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Old 08-13-11, 02:27 AM   #1
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6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

I thought this was a rather interesting read for the info on X-Men: The Last Stand alone. However, just because Singer abandoned the project, I don't understand why that plotline was scrapped.
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Re: 6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

I always love reading about film pre-production and how the original idea was pretty different, good or bad.

The original idea for Alien 3 was to do a back-to-back production with Alien 4 where Newt and Hicks have to fight off aliens on a non-commercial space station along with space marines that would arrive with a revived Ripley. The second film was then going to be all on Earth with the aliens having escaped on a shuttle.

The Godfather one is the most stupid out of all of those simply because Paramount paid Coppola and Puzo to come back because they wanted to go back to the well for more cash. The least they could have done was to pay Duvall a decent salary and get the best film possible.
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Old 08-13-11, 04:35 AM   #3
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Re: 6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

Wow that 'Robin Hood' story is depressing. If true then fuck you Ridley Scott!
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Re: 6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

Yeah, the Nottingham one was VERY interesting. It was a FRESH take on it all. When it became RH..it wasn't all that exciting.

I didn't know the plot of the Tom Hagen included GF3. That would've been pretty damn epic.
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Site blocked at work, can someone recap, or cut and paste?
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I was just about to ask the same.

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Although I enjoyed Robin Hood, I would have much prefered to see Nottingham.


For those that can't open the link at work, here's the text (sans pics):
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6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

By:Jacopo della Quercia

At some point in the last six months, you've sat in a theater watching a terrible movie that took $200 million to make and said to yourself, "Why the hell did they ever think this would be good?"

The reason is that lots of bad movies looked like good movies in the early stages. It takes a whole bunch of people to make a movie, and often the finished product is only as good as its shittiest element. That messy process is how we wound up with ...

#6. X-Men: The Last Stand


Via Chillnmasti.blogspot.com

X-Men: The Last Stand was the unforgivable follow-up to X2. We say "unforgivable" because the second X-Men movie was widely regarded as one of the greatest superhero flicks of all time, if just for one scene.


You know, the stabbing scene.

Yet, despite coming hard on the heels of that success and boasting a larger budget than most nations' militaries, The Last Stand somehow managed to spit in the face of just about everything the X-Men franchise had going for it. Everyone's favorite characters from the first two films were either killed off, depowered, reduced to cheap gags or, in Nightcrawler's case, completely left out.


"Audiences just can't root for a blue protagonist."

If you followed the debacle that was the third X-Men movie, you probably blame Twentieth Century Fox or the departure of director Bryan Singer. But the truth is that all the film's problems can be traced to one equally bad movie that steered both franchises into a kryptonite iceberg faster than a speeding bullet.

Via Superman.wikia.com
Nice work, dickface.

Singer left The Last Stand in July 2004 to direct Superman Returns, but also brought with him two of X2's screenwriters, his longtime editor/composer John Ottman and actor James "Cyclops" Marsden. Fox had no choice but to step in and make sure their dismembered picture beat Superman to the finish line over James Marsden's dead body.


Which it did.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

This:

Via Goodcomics.comicbookresources.com

If you're not a comics geek, that is an issue from one of the greatest story lines ever: "The Dark Phoenix Saga." And, sure enough, this was precisely where Bryan Singer wanted the third movie to pick up from, as it was exactly where X2 left off.

According to X2 screenwriter Michael Dougherty, The Last Stand was supposed to come off as a goddamn monster movie: "The idea was that you open up with Alkali Lake but it's completely barren and dried up and there are these odd reports of strange phenomena going on around the world accompanied by bright lights in the sky." You know, such as ships getting torn in two ...

Via Comicbookmovie.com

... and San Francisco getting fucking destroyed:

Via Comicbookmovie.com

Via Comicbookmovie.com

Instead of being shoved into the corner like Jennifer Grey, the second coming of Jean Grey/Phoenix was supposed to be heralded as if "a very god-like force had entered their reality ... causing disruptions around the world." In nerd terms, instead of X-Men: The Last Stand, you would have gotten X-Men: The Best Movie Ever, with a three-way war for control of Phoenix between the X-Men, Magneto's Brotherhood and the same Hellfire Club that would eventually be recycled into X-Men: First Class.

And someone traded that film for Superman Returns.


At long last, Superman fans can watch his son play piano.



#5. Alien: Resurrection


Via Dethorchid.com

Coming off the disastrous Alien 3, the development of Alien: Resurrection actually started off in the most promising way possible. The studio asked the up-and-coming screenwriter Joss Whedon to resurrect the franchise from the dreary and slow third film. Whedon's then-credits included Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Speed, and he would shortly thereafter get nominated for an Academy Award for Toy Story.

However, the decision to kill Ripley off in Alien 3 and the prospects for a short-lived Alien vs. Predator franchise severely tied Whedon's hands for the project, particularly when it came to all things Ripley. The studio suggested that they just clone her back in. Whedon did what they said, at which point it was suggested that he add some more clones.


Above: The difference between "horror" and "horrible."

Things kind of went downhill from there.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

First of all, let's go back one movie in the series. Check out the original, hilariously misleading teaser trailer for Alien 3.



Yep, it promised that the aliens would be showing up on Earth. A few dozen drafts of the screenplay later, it wound up taking place on a remote asteroid prison with a lonely, dog-shaped alien.

So Whedon's original draft of the next film (which you can find on the Internet) included the climax that so many of us anticipated for the Alien series: an "epic final battle on Earth, for Earth."

Leading up to that was a huge soldiers vs. aliens battle on board a massive ship that is slowly crashing toward Earth. Then a new, much more terrifying alien is born and starts wreaking havoc ... and no, it's not the weird-ass human/alien hybrid thing that made it into the film.


Which promptly started tonguing Ripley.

Here's how Whedon described it in the screenplay:

"An alien, to be sure, but nothing we've seen so far, its forelegs arch out of its back like spiders legs, its back legs set on enormous haunches, thick and powerful. Its head is long, eyeless, like the others, but along its white expanse red veins, coming out of the skin and running like thick black hairs to the back. It has retracted pincers at the side of head that come out when its tongue does. It's much bigger than the others, nearly the size of the queen herself.

And it's bone white."


So pretty much not that.

Then we see it in action:

"It LEAPS up to the ceiling in a second, quick and effortless as a monstrous flea. [It] leaps again and lands on the screaming soldier ... pincers SWING out and pin either side of his head. His eyes go wide as:

Its tongue SHOOTS into his throat. We watch it drain the blood from his body. We can see it, see its stomach swell, red tinged, as his body goes blue and slack."


"OK, that all sounds good, but we're going to just give you this instead."

So then the ship crashes on Earth, and Ripley and Call (Winona Ryder's character) are forced to do battle with this horrific new alien before it can go on a rampage through Earth's population.

As you know if you've seen the movie, virtually all of this was cut, for budget reasons. As for what was left, as Whedon puts it:

"I don't remember writing, 'A withered, granny-lookin' Pumkinhead-kinda-thing makes out with Ripley.' Pretty sure that stage direction never existed in any of my drafts."


Not that Whedon has ever had an issue ratcheting up the creep factor.



#4. Wild Wild West


Via Impawards.com

One of the worst, most unnecessary movies of all time, Wild Wild West stars Will Smith and Kevin Kline as racist jokes in cowboy outfits. It managed to score five Razzie Awards for being the shittiest piece of shit ever filmed (more than Howard the Duck, Catwoman or The Love Guru could pull off) despite its $140 million price tag. Will Smith later publicly apologized to actor Robert Conrad from the original TV series for taking such a steaming dump on the source material.

Via Amazon
"Why does this box set smell like asshole?"

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

Originally, the movie was supposed to be directed by Richard Donner, who incidentally directed three episodes of the original TV series. A pre-meltdown Mel Gibson was slated to star, and their version of the film was written by Shane Black, whose credits at the time included the often brutally violent first two Lethal Weapon movies and The Last Boy Scout. In short, Wild Wild West was damn near a clever, witty, bloody action comedy set in the Old West. But at some point Donner and Gibson left the project to make a different movie with a different writer -- Maverick.


The world will never forgive them.

So Smith was left to make the gurgling hamster fart that became Wild Wild West, which he considers to be the biggest mistake of his career if for no other reason than the role he turned down to make it: Neo from The Matrix.

Via NY Daily News
He got in 12,932 little fights, and his mom got scared ...

OK, so that might very well have ruined The Matrix (we're pretty sure the script would have gone through several rewrites to Will Smithify the role of befuddled geek Thomas Anderson). So maybe getting a shitty Wild Wild West was worth getting The Matrix in exchange.


Thanks, Will!


#3. Cool World


Via Movi.ca

The Brad Pitt/Kim Basinger animated/live action feature Cool World was an utter disaster, scoring a solid 3 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. That's worse than Batman & Robin, Showgirls and Stop! or My Mom Will Shoot, which incidentally came out that same year.

Via Amazon
Seriously, take that in for a couple of minutes.

It was supposed to be the world's first animated horror film (and it is pretty damn horrifying, just not in that way), but according to director Ralph Bakshi, the only horror was his experience working on the film with Paramount.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

It was supposed to be a "hard-R, gritty, sexy, noir horror/thriller." The original storyboards for Ralph Bakshi's script look like a mix between Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Sin City.

Via Animationarchive.org

Via Animationarchive.org

Oh, and the female lead up there wasn't supposed to be Kim Basinger -- Bakshi wanted Drew Barrymore.

Getty
Which would have worked out great since she's already a cartoon.

Everything seemed to be moving forward for that version of the film until Bakshi found a "surprise" waiting for him while on location. As Bakshi puts it, "Frank Mancuso, Jr. [the film's producer] had the script rewritten in secret. I had a huge fight with the guy and punched Mancuso, Jr. in the mouth."

Getty
He punched his hairline into a comb-over.

Also not helping were some even-less-welcome screenwriting suggestions from Basinger, who, according to Bakshi, decided she wanted it to be a PG movie (it wound up PG-13). The result, in Bakshi's own words, "was a total disaster."

Via Animationarchive.org
Judging from the storyboards, we now want to fight the staff, too.



#2. Robin Hood


Via Filmdocket.com

When most of us saw the ads for the Russell Crowe Robin Hood movie last year, the only reaction was, "What's the point?" This is a character that has been brought to the screen almost 100 times, according to IMDB, and the ads made it look like the same old shit. A blandly heroic Robin Hood shoots arrows at the evil soldiers who oppress the people while he presumably robs from the rich and gives to the poor. The only saving grace of Ridley Scott's contribution was that its artistic liberties did not include crazy shit like Morgan Freeman inventing the telescope in 1194.


History!

So why did they even bother making it? Is this the best story to spend $200 million bringing to the screen?

Well, it got made because the original script was apparently freaking amazing. It turns out the production of Scott's Robin Hood is ultimately the story of two films: the movie you saw ...


Or more likely didn't see.

... and a wholly abandoned project called Nottingham.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

Nottingham would've been the single most original Robin Hood movie in history. The original script (written by Ethan Reiff and Cyrus Voris) so excited studios when it turned up in 2007 that it became the subject of a fierce bidding war (Universal wound up paying freaking $1.5 million for it). It was a totally different take on the story -- the Sheriff of Nottingham is the main character and protagonist. Shit gets real once the sheriff investigates a string of grisly murders in the area. The sheriff then pursues an assholish Robin Hood (Russell Crowe) for the crimes only to find out that Robin, while a dickhead, was actually being framed.


It was more than "Robin Hood has a bow."

The film was to climax with an epic siege of the city of Nottingham between Prince John and King Richard, all while the Sheriff tries to discover the identity of the real killer using 12th century detective techniques (Reiff is a history buff and researched how actual killings in that era were investigated).


Cue sunglasses and an inappropriate scream.

Then, director Ridley Scott came on board and said, "What is this shit? We're making a Robin Hood movie! Get all that standard Robin Hood stuff back in there. That's what everybody wants to see." The movie was renamed Robin Hood and lots more scenes with people shooting bows and arrows were added. A few rewrites later, very little of the original screenplay remained. Today, Nottingham is a cautionary tale for every young, aspiring screenwriter out there. It doesn't matter what you write: the director and the star will decide what makes it onto the screen.


Did they mention he had a bow? Because he totally did.



#1. The Godfather: Part III


Via Geneticwriters.wordpress.com

It's the Rocky V of the Godfather trilogy, and for more reasons than just the poorly acted, painfully unwelcome supporting characters forced onto the audience at gunpoint.


She must have known someone in the film crew. But who?

All talk of Sofia Coppola's horrible acting aside, perhaps the biggest blow to The Godfather: Part III was the notable absence of Robert Duvall's consigliere Tom Hagen from the whole damn affair. The short story is that Robert Duvall's price to reprise his role was too high, but the more accurate story is that Sonny and Fredo's deaths had pretty much put Tom Hagen on equal footing with Michael for the male lead, a fact which the corresponding actors' proposed salaries didn't reflect. Duvall later said, "If they paid Pacino twice what they paid me, that's fine, but not three or four times, which is what they did."


Also, we're pretty sure Duvall looked this awesome when he said that.

Add it all up, and The Godfather: Part III was released to a chorus of boos, to the point that it's a massive understatement to say it's the worst of the Godfather films.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

The Godfather: Part III was supposed to be such an ostentatious Greek tragedy that Coppola originally wanted to title the movie The Death of Michael Corleone.


Probably at the hands of Al Pacino.

The film would have chronicled the fall of one of the greatest cinematic characters of all time, centering on a civil war between Michael Corleone and the last moral fiber left in the family, good ol' Tom Hagen. How do we know this? Because this is precisely the spectacular ending that the first two films had been hinting toward all along. Coppola would later lament in his DVD commentary that Duvall's absence "was a profound loss ... to this movie," adding that the film seemed "incomplete" without the crucial inclusion of Tom Hagen.


Then again, perhaps Duvall simply saw Sofia Coppola approaching the film like an iceberg.
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Re: 6 Famously Terrible Movies That Were Almost Awesome

This is without the pictures and video which adds qutie a bit:




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diggAt some point in the last six months, you've sat in a theater watching a terrible movie that took $200 million to make and said to yourself, "Why the hell did they ever think this would be good?"

The reason is that lots of bad movies looked like good movies in the early stages. It takes a whole bunch of people to make a movie, and often the finished product is only as good as its shittiest element. That messy process is how we wound up with ...


#6. X-Men: The Last Stand


Via Chillnmasti.blogspot.com
X-Men: The Last Stand was the unforgivable follow-up to X2. We say "unforgivable" because the second X-Men movie was widely regarded as one of the greatest superhero flicks of all time, if just for one scene.


You know, the stabbing scene.

Yet, despite coming hard on the heels of that success and boasting a larger budget than most nations' militaries, The Last Stand somehow managed to spit in the face of just about everything the X-Men franchise had going for it. Everyone's favorite characters from the first two films were either killed off, depowered, reduced to cheap gags or, in Nightcrawler's case, completely left out.


"Audiences just can't root for a blue protagonist."

If you followed the debacle that was the third X-Men movie, you probably blame Twentieth Century Fox or the departure of director Bryan Singer. But the truth is that all the film's problems can be traced to one equally bad movie that steered both franchises into a kryptonite iceberg faster than a speeding bullet.


Via Superman.wikia.com
Nice work, dickface.

Singer left The Last Stand in July 2004 to direct Superman Returns, but also brought with him two of X2's screenwriters, his longtime editor/composer John Ottman and actor James "Cyclops" Marsden. Fox had no choice but to step in and make sure their dismembered picture beat Superman to the finish line over James Marsden's dead body.


Which it did.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

This:


Via Goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
If you're not a comics geek, that is an issue from one of the greatest story lines ever: "The Dark Phoenix Saga." And, sure enough, this was precisely where Bryan Singer wanted the third movie to pick up from, as it was exactly where X2 left off.

According to X2 screenwriter Michael Dougherty, The Last Stand was supposed to come off as a goddamn monster movie: "The idea was that you open up with Alkali Lake but it's completely barren and dried up and there are these odd reports of strange phenomena going on around the world accompanied by bright lights in the sky." You know, such as ships getting torn in two ...


Via Comicbookmovie.com
... and San Francisco getting fucking destroyed:


Via Comicbookmovie.com

Via Comicbookmovie.com
Instead of being shoved into the corner like Jennifer Grey, the second coming of Jean Grey/Phoenix was supposed to be heralded as if "a very god-like force had entered their reality ... causing disruptions around the world." In nerd terms, instead of X-Men: The Last Stand, you would have gotten X-Men: The Best Movie Ever, with a three-way war for control of Phoenix between the X-Men, Magneto's Brotherhood and the same Hellfire Club that would eventually be recycled into X-Men: First Class.

And someone traded that film for Superman Returns.


At long last, Superman fans can watch his son play piano.


#5. Alien: Resurrection


Via Dethorchid.com
Coming off the disastrous Alien 3, the development of Alien: Resurrection actually started off in the most promising way possible. The studio asked the up-and-coming screenwriter Joss Whedon to resurrect the franchise from the dreary and slow third film. Whedon's then-credits included Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Speed, and he would shortly thereafter get nominated for an Academy Award for Toy Story.

However, the decision to kill Ripley off in Alien 3 and the prospects for a short-lived Alien vs. Predator franchise severely tied Whedon's hands for the project, particularly when it came to all things Ripley. The studio suggested that they just clone her back in. Whedon did what they said, at which point it was suggested that he add some more clones.


Above: The difference between "horror" and "horrible."

Things kind of went downhill from there.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

First of all, let's go back one movie in the series. Check out the original, hilariously misleading teaser trailer for Alien 3.



Yep, it promised that the aliens would be showing up on Earth. A few dozen drafts of the screenplay later, it wound up taking place on a remote asteroid prison with a lonely, dog-shaped alien.

So Whedon's original draft of the next film (which you can find on the Internet) included the climax that so many of us anticipated for the Alien series: an "epic final battle on Earth, for Earth."

Leading up to that was a huge soldiers vs. aliens battle on board a massive ship that is slowly crashing toward Earth. Then a new, much more terrifying alien is born and starts wreaking havoc ... and no, it's not the weird-ass human/alien hybrid thing that made it into the film.


Which promptly started tonguing Ripley.

Here's how Whedon described it in the screenplay:

"An alien, to be sure, but nothing we've seen so far, its forelegs arch out of its back like spiders legs, its back legs set on enormous haunches, thick and powerful. Its head is long, eyeless, like the others, but along its white expanse red veins, coming out of the skin and running like thick black hairs to the back. It has retracted pincers at the side of head that come out when its tongue does. It's much bigger than the others, nearly the size of the queen herself.

And it's bone white."


So pretty much not that.

Then we see it in action:

"It LEAPS up to the ceiling in a second, quick and effortless as a monstrous flea. [It] leaps again and lands on the screaming soldier ... pincers SWING out and pin either side of his head. His eyes go wide as:

Its tongue SHOOTS into his throat. We watch it drain the blood from his body. We can see it, see its stomach swell, red tinged, as his body goes blue and slack."


"OK, that all sounds good, but we're going to just give you this instead."

So then the ship crashes on Earth, and Ripley and Call (Winona Ryder's character) are forced to do battle with this horrific new alien before it can go on a rampage through Earth's population.

As you know if you've seen the movie, virtually all of this was cut, for budget reasons. As for what was left, as Whedon puts it:

"I don't remember writing, 'A withered, granny-lookin' Pumkinhead-kinda-thing makes out with Ripley.' Pretty sure that stage direction never existed in any of my drafts."


Not that Whedon has ever had an issue ratcheting up the creep factor.


#4. Wild Wild West


Via Impawards.com
One of the worst, most unnecessary movies of all time, Wild Wild West stars Will Smith and Kevin Kline as racist jokes in cowboy outfits. It managed to score five Razzie Awards for being the shittiest piece of shit ever filmed (more than Howard the Duck, Catwoman or The Love Guru could pull off) despite its $140 million price tag. Will Smith later publicly apologized to actor Robert Conrad from the original TV series for taking such a steaming dump on the source material.


Via Amazon
"Why does this box set smell like asshole?"

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

Originally, the movie was supposed to be directed by Richard Donner, who incidentally directed three episodes of the original TV series. A pre-meltdown Mel Gibson was slated to star, and their version of the film was written by Shane Black, whose credits at the time included the often brutally violent first two Lethal Weapon movies and The Last Boy Scout. In short, Wild Wild West was damn near a clever, witty, bloody action comedy set in the Old West. But at some point Donner and Gibson left the project to make a different movie with a different writer -- Maverick.


The world will never forgive them.

So Smith was left to make the gurgling hamster fart that became Wild Wild West, which he considers to be the biggest mistake of his career if for no other reason than the role he turned down to make it: Neo from The Matrix.


Via NY Daily News
He got in 12,932 little fights, and his mom got scared ...

OK, so that might very well have ruined The Matrix (we're pretty sure the script would have gone through several rewrites to Will Smithify the role of befuddled geek Thomas Anderson). So maybe getting a shitty Wild Wild West was worth getting The Matrix in exchange.


Thanks, Will!


#3. Cool World


Via Movi.ca
The Brad Pitt/Kim Basinger animated/live action feature Cool World was an utter disaster, scoring a solid 3 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. That's worse than Batman & Robin, Showgirls and Stop! or My Mom Will Shoot, which incidentally came out that same year.


Via Amazon
Seriously, take that in for a couple of minutes.

It was supposed to be the world's first animated horror film (and it is pretty damn horrifying, just not in that way), but according to director Ralph Bakshi, the only horror was his experience working on the film with Paramount.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

It was supposed to be a "hard-R, gritty, sexy, noir horror/thriller." The original storyboards for Ralph Bakshi's script look like a mix between Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Sin City.


Via Animationarchive.org

Via Animationarchive.org
Oh, and the female lead up there wasn't supposed to be Kim Basinger -- Bakshi wanted Drew Barrymore.


Getty
Which would have worked out great since she's already a cartoon.

Everything seemed to be moving forward for that version of the film until Bakshi found a "surprise" waiting for him while on location. As Bakshi puts it, "Frank Mancuso, Jr. [the film's producer] had the script rewritten in secret. I had a huge fight with the guy and punched Mancuso, Jr. in the mouth."


Getty
He punched his hairline into a comb-over.

Also not helping were some even-less-welcome screenwriting suggestions from Basinger, who, according to Bakshi, decided she wanted it to be a PG movie (it wound up PG-13). The result, in Bakshi's own words, "was a total disaster."


Via Animationarchive.org
Judging from the storyboards, we now want to fight the staff, too.


#2. Robin Hood


Via Filmdocket.com
When most of us saw the ads for the Russell Crowe Robin Hood movie last year, the only reaction was, "What's the point?" This is a character that has been brought to the screen almost 100 times, according to IMDB, and the ads made it look like the same old shit. A blandly heroic Robin Hood shoots arrows at the evil soldiers who oppress the people while he presumably robs from the rich and gives to the poor. The only saving grace of Ridley Scott's contribution was that its artistic liberties did not include crazy shit like Morgan Freeman inventing the telescope in 1194.


History!

So why did they even bother making it? Is this the best story to spend $200 million bringing to the screen?

Well, it got made because the original script was apparently freaking amazing. It turns out the production of Scott's Robin Hood is ultimately the story of two films: the movie you saw ...


Or more likely didn't see.

... and a wholly abandoned project called Nottingham.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

Nottingham would've been the single most original Robin Hood movie in history. The original script (written by Ethan Reiff and Cyrus Voris) so excited studios when it turned up in 2007 that it became the subject of a fierce bidding war (Universal wound up paying freaking $1.5 million for it). It was a totally different take on the story -- the Sheriff of Nottingham is the main character and protagonist. Shit gets real once the sheriff investigates a string of grisly murders in the area. The sheriff then pursues an assholish Robin Hood (Russell Crowe) for the crimes only to find out that Robin, while a dickhead, was actually being framed.


It was more than "Robin Hood has a bow."

The film was to climax with an epic siege of the city of Nottingham between Prince John and King Richard, all while the Sheriff tries to discover the identity of the real killer using 12th century detective techniques (Reiff is a history buff and researched how actual killings in that era were investigated).


Cue sunglasses and an inappropriate scream.

Then, director Ridley Scott came on board and said, "What is this shit? We're making a Robin Hood movie! Get all that standard Robin Hood stuff back in there. That's what everybody wants to see." The movie was renamed Robin Hood and lots more scenes with people shooting bows and arrows were added. A few rewrites later, very little of the original screenplay remained. Today, Nottingham is a cautionary tale for every young, aspiring screenwriter out there. It doesn't matter what you write: the director and the star will decide what makes it onto the screen.


Did they mention he had a bow? Because he totally did.


#1. The Godfather: Part III


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It's the Rocky V of the Godfather trilogy, and for more reasons than just the poorly acted, painfully unwelcome supporting characters forced onto the audience at gunpoint.


She must have known someone in the film crew. But who?

All talk of Sofia Coppola's horrible acting aside, perhaps the biggest blow to The Godfather: Part III was the notable absence of Robert Duvall's consigliere Tom Hagen from the whole damn affair. The short story is that Robert Duvall's price to reprise his role was too high, but the more accurate story is that Sonny and Fredo's deaths had pretty much put Tom Hagen on equal footing with Michael for the male lead, a fact which the corresponding actors' proposed salaries didn't reflect. Duvall later said, "If they paid Pacino twice what they paid me, that's fine, but not three or four times, which is what they did."


Also, we're pretty sure Duvall looked this awesome when he said that.

Add it all up, and The Godfather: Part III was released to a chorus of boos, to the point that it's a massive understatement to say it's the worst of the Godfather films.

The Awesome Movie We Missed Out On:

The Godfather: Part III was supposed to be such an ostentatious Greek tragedy that Coppola originally wanted to title the movie The Death of Michael Corleone.


Probably at the hands of Al Pacino.

The film would have chronicled the fall of one of the greatest cinematic characters of all time, centering on a civil war between Michael Corleone and the last moral fiber left in the family, good ol' Tom Hagen. How do we know this? Because this is precisely the spectacular ending that the first two films had been hinting toward all along. Coppola would later lament in his DVD commentary that Duvall's absence "was a profound loss ... to this movie," adding that the film seemed "incomplete" without the crucial inclusion of Tom Hagen.


Then again, perhaps Duvall simply saw Sofia Coppola approaching the film like an iceberg.
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Thanks, guys.

Of all those, I wish we'd gotten Singer's X3. I could happily live if Superman Returns To Stalk Lois Lane was never made.
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Never heard of that proposed Godfather idea. Would've been amazing.

I was actually expecting a more completely different plot for the original X3 (Phoenix still destroys shit, The Brotherhood's still there, San Francisco still gets wrecked---Or the Golden Gate, at least)

Very surprised that it was Ridley who demanded that Robin Hood should go the predictable route. I was certain that it was the studio heads who turned "Nottingham" into "Robin Hood".
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Yeah, as awesome as X2 was, the end with the Dark Phoenix foreshadowing had me really excited
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Anyone want to investigate the Nottingham production? I too was under the belief that it was Scott who was totally game for Nottingham.
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When I'd heard about Nottingham, it was similar to what they describe above, except the twist was that the Sheriff and Robin were both the same person. I believe the idea was scrapped when they couldn't quit make that notion work, but I'm not 100% sure.

As for the proposed Godfather 3 idea, it does sound great... if they'd made it within 5 years of the sequel. By 1990, I think that ship had sailed, returned and been decommissioned.
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The Godfather III certainly didn't get released to a "chorus of boos". It was a Best Picture nominee, for crying out loud.
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So was Ghost...
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I'll add Waterworld. I find it fun, but with some tweaks I think it would have been better, namely a villain not played by Dennis Hopper.

Also, IIRC, that movie had a behind the scenes story as well.
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I don't see how Drew Barrymore would have been an improvement over Kim Basinger for Cool World. Remember that it was Barrymore that insisted they didn't carry guns in Charlie's Angels.

Although, I suppose that at that time she didn't yet have the clout to influence how the movie was made.
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Interesting... all of those certainly sound better than what we got but it still might not have turned out that way.
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Alien 3 was the biggest disappointment and yet, looking back, it's a very well made film despite the studio interference. But yeah, Aliens infesting Earth is a much more logical and thrilling climax to the saga, than what we got. I think it mostly had to do with budget concerns. Sigourney Weaver wasn't even going to be in ALIENS because she wanted more money or something. So James Cameron started a rumor that he was going to replace her with Arnold Schwarzenegger, so Weaver's agent told them that she wanted back in again. So her salary alone was lots of the budget, and if the studio balked at production costs of a colony full of aliens, how would they manage a planet full of them?

Cool World was enjoyable, but Holly's animated appearance actually resembled Drew Barrymore. Sin City meets Roger Rabbit sounds alot better though.
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Here's what Wikipedia has to say about Nottingham:

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Scott's dissatisfaction with the script led him to delay filming, and during 2008 it was rewritten into a story about Robin Hood becoming an outlaw, with the position of sheriff as part of the story. Scott dropped the latter notion and Nottingham was retitled to reflect the more traditional angle.

In June, screenwriter Brian Helgeland was hired to rewrite the script by Reiff and Voris.[17] Producer Marc Shmuger explained Scott had a different interpretation of the story from "the script, [which] had the sheriff of Nottingham as a CSI-style forensics investigator".[15] Scott elaborated the script, portraying the Sheriff of Nottingham as being Richard the Lionheart's right-hand man, who returns to England to serve Prince John after Richard's assassination. Though Scott felt John "was actually pretty smart, he got a bad rap because he introduced taxation so he's the bad guy in this", and the Sheriff would have been torn between the "two wrongs" of a corrupt king and an outlaw inciting anarchy.[18] Locations were sought in North East England including Alnwick Castle, Bamburgh Castle, and Kielder Forest. A portion of filming was intended to take place in Northumberland. As a result of the WGA strike, production was put on hold.[19] Scott sought to begin production in 2008 for a release in 2009.[20]

Filming was scheduled to begin in August in Sherwood Forest if the 2008 Screen Actors Guild strike did not take place,[21] for release on November 26, 2009. By July, filming was delayed,[22] and playwright Paul Webb was hired to rewrite the script.[15] The film was moved to 2010.[23] The Sheriff of Nottingham's character was then merged with Robin.[24] Scott explained Robin "has to retire to the forest to resume his name Robin. So he was momentarily the Sheriff of Nottingham."[25] Hedgeland returned to rewrite, adding an opening where Robin witnesses the Sheriff dying in battle, and takes over his identity.[26] Scott chose to begin filming in February 2009 in forests around London, having discovered many trees which had not been pollarded.[16] Scott was also pleased that the 200-acre (0.81 km2) Nottinghamshire set that was built during 2008 had aged into the landscape.[27] By February 2009, Scott revealed Nottingham had become his version of Robin Hood, as he had become dissatisfied with the idea of Robin starting as the Sheriff.[28]
The bit in the third parragraph is where/how I think the rumour of Crowe in both roles (as Robin and the Sheriff) originated.
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I doubt Scott wanted to eliminate the CSI or Dual Role aspects, at least willingly. I bet it was more of a budget issue where Universal told him it's either a 100 million dollar experiment or a 200 million dollar traditional take.
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Would Godfalther fans really object to a remake of "The Godfather, Part III?" Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Duvall, and Al Pacino are still alive! FFC, make the film you envisioned: The Death of Michael Corleone - it isn't too late! Do it, do it, do it!! Then we can forget about the one put out in 1990, and we'll just watch this new one from now on! We promise!!
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Would Godfalther fans really object to a remake of "The Godfather, Part III?" Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Duvall, and Al Pacino are still alive! FFC, make the film you envisioned: The Death of Michael Corleone - it isn't too late! Do it, do it, do it!! Then we can forget about the one put out in 1990, and we'll just watch this new one from now on! We promise!!
a really bad idea. We have two perfect films, which was more than anyone could have asked for.
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So was Ghost...
Also not released to a chorus of boos.
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