Ghost in the Shell 2 (HOLY MACKEREL!!!)
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Ghost in the Shell 2 (HOLY MACKEREL!!!)
This movie knocked my socks off!
I did do a search and found an anticipatory thread. I hope it’s alright to start one for the reaction to the flick.
The opening (or “hook”) had my jaw slack and my heart pumping by the time Kawai’s music hit for the credits.
I’ve still got a tingling scalp when I think about certain scenes. You definitely get more out of it if you grokked the first one. I read reviews on the transpo' home and they panned the **** out of it. Thing was: I could tell that they’d never read the comic and they had watched the dubbed version.
The critic in particular (San Francisco Bay Area Guardian) cited The Matrix as a seminal cyber-punk movie. Huh?
Also, this guy basically stated that we were overrun with a glut of “machine is to human as human is to machine?” movies as a criticism, citing I Robot of all things.
There are a glut of all sorts of movies (revenge, romance found despite…(whatever), war, etc.) and that doesn’t mean that the subject matter being often used cancels out great structure and incredible art.
That rant out of the way: There was one part (I ain’t spoiling it) where there’s a one to two second realization gap from having seen what you’ve just seen that resonated deep in my head. It’s near the end and it will really only appeal to fans of the first movie, but I forgot where I was and shouted “Awesome!!!” when my mind coalesced what was happening. This was in a tiny theater that was filled with very courteous people. I became highly selfconscious.
The animation (while not seamless between cel and CGI) was spot on! The story will appeal to anyone who really got off on Gibson or Sterling (or Masamune Shirow: They use a subplot from the 1st comic) as the villainous method (plus instigation of plot).
Plus: Best animated dog …EVER! You can tell how much Oshii loves them. I started loving them! What a team of artists!
A googol stars. Highly recommended.
And, yeah. I’m no corporate schill. Some of you will recognize me. So this is actually my review and it is for real.
I did do a search and found an anticipatory thread. I hope it’s alright to start one for the reaction to the flick.
The opening (or “hook”) had my jaw slack and my heart pumping by the time Kawai’s music hit for the credits.
I’ve still got a tingling scalp when I think about certain scenes. You definitely get more out of it if you grokked the first one. I read reviews on the transpo' home and they panned the **** out of it. Thing was: I could tell that they’d never read the comic and they had watched the dubbed version.
The critic in particular (San Francisco Bay Area Guardian) cited The Matrix as a seminal cyber-punk movie. Huh?
Also, this guy basically stated that we were overrun with a glut of “machine is to human as human is to machine?” movies as a criticism, citing I Robot of all things.
There are a glut of all sorts of movies (revenge, romance found despite…(whatever), war, etc.) and that doesn’t mean that the subject matter being often used cancels out great structure and incredible art.
That rant out of the way: There was one part (I ain’t spoiling it) where there’s a one to two second realization gap from having seen what you’ve just seen that resonated deep in my head. It’s near the end and it will really only appeal to fans of the first movie, but I forgot where I was and shouted “Awesome!!!” when my mind coalesced what was happening. This was in a tiny theater that was filled with very courteous people. I became highly selfconscious.
The animation (while not seamless between cel and CGI) was spot on! The story will appeal to anyone who really got off on Gibson or Sterling (or Masamune Shirow: They use a subplot from the 1st comic) as the villainous method (plus instigation of plot).
Plus: Best animated dog …EVER! You can tell how much Oshii loves them. I started loving them! What a team of artists!
A googol stars. Highly recommended.
And, yeah. I’m no corporate schill. Some of you will recognize me. So this is actually my review and it is for real.
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I fully agree. Fuck the critics and their mental checklists of what an animated feature is 'supposed' to be. If this movie made them feel stupid or emotionally/philosophically challenged, GOOD! If they were bored, they probably weren't interested in what the film has to say in the first place, or were just expecting more action.
I can't wait for the DVD to experience the multitude of layers and information in the movie and experience new insights. Oshii is a master animator!
I can't wait for the DVD to experience the multitude of layers and information in the movie and experience new insights. Oshii is a master animator!
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Originally posted by Jepthah
Oshii is a master animator!
Oshii is a master animator!
IMHO …It rocks!
Talking Head was a little too autobiographical and the pace was…well, you decide.
Red Spectacles is good when you’re in the mood for discord. It's actually sweet.
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But I HATED Avalon Kudama. And it was actually that film that made me worry about GITS2 because he seemed like his philosophy was going off the deep end. But I think the balance in GITS2 between action and ideas was very right.
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Originally posted by Jepthah
I fully agree. Fuck the critics and their mental checklists of what an animated feature is 'supposed' to be. If this movie made them feel stupid or emotionally/philosophically challenged, GOOD! If they were bored, they probably weren't interested in what the film has to say in the first place, or were just expecting more action.
I fully agree. Fuck the critics and their mental checklists of what an animated feature is 'supposed' to be. If this movie made them feel stupid or emotionally/philosophically challenged, GOOD! If they were bored, they probably weren't interested in what the film has to say in the first place, or were just expecting more action.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0437/hoberman2.php
Mind you, this is J. Hoberman, uber-snob critic (and one of the best). And he said, "You can call me fanboy, but this is the best anime I've ever seen."
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Dude, it was amazing. I need to go see this again tonight.
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Originally posted by Jepthah
But I HATED Avalon Kudama. And it was actually that film that made me worry about GITS2 because he seemed like his philosophy was going off the deep end. But I think the balance in GITS2 between action and ideas was very right.
But I HATED Avalon Kudama. And it was actually that film that made me worry about GITS2 because he seemed like his philosophy was going off the deep end. But I think the balance in GITS2 between action and ideas was very right.
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Originally posted by Grimfarrow
So how about this review?
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0437/hoberman2.php
Mind you, this is J. Hoberman, uber-snob critic (and one of the best). And he said, "You can call me fanboy, but this is the best anime I've ever seen."
So how about this review?
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0437/hoberman2.php
Mind you, this is J. Hoberman, uber-snob critic (and one of the best). And he said, "You can call me fanboy, but this is the best anime I've ever seen."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/moviesto...eviews/2799318
"Portentous and pretentious, Shell 2 crawls along like a machine on low batteries."
So that's why we have opinions. But like I said, this is not the kind of film everyone can love--it's just disappointing to see so many who don't get it at all.
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I think the trailer looks great. School, however, is really keeping me busy---and I haven't even seen the original. I know some people hate this question, but is it necessary to see the first before the sequel?
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Originally posted by Corvin
I think the trailer looks great. School, however, is really keeping me busy---and I haven't even seen the original. I know some people hate this question, but is it necessary to see the first before the sequel?
I think the trailer looks great. School, however, is really keeping me busy---and I haven't even seen the original. I know some people hate this question, but is it necessary to see the first before the sequel?
I highly recommend seeing the original first. This one is another expansion of a story arc from the initial manga series. This arc was a lot less significant in the comic but what they added to it was incredible. Not to mention that it illustrated what a great seed of an idea the little segment in the comic was.
I’ve been steeping in the first one since they first let it play in state side theaters, so the effect on me of having seen the first one was probably more intense (because I’ve seen it about 50 times, in every altered and unaltered state of mind I’ve had since then) than it would be if you weren’t a raving lunatic of a fan in the first place.
But! Hellboy impressed a lot of my friends who had never even heard about it. This is probably the same situation. I still recommend renting the first one ASAP, because this is going to have a short theatrical run based on critics that are basically jocks with dictionaries.
I’ll be seeing Sky Captain once next week after work, but I will see this again at least four more times in the theater. (I might even tempt fate and risk getting a bad seat by hitting a weekend show.)
So yeah. Watch the first one first.
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I don’t think this will necessarily be a spoiler:
I spent 4 formative years in 4 square Christianity. I know about the Mayan Fifth Sun and the connotations. I have serious issues with mortality. These comics and movies do not mirror my concerns about religion, but they do on a selfish scale. I’m afraid to be checked out. Not because of the pain or the threat of our buddy Lu, but because I don’t want to miss out on the future. I want to keep seeing, hearing, doing ,tasting. Etc….
The loss of it scares me. I’m addicted to being.
This movie didn’t focus in on the loss of life, but it did in a way. If you lose your identity, “you” are dead. I was moved to buzzing tears. I want to be me forever.
Sorry Buddha.
I spent 4 formative years in 4 square Christianity. I know about the Mayan Fifth Sun and the connotations. I have serious issues with mortality. These comics and movies do not mirror my concerns about religion, but they do on a selfish scale. I’m afraid to be checked out. Not because of the pain or the threat of our buddy Lu, but because I don’t want to miss out on the future. I want to keep seeing, hearing, doing ,tasting. Etc….
The loss of it scares me. I’m addicted to being.
This movie didn’t focus in on the loss of life, but it did in a way. If you lose your identity, “you” are dead. I was moved to buzzing tears. I want to be me forever.
Sorry Buddha.
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Much grass, Kudama. I'll try to rent the original this weekend or sometime during the week. After that, I figure I have a week or two left to get to the theater.
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Originally posted by UKingdom
excellent visuals, very dialogue heavy (some may be bored), i wasn't blown away by it but it was pretty good
excellent visuals, very dialogue heavy (some may be bored), i wasn't blown away by it but it was pretty good
I have to say, I for one any not a huge fan of the current trend of mixing CG with hand-drawn elements… it just doesn’t look right a lot of the time.
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^^^ I am with you on that. HOWEVER, it works very, very well thematically with what Oshii's film is dealing with. The whole binary investigation of man/machine carries on to 2d/3d animation and other extrapolations.
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I dunno. CGI can be very beautiful, but I'd take seeing an elaborate hand-drawn image over a computer generated one any day. There's just something awe-inspiring about hand-drawn that I think is lost with CGI.
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Re: Ghost in the Shell 2 (HOLY MACKEREL!!!)
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Plus: Best animated dog …EVER! You can tell how much Oshii loves them. I started loving them! What a team of artists!
Plus: Best animated dog …EVER! You can tell how much Oshii loves them. I started loving them! What a team of artists!
Thanks for the review!!
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now I wasn't all that into the first movie, and my hopes that this sequel would be better, well,... not really. I'd have to agree with Pixyjunket statement that I felt this movie was pretentious. Add tedious and just plain baffling. This movie definately falls under visually stunning but ultimately lacking. If the scrpit was as detailed and coherent as the visuals it would have been a definate improvemet.
The best moment in the film for me wasn't even a scene that progressesd the story: the parade sequence. The seemless integration of CGI and 2D animation was truly stunning. In that single scene the animator's created depth, dimension and excitement that the rest of the film simply couldn't achieve.
The best moment in the film for me wasn't even a scene that progressesd the story: the parade sequence. The seemless integration of CGI and 2D animation was truly stunning. In that single scene the animator's created depth, dimension and excitement that the rest of the film simply couldn't achieve.
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I loved that part.
All right. These might be spoilers, but not the worst ones in the world:
I’m not out to insist that this is the coolest for everybody else because I liked it so much, but it’s nice to hear an opposing opinion that’s thought out. I’m not dissin’ anyone here, but I appreciate when people disagree with a fanatic intelligently. (I know I’m a fanatic )
All right. These might be spoilers, but not the worst ones in the world:
Spoiler:
I’m not out to insist that this is the coolest for everybody else because I liked it so much, but it’s nice to hear an opposing opinion that’s thought out. I’m not dissin’ anyone here, but I appreciate when people disagree with a fanatic intelligently. (I know I’m a fanatic )