Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
06-14-12, 01:06 PM
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06-14-12, 01:07 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
Sarcasm? The only time a darker Spider-Man has ever really worked was in the storyarc Kraven's Last Hunt. When they tried to darken him up like Batman in the 1990s, that was just a steaming pile of feces.
This movie won't exactly be targeting 8-12 year olds if the rumors are true that
This movie won't exactly be targeting 8-12 year olds if the rumors are true that
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06-14-12, 01:15 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
kgrogers1979, your knowledge of comic books is encyclopedic and nuanced. I appreciate that.
With that said, your arguments about how a film should be would be more compelling if you didn't keep referring to how things worked in the comics. Different media, different strengths and weaknesses. Something that may not have worked in the comics might be tailor-made for film and vice versa. "Spider-man only did that in issue #whatever and it sucked then" is not a point, it's a distraction.
Does it help to be knowledgeable of the comics? Sure, but by no means should it be a requirement, and should never be a limit to enjoying the film.
With that said, your arguments about how a film should be would be more compelling if you didn't keep referring to how things worked in the comics. Different media, different strengths and weaknesses. Something that may not have worked in the comics might be tailor-made for film and vice versa. "Spider-man only did that in issue #whatever and it sucked then" is not a point, it's a distraction.
Does it help to be knowledgeable of the comics? Sure, but by no means should it be a requirement, and should never be a limit to enjoying the film.
Sorry, I just thought he was being sarcastic about wanting a darker movie because back when they first started showing footage of the movie the most common complaint was that it was too dark with all the night time scenes and police constantly chasing Spidey.
And now that they are showing lighter scenes, people are complaining that its a kid's movie.
06-14-12, 01:26 PM
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06-14-12, 01:31 PM
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06-14-12, 01:47 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
I"m not sure where you're getting a kids movie out of all this. What I'm getting is mostly....mainstream big budget simple in some of those scenes.
06-14-12, 02:11 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
"woo-hoo" "yee-haw"... same thing
First thing I thought of when I heard that was a young Anakin in the pod. I'm not trying to slam the movie because clearly I haven't seen it. Just giving my impressions of the trailers.
First thing I thought of when I heard that was a young Anakin in the pod. I'm not trying to slam the movie because clearly I haven't seen it. Just giving my impressions of the trailers.
06-14-12, 03:11 PM
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seriously? so if you were swinging on a bridge, by webbing you created yourself, you'd be perfectly stoic? Not let out a "Wheeeeee!" or "woo-hoo!"?
nitpicking at its finest.
nitpicking at its finest.
06-14-12, 03:50 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
I love the scene in The Dark Knight when Batman jumps off the building in China, as he's gliding down he lets out a "WOO-HOO" before smashing through the window to grab Lau.
06-14-12, 03:52 PM
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Yep, Valid Comparison.
06-14-12, 03:55 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
This all comes down to the type of characters they are, though. Spider-Man has a bit of fun being Spider-Man. Batman is much more mission-driven.
06-14-12, 04:05 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
Fun is fine. Taking dialogue cues from George Lucas is not.
06-14-12, 04:13 PM
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Okay, if you want to get realistic about what somebody would do if they really had those superpowers, I still think it seems childish. Like somebody mentioned earlier, a resounding "WOO-HOO" is reminiscent of a much younger child around 10 years old. Jake Lloyd has this exact line during the pod race and it was still fucking cheesy. A 17-year-old guy is more likely to say something like "HELL YEAH" than woo-hoo. I mean honestly, when is the last time you heard a post-pubescent male say woo-hoo?
06-14-12, 04:16 PM
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Okay, if you want to get realistic about what somebody would do if they really had those superpowers, I still think it seems childish. Like somebody mentioned earlier, a resounding "WOO-HOO" is reminiscent of a much younger child around 10 years old. Jake Lloyd has this exact line during the pod race and it was still fucking cheesy. A 17-year-old guy is more likely to say something like "HELL YEAH" than woo-hoo. I mean honestly, when is the last time you heard a post-pubescent male say woo-hoo?
06-14-12, 04:17 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
Like I said, a fun-loving spirit is fine, I just don't want to see them verge into cheeseball territory. There's a very fine line and while some aspects of this film look good, the majority of what I've seen is mediocre. The editing in the basketball scene was really pathetic for a major motion picture.
06-14-12, 05:46 PM
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Not to mention that the Batman in TDK isn't a newbie like Spider-man in this movie. I bet the very first time Batman ever did something like that he let out a WHOO HOO.
The people complaining about this are probably the type of people that sit like a rock on a rollercoaster instead of raising their arms and shouting. That is if they even go on rollercoasters since they probably think rollercoasters are too childish for them.
06-14-12, 06:09 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
"Fuck Yeah!!" or "God Damn!"
06-14-12, 07:36 PM
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The bigger question remains why do we have to sit through him discovering his powers again? If they don't start the movie in a lab when a spider is about to bite him, they've already failed. No one needs this origin AGAIN.
06-14-12, 08:34 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
Trailers show him in the lab. Then there's a scene w/ Conners and Gwen w/ the class. So I'm assuming he diverges away and bam...spider bite etc.
06-14-12, 09:09 PM
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Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
Oh, I'm guessing maybe we'll see Spider-Man for the first time around the half-hour mark. Gotta get through his family stuff, school scenes, intros of all characters, conspiracy groundwork, get him to the lab, designing web shooters, designing costume, maybe the wrestling fight again...cue soaring music at half-hour point.
06-14-12, 09:40 PM
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You'll get no argument from me about rehashing the origin story. Totally unnecessary. They could have just replaced the cast and made #4. Or reboot with maybe 5 minutes (10 at most) recapping the origin and go from there.