Groucho

ABC isn't a "public form of distribution." They aren't obligated to show every ad that is submitted to them. There are several channels out there, and Disney doesn't control them all.

Jaymole

I'm sure Moore's film will get distribution from another company and all this extra publicity will lead to more $ at the box office for it

MrN

And that is neither here nor there - how do you know the ad for this movie (which probably hasn't even been made yet) is offensive? The premise of this thread is that Disney finds the movie objectionable not because its offensive but that it disagrees with its politics.

As to your other points, I believe the no-drinking in beer ads is an FCC standard. The alcohol ad ban is self-observed by most networks to appease the public (MADD etc.) So, that might be a good example of 'offensive ads.'

AGuyNamedMike

How do you do the rolling eyes smiley?

Achtung

Possibly, though I wouldn't say that's "suppressing" (yes I'm quoting myself) content. If the public doesn't want it, I don't think there's any suppression going on. But I see your point.

Anyway, my point was just that you can't just say "well, its not censorship, its capitalism". It's a fine line there.

Achtung

Yep, while we all debate the merits of Disney's distribution policies, I'm sure he's loving every minute of it.

raven56706

I dont know but i hate michael moore..... He has always had an agenda...

I just find this (whether anyone likes it or not) is just to hurt Bush in time for election season.

I just think if bush said something in return he would be seen so bad.

raven56706

Politics is always stupid..... but to put the blame on total myth is ridiculous....

Moore should get a life.

Groucho

My point is that even if Miramax doesn't distribute the film, another company surely will. It's not as if they're trying to keep the public from seeing this film altogether...they just don't want to distribute it themselves.

We went through this same discussion when Mel Gibson was having problems finding a distributor for The Passion of the Christ. Not surprisingly, a few people have flip-flopped their position since then.

raven56706

When thing i dont get is why Stern says " as long as bush is in office, i will be censored"....

Excuse me but do you think Kerry wont censor as well.... give me a break.

I love his show but both parties agree on that issue

MrN

They control air-waves that are available to the general public. If that doesn't make them a public form of distribution, then they should stop doing those emergency broadcast tests.

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They aren't obligated to show every ad that is submitted to them.

To reiterate - I'm not saying its not within their rights to deny any ads. Just that it is censorship if their reason to deny ads based on political content. There was another example of this during the superbowl and CBS refusing ads from MoveOn. Again, CBS is well within their rights to do this, but was it censorship? Yes.

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There are several channels out there, and Disney doesn't control them all.

I'm not sure what your point here is - are you saying that its not censorship if its not total and/or successful?

Neeb

Riiiiight.

This is part of the marketing campaign. Moore is still taking the film to Cannes and will recieve distribution outside North America.

When public outcry hits a higher note (it will and should), Disney will "allow" Miramax to release the film in say... early October. And with the resultant controversy, every rube and metropolitian is going to be aware of it and seek it out and make a lot of money for Disney and Miramax.

Two: I thought part of the original deal Miramax had with Disney was that they could behave as they wanted to. If Weinstein allows Disney to block on of his films- then he will forever be labeled a P****y. I mean, a giant cancerous moldy p****y. And he'll never live it down no matter how many Oscars he will win in the future.

And one thing 'Down and Dirty Pictures' has taught us is that Harvey Weinstein is no p****y.

Fahrenheit 911 will be released. I suspect it's too good not to.

GeoffK

CNN is reporting that Michael Eisner is blocking the film in the US for fears of losing TAX BREAKS in Florida for Disney, a state where Jed Bush is Governor!

Fan of Moore or not... This crap is bullshit

PixyJunket

Censorship.

Oh God.

modfather

Geoff,

Did they actually say the Eisner said that? Because I find it hard to believe that Ei$ner would actually stand on a pulpit in front of reporters and say such a thing - even if he IS an imbecile. But I haven't heard the story yet, other than here. But if he did, then there's another reason he should be gone. Ei$ner has single-handedly destroyed Di$ney.

However, ultimately, it is still Di$ney's decision to not distribute a movie, for whatever reasons, right? Are we so naive that we don't believe things like this don't happen behind closed doors all the time?

To use the analogy used here, ClearChannel has the right to NOT broadcast Howard Stern, as long as they pay him what he's owed.

I'll bottom line it for everyone, in two sentences:

Michael Moore is a putz.
Michael Eisner is a turd.

JoeyOhhhh

What was supposed to be the release date on this?

majorjoe23

Bush told Moore to "Get a real job" during the 2000 elections.

raven56706

nuff said

al_bundy

this was a rumor that was circulated by moore's publicist and picked up by the NY Times. Check out Drudge. Link to a story that says that miramax never intended to distribute the film in the first place.

DVD Smurf

Where can I get an underground copy?

chanster

Yes Michael Moore's crap is bullshit. He tells his agent to start a rumor in the New York Times, then publishes that rumor as fact on his Web site, using the fact it was printed in the Times as proof.

Good god people, you talk about conservative sheep, how about Michael Moore Bullshit Sheep!

Rivero

A flavor of the month that has been around for over 15 years.

Rival11

I agree with you Necros - if you didn't type this I would have.

The sad news is that he'll prob. never die out or "get old"........for some people.

Mike Lowrey

We're discussing the movie, are we not?

I am giving you my viewpoints on the movie and its creator.

Is Michael Moore not a Socialist?

Aren't Michael Moore's viewpoints considers extremely contraversial?

Isn't Michael Moore considered anti-American by many people?

Michael Morre is a fat, unshaven slob, who uses his film-making "talent" to push his political agenda. It's people like him that are encouraging a backlash against the elitist Hollywood crowd by the American people. Many people consider a good portion of Hollywood out of touch with common and traditional American values.

Let me put it this way. The Left always cries and whines about the so-called "Right-wing Attack Machine", yet, whenever some spokesman/group of the Left gets criticized by the Right, they scream "Censorship".

Once again, this is showing the utter hypocrisy of the Left when it comes to honest debate. Left attacks the Right, fully justified. The Right attacks the Left, outrageous. Just more elitism - "I am a Leftist, I know what's best for you. All right-wingers are stupid, yada yada...."

Mike Lowrey

Hey, that's one hellava line.

Couldn't be any truer.

Folks who flock to Michael Moore's films are expecting to see just what? To be filled with Left-wing propaganda.

I like a quote I read about Moore's Bowling for Coumbine. The quote said, "Michael Moore is using the First Amendment to crap on the Second Amendment."