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Old 02-09-12, 04:25 AM   #126
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Is there any suggestion that he is roaming the streets? To me he was created and programmed to hunt replicants. He may very well have been on his first mission at the start of the film. A thief to catch a thief..?
That's pretty interesting. What if that WAS his first mission, his memories would be more fabricated than we thought.

But I agree with Supermallet. Why bother creating a replicant to hunt down other replicants in the first place if he's so much more physically inferior to them?

Depending on whether he's a replicant or a human, the entire purpose of the movie changes.
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Old 02-09-12, 04:46 AM   #127
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By making someone faster or stronger you make them different. Deckard is very human in all his abilities which makes him more human than Roy. He is less dangerous and less likely to discover that he is not a human (which must be a concern). The point of using a replicant is that they are disposable so it doesn't matter if he is killed in the line of duty - unlike the cops who are circling him but stay well away from the action.

BTW replicants are illegal on earth so Tyrell is breaking the law by having Rachel in his tower. Deckard is also an illegal being. If he were made super strong he would be a rather obvious crime, wouldn't he?
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Old 02-09-12, 06:36 AM   #128
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Re: Ridley Scott Ready To Direct New Version Of 'Blade Runner'

Maybe the Deckard in the movie is a replicant based on a real human blade runner named Deckard who retired and refused to come back and, as far it knows its the real Deckard.
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Sorry, I still don't buy it. Throughout the film, Deckard is beaten to a pulp by every single Replicant he encounters. Why send a Replicant to kill Replicants if the Replicant is completely identical to a human in every respect? At that point, might as well send a human.
Maybe a replicant is considered expendable and less expensive to send on the hunt compared to a human who would surely die?
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Old 02-09-12, 03:07 PM   #130
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Re: Ridley Scott Ready To Direct New Version Of 'Blade Runner'

but why use a memory implant of something that's not real ie the unicorn, if the purpose is to make Deckard fully believe he's human?
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Old 02-09-12, 03:18 PM   #131
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Why not just make a replicant to kill other replicants? Why program them to think they are human. Deckard being a replicant does not make any sense in the movie and would completely negate the book.
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Old 02-09-12, 04:37 PM   #132
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There's too many clues that Deckard IS a replicant.

Gaff knowing about the unicorn, "you've done a man's job," the replicant eyes, etc.

But it lessens the impact of the Roy Batty confrontation. Deckard, as a human, acts inhuman through the film, just doing what he's told, callously informing Rachel her memories are false, shooting a female replicant in the back.

Roy Batty on the other hand is NOT human, but acts humanely by showing mercy and saving Deckard's life, even though Deckard's intent is to kill him.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe," has less meaning if Roy is addressing a fellow replicant.
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Maybe a replicant is considered expendable and less expensive to send on the hunt compared to a human who would surely die?
It can't possibly cost less to create a fake human than it is to birth a real human.
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Old 02-09-12, 04:56 PM   #134
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It can't possibly cost less to create a fake human than it is to birth a real human.
Do you have any idea how expensive insurance payouts are for cops who die in the line of duty in the future? Are you saying there's no chance that they might send a replicant, which is more expendable than a human, on such a dangerous mission? My point is you can come up with so many theories if you use your imagination, especially for such an ambiguous film as Blade Runner.
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but why use a memory implant of something that's not real ie the unicorn, if the purpose is to make Deckard fully believe he's human?
Deckard dreams about the unicorn. It's not a memory.
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Old 02-09-12, 06:36 PM   #136
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It was a brilliant artistic choice making Deckard a replicant. This shows that replicants are more human than humans even though the human that replicants are more human than is a replicant. What a twist.
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Deckard dreams about the unicorn. It's not a memory.
Usually when people dream, their eyes are closed.
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Unless they're in the Nightmare On Elm St. remake, in which case they're micronapping.
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Old 02-09-12, 10:57 PM   #139
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Usually when people dream, their eyes are closed.
Feel free to substitute whatever word you find acceptable - daydream, vision, private thought. It is, however, generally referred to as the "unicorn dream." The point is that it's clearly not a memory.
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Old 02-11-12, 04:19 PM   #140
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Feel free to substitute whatever word you find acceptable - daydream, vision, private thought. It is, however, generally referred to as the "unicorn dream." The point is that it's clearly not a memory.
I don't understand how or why you are so adamant that this is clearly not a memory. It's not just a throwaway dream. Rick Deckard is contemplating and remembering here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-xO...eature=related
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Old 02-11-12, 06:47 PM   #141
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Also...to whomever said about them even making it out alive of the building. Who would they be running from? The movie alluded to nobody else as a threat...I think...I don't have BR to confirm here.
I always assumed that if Deckard was a Replicant and somebody was after him it would be Gaff right? Isn't that what the ending with the origami unicorn was alluding?
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Even if Deckard isn't a replicant, he has unlawful possession of one. That's why Gaff says, "It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?"
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I don't understand how or why you are so adamant that this is clearly not a memory. It's not just a throwaway dream. Rick Deckard is contemplating and remembering here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-xO...eature=related
Deckard is in a drunken, sullen haze. It's ethereal imagery of a unicorn running through a forest. There isn't even a hint of context to indicate that it's connected to his own life experience. What suggests to you that it's a memory from his life, besides the fact that he's not asleep? Believe it or not, most of our waking thoughts are not memories.

And I never said it's "just a throwaway dream." I was simply pointing out that in that scene, he's not remembering something that happened in his life.
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Even if Deckard isn't a replicant, he has unlawful possession of one. That's why Gaff says, "It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?"
Exactly, he is giving Deckard a chance at a few years of happiness, showing his humanity. If Deckard was a replicant this would be a pointless scene.
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I always assumed that if Deckard was a Replicant and somebody was after him it would be Gaff right? Isn't that what the ending with the origami unicorn was alluding?
No. The origami meant that Gaff knew Deck was a Rep and that he was not going to pursue them bt his leaving it there. Which is further strengthened by when Gaff meets up w/ Deck before the end and gives his line about living.
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Exactly, he is giving Deckard a chance at a few years of happiness, showing his humanity. If Deckard was a replicant this would be a pointless scene.
Why would it be a pointless scene? More time is all the replicants really wanted in this movie..
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Old 02-13-12, 11:05 PM   #147
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If Deckard is a newly created Replicant, why does the chief refer to him and the hosplitalized one as "two old blade runners debating metaphysics"?

Surely Bryant and Gaff would know if Deckard was a replicant so why keep up the fascade between themselves?

So he's human.

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So he's human.

You're talking about a cut scene and Ridley says you're wrong.

So he's replicant.
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Old 02-14-12, 12:38 AM   #149
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I don't always go by what the director says like in the case of George Lucas and Star Wars.

Ridley Scott says Deckard's a replicant. The script writer says he's human. It's filmed in a way that contradicts itself. The unicorn is the biggest hint for the pro replicant argument.

But if that's the case, wouldn't finding the origami unicorn shake Deckard, rather than half smiling and nodding? That would only make sense if Deckard suspected it before.

The question that Rachel asks Deckard about taking the VK test himself, raises a more important question about what is human. If he himself is a replicant, it's a basic question. If he is human, then it's a more loaded question. If a human were to fail the VK test, would he/she also be targeted for termination? If they aren't that different at all, why should replicants be treated as less than human in the first place? Or is she insinuating that his job has removed him of his compassion and made him less human than those he hunts and kills?
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I don't always go by what the director says like in the case of George Lucas and Star Wars.

Ridley Scott says Deckard's a replicant. The script writer says he's human. It's filmed in a way that contradicts itself. The unicorn is the biggest hint for the pro replicant argument.

But if that's the case, wouldn't finding the origami unicorn shake Deckard, rather than half smiling and nodding? That would only make sense if Deckard suspected it before.

The question that Rachel asks Deckard about taking the VK test himself, raises a more important question about what is human. If he himself is a replicant, it's a basic question. If he is human, then it's a more loaded question. If a human were to fail the VK test, would he/she also be targeted for termination? If they aren't that different at all, why should replicants be treated as less than human in the first place? Or is she insinuating that his job has removed him of his compassion and made him less human than those he hunts and kills?
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