Cuts to original NC-17 release of "The Libertine" for wide R?
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Cuts to original NC-17 release of "The Libertine" for wide R?
I saw an ad in the paper today for an R-rated cut of "The Libertine". I know it played in LA in December with an NC-17 rating. Does anybody know what was cut for the re-release?
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You can never have too much graphic sexuality and nudity, especially with regards to Johnny Depp.
Seriously though, I'm going to see this movie in about two hours. Has anyone else seen it?
Seriously though, I'm going to see this movie in about two hours. Has anyone else seen it?
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I'm actually quite psyched about this, even though reviews have been mixed. I did a production of the original play a few years ago and it's an amazingly dark, well-written piece.
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Originally Posted by mllefoo
You can never have too much graphic sexuality and nudity, especially with regards to Johnny Depp.
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Okay, this time I'm wrong. The nudity and sex were more than a little offputting. The movie has seriously weirded me out. Johnny did a fantastic job and was really stretched as an actor, and the film itself was well executed. Mostly. But overall the film made me cringe. A lot.
Not sure if I liked it. I don't hate it. All I can say is "Wow" at Johnny's performance. I mean, he's a great actor, but most of the time I sit there and say "Yep, that's Johnny" but it almost didn't seem like him through most of this film. Very odd.
Not sure if I liked it. I don't hate it. All I can say is "Wow" at Johnny's performance. I mean, he's a great actor, but most of the time I sit there and say "Yep, that's Johnny" but it almost didn't seem like him through most of this film. Very odd.
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I never heard that this film received or was released with a NC-17 rating.
I am surprised that the Weinstein Co. actually released this after savage negative reviews from last year.
I am surprised that the Weinstein Co. actually released this after savage negative reviews from last year.
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The film got the savage reviews. For the most part, the actors did not.
Frankly, I don't ever want to see the movie again. I'm not even sure I'm glad to have seen it. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't pay for the tickets. I won tickets at Safeway. Or something.
Frankly, I don't ever want to see the movie again. I'm not even sure I'm glad to have seen it. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't pay for the tickets. I won tickets at Safeway. Or something.
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Originally Posted by Giles
I never heard that this film received or was released with a NC-17 rating.
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Originally Posted by mllefoo
It just tells you how bad the thing was when nobody even noticed it.
Oy.
Oy.
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Originally Posted by Giles
but I even get Time Out New York and the ads for this I never saw a NC-17 rating.
I know an NC-17 cut played LA at the end of December. It's natural to assume that it plaed NY also, but if you get Time Out New York and never noticed it than maybe it didn't. Did you see any ads for it playing in NY in December at all?
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Originally Posted by Peep
I never said it played New York as NC-17.
I know an NC-17 cut played LA at the end of December. It's natural to assume that it plaed NY also, but if you get Time Out New York and never noticed it than maybe it didn't. Did you see any ads for it playing in NY in December at all?
I know an NC-17 cut played LA at the end of December. It's natural to assume that it plaed NY also, but if you get Time Out New York and never noticed it than maybe it didn't. Did you see any ads for it playing in NY in December at all?
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but even if the film was officially released with a NC-17, the MPAA's database should and would have denoted this, yet it isn't:
Title: Libertine, The (2005)
Rating: R
Rating Reason: Rated R for strong sexuality including dialogue, violence and language.
Distributor: Weinstein Company, LLC, The
Alternate Titles: Liberty, The
Title: Libertine, The (2005)
Rating: R
Rating Reason: Rated R for strong sexuality including dialogue, violence and language.
Distributor: Weinstein Company, LLC, The
Alternate Titles: Liberty, The
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now back up - what's the running time of this film.
the BBFC states it
When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 114m 3s.
yet IMDB states the US running time is 130 minutes
Runtime: 114 min / USA:130 min
now I'm really confused
the BBFC states it
When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 114m 3s.
yet IMDB states the US running time is 130 minutes
Runtime: 114 min / USA:130 min
now I'm really confused
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Originally Posted by Peep
If a film is released as NC-17 and then cut and resubmitted for an R, would the MPAA have two listings for it or just the latest (R)?
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Did you see my post about the Regal in Battery Park listing an NC-17 version on their website? Are you able to confirm or refute that in local newspaper listings?
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Originally Posted by Peep
The theatre listings are ALL inconsistent: in both running time and rating: 114min with R-rating, the 130min version including and not including an R-rating (in some cases, an unofficial MPAA NC-17 rating or even a NR: no rating)
Even Ebert's online review states it has no rating (the 114min cut)
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...603090303/1023
Rotten Tomatoes listing has the 114min version carrying the R-rating.
Update:
This movie did get threatened with a NC-17 rating, but never officially accepted it. The Weinstein's did comply and cut the film since it's in the MPAA database, but as to which version which theatre got, you've got me...
Last edited by Giles; 03-21-06 at 03:10 PM.
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Originally Posted by Peep
Did you see my post about the Regal in Battery Park listing an NC-17 version on their website? Are you able to confirm or refute that in local newspaper listings?
#22
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here's a little more on the subject
Weinstein will release Libertine unrated
yet it does nothing to explain why there appears to be two cuts of the film floating around. It's quite possible that the theatres that are showing the film are incorrectly posting a wrong running time.
Weinstein will release Libertine unrated
yet it does nothing to explain why there appears to be two cuts of the film floating around. It's quite possible that the theatres that are showing the film are incorrectly posting a wrong running time.
Last edited by Giles; 03-21-06 at 03:01 PM.
#23
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Hmm. That all makes sense. I'm certain that the ads that I saw (in LA) said NC-17, but maybe the theatre placing the ad screwed up and meant unrated. Or maybe the add was signed off on before the Weinstein's turned down the NC-17.
Thanks for tracking that down.
Thanks for tracking that down.
#24
Michael Medved reviewed the film and he said the movie did get an MPAA R rating, probably based on the shorter 114-minute version. While he said the movie was quite unpleasant to watch he did say that Johnny Depp did have a very fine acting performance in that film.
I wouldn't be surprised that when Libertine arrives on DVD (probably by July 2006 timeframe) we'll see the uncut 130-minute version.
I wouldn't be surprised that when Libertine arrives on DVD (probably by July 2006 timeframe) we'll see the uncut 130-minute version.
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Originally Posted by RayChuang
Michael Medved reviewed the film and he said the movie did get an MPAA R rating, probably based on the shorter 114-minute version.
Who else has seen this? Is there really a 130 minute version floating around?