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Old 05-07-12, 12:45 AM   #4276
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I actually thought it was effective. Not as good as the one's for TDK but it doesn't necessarily have to hit a home run, relying on TDK's success to do most of the talking. Whether or not the movie is good, you never know, but as a Batman fan, Nolan hasn't disappointed and from all accounts, this looks like it will be a good, if not great, conclusion.
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Old 05-07-12, 04:23 AM   #4277
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The trailer didn't impress me. We'll see how the movie turns out, but the trailer made the movie look distinctly mediocre. Trailers usually make films appear to be better than they really are. Maybe this time the movie is better than the trailer, who knows?

We'll find out soon...
Nolan's trailers are always like that, because his movies are so good, a trailer can't do it justice. You know a movie is bad when you can watch the trailer and pretty much get the jist of a movie.
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Old 05-07-12, 06:07 AM   #4278
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Or they just were shitty trailers for good films.
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Old 05-07-12, 08:44 AM   #4279
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Nolan's trailers are always like that, because his movies are so good, a trailer can't do it justice.
Well, I don't know about that.

Inception was OK, but not great. TDK was good, but had some serious lapses in logic (for a movie that was supposed to be realistic there were some pretty unrealistic and unlikely - near impossible - things going on). TDK could have been better.

I'm not a huge Nolan fan. He's a talented guy, but not the second coming or anything. I don't think I flat out loved any of this movies other than possibly Batman Begins.
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Old 05-07-12, 08:56 AM   #4280
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Well, I don't know about that.

Inception was OK, but not great. TDK was good, but had some serious lapses in logic (for a movie that was supposed to be realistic there were some pretty unrealistic and unlikely - near impossible - things going on). TDK could have been better.

I'm not a huge Nolan fan. He's a talented guy, but not the second coming or anything. I don't think I flat out loved any of this movies other than possibly Batman Begins.
Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up that you won't like TDKR. You don't like Nolan fine but don't thread crap for the rest of us who do enjoy his work and are looking forward to TDKR because you aren't a fan. The trailer was fine without giving away too much. You can see the basis of the story. Bane comes into Gotham, wreaks chaos, beats and takes Batman out of commission and JGL's character and Catwoman try to get some sense of where he is and how to get him back. You aren't going to get much out of barely over two minute trailer. I don't know why people get so up or down over a trailer. I felt I had Inception all figured out after seeing each trailer but was completely fooled when I actually saw the movie and how much I really enjoyed that movie once I saw it as a whole.
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Old 05-07-12, 09:22 AM   #4281
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Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up that you won't like TDKR. You don't like Nolan fine but don't thread crap for the rest of us who do enjoy his work and are looking forward to TDKR because you aren't a fan. The trailer was fine without giving away too much. You can see the basis of the story. Bane comes into Gotham, wreaks chaos, beats and takes Batman out of commission and JGL's character and Catwoman try to get some sense of where he is and how to get him back. You aren't going to get much out of barely over two minute trailer. I don't know why people get so up or down over a trailer. I felt I had Inception all figured out after seeing each trailer but was completely fooled when I actually saw the movie and how much I really enjoyed that movie once I saw it as a whole.
So only people who liked the trailer can weigh in with an opinion?

If you aren't going to get much out of a two-minute trailer, doesn't that go both ways? Plenty of people in here are loving what they've seen in these brief moments and think TDKR will dominate the box office. There are others (myself included) who just aren't as impressed.
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Old 05-07-12, 09:37 AM   #4282
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So only people who liked the trailer can weigh in with an opinion?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. I guess you didn't read where I said

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I don't know why people get so up or down over a trailer.
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If you aren't going to get much out of a two-minute trailer, doesn't that go both ways? Plenty of people in here are loving what they've seen in these brief moments and think TDKR will dominate the box office. There are others (myself included) who just aren't as impressed.
Plenty of people did love it but they didn't go overboard with it from what I have seen. And if they did then they are just as bad. But there continues to be people like you hammering the point that you weren't impressed with the trailer as if that should be some defining moment for this movie. Like you had some huge expectation before the trailer came out. The thing is a little over two minutes of giving you a tiny bit of info about the movie. What were you expecting to give away the entire movie. I loved the trailer but that's all it is: a trailer. As for people saying TDKR will dominate the box office what exactly is wrong with saying that? It's not like they are saying something outrageous.
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Old 05-07-12, 12:15 PM   #4283
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion. I guess you didn't read where I said
I did read this:

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You don't like Nolan fine but don't thread crap for the rest of us who do enjoy his work and are looking forward to TDKR because you aren't a fan. The trailer was fine without giving away too much.
All I'm saying is that not everyone agrees that the trailer was "fine". I thought it was a little boring, actually.

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As for people saying TDKR will dominate the box office what exactly is wrong with saying that? It's not like they are saying something outrageous.
What's wrong with saying it won't? At least not at TDK levels, which is a real possibility. How often is part 3 of a trilogy the best entry?
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Old 05-07-12, 12:20 PM   #4284
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Plenty of people did love it but they didn't go overboard with it from what I have seen. And if they did then they are just as bad. But there continues to be people like you hammering the point that you weren't impressed with the trailer as if that should be some defining moment for this movie. Like you had some huge expectation before the trailer came out. The thing is a little over two minutes of giving you a tiny bit of info about the movie. What were you expecting to give away the entire movie. I loved the trailer but that's all it is: a trailer. As for people saying TDKR will dominate the box office what exactly is wrong with saying that? It's not like they are saying something outrageous.
The response to this seems to be the same every time: "Nolan fanboys" because it's a cheap shot that requires no effort whatsoever. Guaranteed that will be how at least a couple of people respond to what you've said. It's funny how with certain subjects you have to either love it totally and be a "fanboy" or hate it outright. No middle ground. I don't even know if I've seen all of his films. I'd have to check his list on IMDB or something to know.

I've seen what, maybe 6 or 7 minutes of this film through these trailers and a bootleg of that Prologue and I have no idea at all as to what this film will ultimately be, and I consider that to be a good thing. It preserves the surprise, it preserves the story for being revealed in a theater as it should be. For that I consider these to be very good trailers in addition to the level of anxiety they generate because they look so bleak.

It's not remotely outrageous to say the film will dominate the box office. It's following one of the biggest movies out there and closing out a trilogy so it's not saying much of anything to make the assumption but personally, I don't I care. I don't make the movies, so why should I care about how much they make and for that matter why does anyone who doesn't have some personal financial stake care anyway? Pure popularity contest? That is something I've wondered about for the longest time. Threads after threads on many forums dedicated to box office but really, does that decide whether or not the individual viewer sees it? I certainly hope not.
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Old 05-07-12, 04:18 PM   #4285
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Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up that you won't like TDKR. You don't like Nolan fine but don't thread crap for the rest of us who do enjoy his work and are looking forward to TDKR because you aren't a fan. The trailer was fine without giving away too much. You can see the basis of the story. Bane comes into Gotham, wreaks chaos, beats and takes Batman out of commission and JGL's character and Catwoman try to get some sense of where he is and how to get him back. You aren't going to get much out of barely over two minute trailer. I don't know why people get so up or down over a trailer. I felt I had Inception all figured out after seeing each trailer but was completely fooled when I actually saw the movie and how much I really enjoyed that movie once I saw it as a whole.
Oh, I didn't LOVE TDK or Inception, so I MUST be threadcrapping.

Come on. I said that I thought Inception was OK, and that TDK was good but flawed and somehow that's a threadcrap? Really?

I honestly thought that the trailer for TDKR was pretty lackluster and didn't make the movie look all that good. A lot of people agree with me. If you don't then that's just too damned bad for you.

I'm sure TDKR will at least be a decent movie, and could be really good. The trailer doesn't make it look like anything other than just a fair movie, though. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Old 05-07-12, 04:48 PM   #4286
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I really liked the new trailer quite a bit. I have actually enjoyed all of the trailers so far. Personally, I was underwhelmed with the trailers for Batman Begins way back when, but I enjoy the Hell out of that movie. And considering my appreciation for Nolan's filmography as a whole and the fact that I've been a Batman fan for the last 21 years, I would pretty much have to be dead to not see this opening night.
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Old 05-07-12, 06:04 PM   #4287
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Saw the new trailer before The Avengers last Thursday. I thought it was a bit unfocused, more like scenes cut at random than a trailer put together to give you a sense of the plot or even the mood of the film. But that might have just been me, as I was distracted by the football stadium scene (seems like a step backwards to the silliness of the dehydration monorail after the realism of the second film) and by how damn stupid Bane's muzzle was. The Nolanverse did a great job redesigning the Joker and the Scarecrow, but for Bane that managed to come up with something that actually looks sillier than a luchador mask.

For the record, I thought Batman Begins was just okay and The Dark Knight was excellent. I haven't seen Inception.
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Old 05-07-12, 06:07 PM   #4288
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...really? I think the mask is better than what we had in B&R.
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Old 05-07-12, 06:16 PM   #4289
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Nothing is sillier than a luchador mask. Though Nolan's Bane mask looks too much like a facehugger. Every time I see it I wonder if an Alien is about to pop out of Bane's stomach.

Then we could have an epic Batman vs Alien crossover.

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Old 05-07-12, 07:03 PM   #4290
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I'm sure TDKR will at least be a decent movie, and could be really good. The trailer doesn't make it look like anything other than just a fair movie, though. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
There are those among us who thought the trailer was fine, and we will also stick to our opinions.

This talk of not knowing what the movie is about tickles me. I think it's been made pretty clear: Gotham still believes in Harvey Dent as a hero. Batman is hated. The city experiences a period of calm, which lulls the people into thinking all is well. Bane comes in and creates chaos. Batman faces Bane, and finds himself recovering from Bane's attack. John Blake and Catwoman are looking for Batman, as they realize he's the only one who can save Gotham. Batman finds strength and rises to battle Bane once again. The basic structure has been revealed and now it's up to the audience to decide if they want to see the rest of the story.

If someone doesn't like Nolan's work, that's fine. That's a honest opinion to have. But for some, it's clearly some badge of anti-fanboy honor. By disliking something that's popular, it makes them hip. Keep being hip like that and you're likely to break one.
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Old 05-07-12, 07:17 PM   #4291
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This talk of not knowing what the movie is about tickles me.


If someone doesn't like Nolan's work, that's fine. That's a honest opinion to have. But for some, it's clearly some badge of anti-fanboy honor. By disliking something that's popular, it makes them hip. Keep being hip like that and you're likely to break one.
It may seem like it's obvious what the story is but look at the differences between Selina Kyle in the first trailer, and Catwoman in the second trailer. Both are a misdirection because Kyle seemed to come off as a villain, while Catwoman an ally. Elements like that are why I think it's hard to have a sense of what it's all about, which I see as nothing but a good thing. I'm glad it's a teaser and two trailers of disconnected information and not a basic plot summary. Keeps us asking questions.

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Old 05-07-12, 08:07 PM   #4292
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Nothing is sillier than a luchador mask. Though Nolan's Bane mask looks too much like a facehugger. Every time I see it I wonder if an Alien is about to pop out of Bane's stomach.

Then we could have an epic Batman vs Alien crossover.

I brought this up a while ago:

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Old 05-07-12, 08:47 PM   #4293
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FWIW, none of the trailers for TDK really rocked my world. The movie on the other hand...
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Unpossible! You just have to know how to rock it.


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Old 05-08-12, 08:55 AM   #4295
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Old 05-08-12, 09:31 AM   #4296
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All I'm saying is that not everyone agrees that the trailer was "fine". I thought it was a little boring, actually.



What's wrong with saying it won't? At least not at TDK levels, which is a real possibility. How often is part 3 of a trilogy the best entry?
How often has part 3 involved the same creative team with little studio interference and been released so close together?

X3 was a wreck because of the director; Spider-Man 3 had too much studio interference; Godfather 3 came so long after the originals; and the original Star Wars trilogy had a different director for each film.

TDKR is a different beast from other "part 3" films in that so much has remained constant from the beginning; I don't think a little optimism that it will be really good is uncalled for.
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How often has part 3 involved the same creative team with little studio interference and been released so close together?
Transformers: Dark of the Moon

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Actually, Ratner wasn't X3's problem. He simply inherited a production rife with studio interference that had its original director bail on it (under the excuse that he missed his family). Ratner was a hired gun at best.
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How often has part 3 involved the same creative team with little studio interference and been released so close together?
The best example I can think of is The Return of the King, which was a cinematic triumph.
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True, but all three sucked.
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