Continuity problems with sequels...
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Continuity problems with sequels...
Aside from the James Bond series, do you know of any sequels that totally broke the continuity of its predecessor(s)?
When I was a kid, I was completely confused by the opening of SUPERMAN II. Non killing a guard and General Zod breaking a crystal to reveal the council before their exile to the Phantom Zone totally didn't match what happened in SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE.
This frustrated me until I read about the Donner firing and Brando's lost scenes on the internet many years later.
Another sequel continuity problem happens in STAR TREK: GENERATIONS.
Can you think of anymore continuity errors with sequels?
When I was a kid, I was completely confused by the opening of SUPERMAN II. Non killing a guard and General Zod breaking a crystal to reveal the council before their exile to the Phantom Zone totally didn't match what happened in SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE.
This frustrated me until I read about the Donner firing and Brando's lost scenes on the internet many years later.
Another sequel continuity problem happens in STAR TREK: GENERATIONS.
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Can you think of anymore continuity errors with sequels?
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If this is suppose to be the next day, then how come Mickey and Tim who got the shit beat out of them the day before (in Porky's) no longer even have a scratch. I remember one of them (the cops brother) even being on crutches.
If this is suppose to be the next day, then how come Mickey and Tim who got the shit beat out of them the day before (in Porky's) no longer even have a scratch. I remember one of them (the cops brother) even being on crutches.
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Evil Dead 2 opens up with a recap of the events in the first film that don't actually match up with what happens in the first one.
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Highlander is the obvious answer. There shouldn't have been any sequels.
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Evil Dead 2 opens up with a recap of the events in the first film that don't actually match up with what happens in the first one.
Look at it this way: the only elements incorporated into the recap of the previous film in "Evil Dead 2" are the events necessary to the plot. The characters of Scotty, Cheryl and Shelly never appear in "Evil Dead 2" so they were left out of the recap. Ash and Linda to recur into the second night at the cabin so the recap only covers them.
Anyways, one sequel continuity error that bugged me as a kid was in "Home Alone 2" when they constantly refer to it as occurring the year after the first film while Kevin's stated age is two years older than the previous film.
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
They do actually match up with the events of the first film in a condensed and simplified "Cliff's Notes" kinda way.
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Army of Darkness also has a few continuity errors with the previous films.
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Even if you ignore the dissappearance of Scotty, Cheryl and Shelly, there are still continuity problems. For example, Ash goes to the broken bridge a second time in the movie (did he forget it was broken?). Also, Ash burns the Necronomicon at the end of the first movie, yet it's intact in the 2nd.
First of all, the Book of the Dead is only intact within the recap itself. The whole idea of Annie and Ed having to bring additional pages of the book to the cabin apparently went over your head.
Secondly, Ash's return to the bridge is somewhat reasonable considering that his first attempt was at night when it was dark. I'm pretty sure somebody who was trying to flee an evil force that killed his 4 friends would probably try to utilize the daylight to survey the damage and/or try to find another way to cross.
You can literally edit one long "Evil Dead" movie by removing the "Evil Dead 2" recap and beginning it immediately as the first film ends. You can do it with "Army of Darkness" too but you have to lose the "Evil Dead 2" ending too but that's because there is no reconciling the end of "Evil Dead 2" with the beginning of "Army of Darkness".
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If the people making these movies don't think this is important, why do you?
I can't think of anything sadder than a guy compiling the inconsistencies within the Freddy Krueger mythology.
I can't think of anything sadder than a guy compiling the inconsistencies within the Freddy Krueger mythology.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
No, they don't.
Army of Darkness also has a few continuity errors with the previous films.
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Army of Darkness also has a few continuity errors with the previous films.
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According to Star Wars fans, there are NO continuity problems between all the sequels and prequels. NONE. Also, Lucas had everything planned word-for-word from the beginning. No "making it up as we go along" here!
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Lethal Weapon was set in 1984 according to the grave of Riggs' wife. Murtaugh has just turned 50.
In Legal Wreckin 2, Vorstedt tells Riggs he was responsible for his wife's death 4 years earlier, yet Murtaugh discusses retiring when he turns 52.
The Rocky series has had similar issues. Mickey mentions being 76 in the first film, yet his grave shows that he died at age 76 in Rocky III despite the movie being set 6 years later. And let's not get into Rocky Jr. aging about 5 years in a matter of months between the 4th and 5th films.
In Legal Wreckin 2, Vorstedt tells Riggs he was responsible for his wife's death 4 years earlier, yet Murtaugh discusses retiring when he turns 52.
The Rocky series has had similar issues. Mickey mentions being 76 in the first film, yet his grave shows that he died at age 76 in Rocky III despite the movie being set 6 years later. And let's not get into Rocky Jr. aging about 5 years in a matter of months between the 4th and 5th films.
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Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
If the people making these movies don't think this is important, why do you?
Something I've always wondered-- all movies have a "continuity person" whose job is to make sure the actor's clothing, hairstyles, props, etc. match from scene to scene (since most movies are filmed out of order). So why don't they have someone on staff to look over the script before filming to make sure it doesn't contain any obvious story flaws?
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According to Star Wars fans, there are NO continuity problems between all the sequels and prequels. NONE. Also, Lucas had everything planned word-for-word from the beginning. No "making it up as we go along" here!
Yeah, you and I both know that's a bunch of baloney.
I'm sure he wanted Luke and Leia to incestiously kiss all along.
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If it involves time travel, it's certainly wide open for problems.
The Terminator series is a good example. T3 shouldn't have come after T2. According to the movie.
Of course, in T2, once they destroy the arm and the chip, Arnold should have evaporated or the universe should have imploded because his existence should have ended once the stuff that informed his creation (the arm and the leg).
Then again, time travel isn't real.
I feel as if somehow there's got to be a problem in the Jurassic Park series
The Terminator series is a good example. T3 shouldn't have come after T2. According to the movie.
Of course, in T2, once they destroy the arm and the chip, Arnold should have evaporated or the universe should have imploded because his existence should have ended once the stuff that informed his creation (the arm and the leg).
Then again, time travel isn't real.
I feel as if somehow there's got to be a problem in the Jurassic Park series
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Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
If the people making these movies don't think this is important, why do you?
I can't think of anything sadder than a guy compiling the inconsistencies within the Freddy Krueger mythology.
I can't think of anything sadder than a guy compiling the inconsistencies within the Freddy Krueger mythology.
The people making these movies give more consideration to how easy it is to film, how to quickly recap events from the first movie for those who have forgotten without boring those who haven't forgotten, plus some outright don't care.
That some people pay attention to these things isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Some folks just pick up details. If their job needs them to do that (say medicine, nuclear reactor operator), then sometimes it's hard for them to turn it off.
There are also cases where the filmmakers make a concious decision to ignore previous events, such as in the case of Scotty being in Star Trek Generations. The producers and writers had Doohan available, but knew about the line in Relics. They made the concious decision to include Scotty because he's such a fan favorite. If you want an explanation, I think most fans agree that Scotty actually got a little scrambled from sitting in the transporter buffer for so long, even with the diagnostic loop going, and his first instinct was to think it was Kirk that saved him. Later in the ep, when he's really depressed in the holodeck, it seems a little melodramatic for just feeling "useless", so he's probably been reminded of Kirk's death at that point, and is just feeling overall crappy.
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If it involves time travel, it's certainly wide open for problems.
The Terminator series is a good example. T3 shouldn't have come after T2. According to the movie.
Of course, in T2, once they destroy the arm and the chip, Arnold should have evaporated or the universe should have imploded because his existence should have ended once the stuff that informed his creation (the arm and the leg).
The Terminator series is a good example. T3 shouldn't have come after T2. According to the movie.
Of course, in T2, once they destroy the arm and the chip, Arnold should have evaporated or the universe should have imploded because his existence should have ended once the stuff that informed his creation (the arm and the leg).
But anyway, I'd argue that Arnold simply vanishing after the stuff was destroyed would be far sillier and cause an ever bigger "Huh?" when it comes to discussing time travel and paradoxes.
He had to exist to help destroy the other terminators parts. If he simply vanished because of his actions then he would never be created to help destroy the parts and that lead to his vanishing.
Plus it allows for the more emotional ending we get in the movie.
I feel as if somehow there's got to be a problem in the Jurassic Park series
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Originally Posted by Groucho
According to Star Wars fans, there are NO continuity problems between all the sequels and prequels. NONE. Also, Lucas had everything planned word-for-word from the beginning. No "making it up as we go along" here!
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Originally Posted by pdinosaur
If it involves time travel, it's certainly wide open for problems.
The Terminator series is a good example. T3 shouldn't have come after T2. According to the movie.
Of course, in T2, once they destroy the arm and the chip, Arnold should have evaporated or the universe should have imploded because his existence should have ended once the stuff that informed his creation (the arm and the leg).
Then again, time travel isn't real.
I feel as if somehow there's got to be a problem in the Jurassic Park series
The Terminator series is a good example. T3 shouldn't have come after T2. According to the movie.
Of course, in T2, once they destroy the arm and the chip, Arnold should have evaporated or the universe should have imploded because his existence should have ended once the stuff that informed his creation (the arm and the leg).
Then again, time travel isn't real.
I feel as if somehow there's got to be a problem in the Jurassic Park series
That arm may have been the reason why Skynet was born again.
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
It's obvious you haven't paid much attention to "Evil Dead 2".
First though, I feel this detailed a discussion of plot should be spoiler tagged, since not everyone reading this thread may have seen all, or any, of the movies in the series.
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
The answer to all this: Ash is recounting the story to someone else, and Ash is stupid.
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By "intact" I meant "not burnt to a crisp like it was at the end of the first movie." The extra pages have no bearing on the continuity issue.
The Book of the Dead appears NOWHERE in the film post-recap because it was destroyed in the first film and that is the whole reason why additional pages are brought to the cabin.
As for Ash looking like a moron when he returns to the bridge: it's not the only moment in the trilogy where he looks like a moron.