yes men" who'll basically do the directing legwork without having ideas of their own and who're minimally fussy.

Nolan is hardly the only director who doesn't want a second unit. Like I said, love him or hate him, he clearly wants to be in control of the film and artistic decisions. I can't see that flying with EON. Plus, the Bond franchise has bailed on film, and I think Nolan would want to shoot celluloid.

"Looking like a real movie" would put it several steps above the glorified TV movies that the Bond franchise was in danger of becoming at the point in the pre-Die Hard years.

At the moment, if he keeps making them money, they'll keep him around, unless someone offers a bigger check. But it depends on how much longer Nolan has box office cache.

stvn1974

The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are both worse than Die Another Day.

Q already explains how the gadget work in Bond now, if Nolan directed then Bond would explain it to the villain before using them.

E Unit

Just saw this on the official 007 page on Facebook. I'm guessing we'll find out what the official title is.

HN

^^it's an announcement for when they'll announce the ET teaser for the teaser trailer of the trailer

E Unit

For those who watch the BBC Sherlock series...I think he'd make a good villain, he plays a pretty twisted Moriarty.


Sherlock Star Andrew Scott to Play Villain in Bond 24



The upcoming James Bond film, colloquially known as Bond 24 and expected to debut its title and cast officially soon, will include Sherlock star Andrew Scott as a villain, The Daily Mirror claims.

Scott, who plays Professor James Moriarty on Sherlock, will square off against Daniel Craig, who will reprise his role as James Bond in the film, which is expected to go into production soon.

Comic book movie stars Léa Seydoux and Dave Bautista are rumored to be joining the film's cast, alongside Christoph Waltz, who will play the film's primary antagonist, reportedly Ernst Stavro Blofeld, James Bond's most recognizable and recurring villain.

The odds seem good that Scott will play an agent of SPECTRE, a spy organization that rivals Bond's, if the Blofeld rumors are true.


http://comicbook.com/2014/12/03/sher...in-in-bond-24/

Solid Snake

as long as he doesnt squeall in giddy joy all the time he should be fine

Josh-da-man

James Bond vs. James Moriarty would sort of be an awesome mash-up between two different franchises.

d2cheer

rocket1312

And if the movie takes its cues from the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic series then prepare to have your mind blown.

RocShemp

I so hated him on that show. He and their version of Irene Adler sucked so hard.

E Unit

I thought the opposite. His Moriarty trumps the Guy Ritchie incarnation. There's a certain level of psycho Andrew Scott brought to the character that was needed. I think he'll do fairly well playing the same type of character in Bond 24.

I liked the actress playing Irene Adler because hey, we saw her as a dominatrix in the nude. Plus she's hot, so she gets a pass.

hanshotfirst1138

Maybe the fact that Holmes knew where to look shows he isn't entirely asexual .

I actually though that Harris' Moriarty was fantastic, cool and calculating, and definitely one of the things which the film very much got right.

Solid Snake

I could have gone w/o the overly giddy BS he kept doing. Ok. We got it. You're happy. Shut the fuck up and move forward.

Their Irene Adler was interesting and I dug the change to a degree. I did very much like the ending to that episode though.

Artman

SPECTRE it is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPECTRE