MBoyd

I can't find it now, but I read a news article from Google that said the man was receiving phone calls from people while they watched the film.

EDIT: I found it. link here.

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/nw_co...991450,00.html

MadPervert

You don't even know what an arguement is! When you are debating/arguing a side, you would never be "Fair" to the other side. It weakens your own arguement.

Someone please argue this point!!! BUSH SAT THERE IN A CLASSROOM FOR ABOUT 7 MINUTES WHILE THE US WAS UNDER SIEGE!

Did that not happen? Was that STAGED?!?!?

mikeporter

I saw it yesterday...I loved it and give it an A+. The only other movie this year I rate an A+ is Passion of the Christ. I highly recommend Fahrenheit 9/11 to all Democrats and undecided voters!!!

If you want to watch the last scene again visit:
Fool Bush

rushmore223

I knew much of the info long before going to see this film.

Seeing the facts unfold in front of our eyes, Bush sitting in the classroom with a lost look on his face and taking no action, The money grubbers conspiring to make profits off the backs of dead soldiers and citizens, the protections the Saudi's garner from even the secret service. Seeing all this somehow makes so much more of an impact than just knowing the cold hard facts.

Not to mention the dead Iraqi civillians and the mother desperately wishing she had never encouraged her son to join the military.

It all did what it was meant to and should do, make those of us in the theaters sick to our stomachs.

There must have been 2 or 3 minutes of applause in the theater once the credits came up, deservedly so.

My wish is that this film would make more people aware and critical of the things that happen in their own country, make them take notice where they had not before, but honestly, I doubt it will.

If it mobilizes more people to vote Bush out of office than I will be happy.

OldBoy

SOMEBODY MERGE THESE GOD DAMN THREADS ALREADY!! ALL THESE 9/11'S ARE SO FREGGING ANNOYING. THERE ARE OTHER MOVIES AND LIFE OUT THERE!!!!

MadPervert

SO GO START A DIFFERENT THREAD AND GET A LIFE!


7 MINUTES!!

.. Now watch this drive

chess

My my my....the natives are getting restless.

angryyoungman

The film clearly says the flights left on September 13th, when airspace was being reopened, with needed approval from the White House.

angryyoungman

I'm repeating myself again, but the film says that some of the family members (and other Saudi nationals who were not bin Laden family members) were questioned. This is a matter of public record. The film then expresses an opinion that the questioning and investigation, despite the FBI's conclusion that no further investigation is needed, was simply not enough.

MrN

I for one am glad this thread hasn't totally devolved into a shouting match over the weekend - I'm guessing MM winning some kind of moral victory with the film being #1 has something to do with it.

Yet, its funny how the opinions are so diverse here - everything from "he showed too much" to "he's not showing enough" and "this stuff is obvious" to "he didn't show this other widely reported stuff."

MrX

I just got backed and thought it was good.

I've never been a big fan of Moore's style so I thought the first half where he is just narrating was much stronger then the second half.

The Bonanza spoof was funny though

The biggest laugh in the theater was during the trailers when they showed one for a documentary on Metallica and the guy behind me yelled out "I'll just download it".

RyoHazuki

No I wouldn't have wanted to see that. I do think however that parents sad about losing their children is implied. We know she is very sad. We didn't need two or more scenes of her breaking down into tears. It just wasnt necessary. I just found it manipulative.

lucasorion

How often have you seen footage of grieving mothers and widows, etc. in the last year? I remember seeing a widow on 60 minutes or 60 minutes II a few months back, but it seems like it has been pretty sparse. I think it is important to see the effect for real, even if we intellectually know that 850 dead soldiers means thousands of grieving loved ones.

docF94

Thanks, that's an interesting article. I figured people would start cell-phoning in right away, but I imagine he's gotten some tougher questions than the article infers.

Anyway, the article doesn't include the number, so I'm still asking for it if anyone happens to get it from the film.

As far as the Saudi flights are concerned, from all I know, Moore is telling the truth about them, but it is wrong to infer that they left the country before the 14th. They did fly on the 13th to go collect people from various airports, and Moore admittedly doesn't go into detail on when and where the planes went as they left the country. but I don't think he has to to condemn the Bush-Saudi ties. I think "Bandar-Bush." does that effectively enough.

As for the Flint woman - she was a golden find for Moore. I didn't at any point feel she was manipulative or phony, but she was crucial for Moore's emotional argument to make sense. I like More's point that there are people grieving and angry on both sides, condemning the war for destroying lives and families, recklessly and without great benefit for either country - but with great benefit for the wealthiest members of each society. I can see why RyoHazuki can feel clobbered seeing the woman sobbing in front of the White House. It is nakedly emotional, and heart-wrenching. But I disagree that we didn't need to see it. I think it has been far too easy to gloss over or glance by the tremendous cost of this war in lives. Remember, the CPA in Iraq ordered the stop of counting Iraqi casualties, probably at the behest of the American government. Loss of life cannot be overemphasized in war. I was very glad to see the focus Moore put on this family's experience - particularly because they so strongly represented America. It was a tad manipulative, yes. But it was tremendously thought-provoking, which was the point. If you've thought about this already, you are far removed from the average American, Moore's audience.

De daa wo jeeri.

lucasorion

You should go back and read my posts, I am generally probably on your "side" - I was pretty amazed watching those 7 minutes too. The administration wanted to project the image that he was an immediate tower of strength and resolve, and that footage sort of undercuts that. My point about Moore's ability to clearly and concisely present an argument is that he jumps around between different theses and issues and doesn't lay out, 1-2-3, the points leading up to an irrefutable conclusion like a good debater presenting his argument would. I think it has to do with his emotional involvement and perhaps his educational background. He presents compelling information and footage, but the ability to tie it into a presentation that gives serious food-for-thought to a broad spectrum of Americans is not there. I hope he at least has helped to shatter this mythology that Bush was and is such a strong and effective protector, this John Wayne daddy figure (was John Wayne ever a head cheerleader at an exclusive prep school?) that a lot of people apparently needed after 9/11 - we need to be safe much more than we need to feel safe.

RyoHazuki

I felt that the movie used the crying mother to get you on the anti-Bush side when the reality is that people die in every war.

Frank TJ Mackey

I thought it was refering to the fact that her child died in "this war" in Iraq, which was started under false pretenses.

Of course people die in every war, but this war did not "need" to happen.

That's the point I think the film was trying to make.

RyoHazuki

I do agree that the point the film was trying to make. However showing multiple scenes of this woman crying was, I thought, manipulative. I wouldn't have minded seeing it once but it went on too long.

Abranut

I think the second scene with her at the White House was there to show her express her anger with the administration over the death of her son. IIRC she didn't start crying until that dumb bitch came up to her and told her that "Lots of people have died". WTF was that lady thinking?

rushmore223

She wasnt thinking, so many in this country have forgotten how to think for themselves.

Her remark was the height of callousness, something that has become a real problem in this country, as great a place as this is.

At least we all still have the "freedom" to see a movie like this, that speaks out so loudly against this corrupt administration.

tommyp007

just got back from seeing this in Asheville, NC and loved it. The audience was very enthused and there was a very connected feeling in the theater. Lots of laughter, some gasps, and pleanty of applause at the end.

Overall....grade A

CRM114

No offense but DUH. Thats just it. PEOPLE die. Nameless and faceless people.

CRM114

We just got back. We went to the 3rd screening of the day. The line wrapped around the block. We got there an hour early.

My biggest feeling afterwards is anger. I cannot begin to tell you how angry the film made me feel. Powell and Rice in 2001 stating that Iraq was no threat did it to me. And Bush's non-interest in Bin Ladin.

The film ran the gamut. Laughs, cries, and anger.

Frank TJ Mackey

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ent...+on+a+mission+


Michael Moore was interviewed by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, obviously in the swing state of Missouri, the day after Detroit won the NBA Championship.

above is the link to that interview

calhoun07

I am confident that Michael Moore accomplished what he set out to accomplish with this movie. I just wish he had used this forum with all the attention it got to use this movie to just show more than the government and those in power make money and often make money in questionable ways (this is so not a new revelation) and using it to evoke raw emotional responses from people. Like I said before, this movie played its audience like a piano and from the looks of it, most of you had the works of Motzart played all over you while you watched this.

Moore really failed to go into why the government wanted to get the people to fear to such an extent that they would allow the Patriot Act to be passed without any questions. Why did the government want to take away our rights? To make more money for Chaney? Hardly. But Moore doesn't really delve into this, does he? Instead we get footage of blithering mothers over the deaths of their children. And the piano music plays.

And I would not expect Moore to show us the same 9-11 footage that has been shown upteen times on the news. He should have shown the raw and uncensored images they would not broadcast, of the death and destruction and what really took place. Interviewing some random people who lost loved ones that day still made them faceless victims. Those of you who felt emotion during those blacked out moments recalled what you remembered from the media, not from what actually happened. If Moore had played the sounds of the bombing of Iraq, we would have simply recalled what images the news media wanted us to see. Instead, he showed us images the news media would not allow us to see, images that evoked strong emotional responses. If he showed us images of 9-11 the media didn't choose to show us, what emotions would have those evoked? Emotions, perhaps, of anger against those who we perceived as being responsible for the attacks? Perhaps emotions of anger against the very people Moore wants us to wind up feeling sorry for towards the end of the movie? He wants us to draw into the humanity of those on foriegn soil who would just as soon arm their own children and women to kill American soldiers while blacking out images of provoked us to defend our land in the first place.

And why did Bush continue sitting in that classroom? Why didn't he respond sooner? The question really goes unanswered, but Alex Jones knows the answer. It's an answer Michael Moore refused to touch on in his movie and an answer that would have made this movie perhaps a tad harder for a mass audience to swallow. But Michael Moore really set out to make a propeganda film to support Kerry and succeded just fine at that, and isn't that what is important here?