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Old 04-21-04, 04:41 PM
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ken park cheap porn ???

just watched ken park dvd and quite frankly i was very disappointed with it. being a fan of larry clarks previous films "the bully" and "kids" i was looking forward to the eventual relese of ken park. i feel the sex scenes were going abit to far and unfortuntely portrayed the film as nothing more than a porno. perhaps if the film had more depth especially when introducing each of the kids then perhaps the sex scenes would not seem like tacky porn shit. i can fully appreciate why this film is not being released in the us and uk. it would need to be severely edited for it to be screened in cinemas. though you would be editing half of the film to acheive cinema status.
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Larry Park likes to make "Kiddy Porn" like films. In saying that I do not see anything about a DVD in your subject. Perhaps this discussion about a movie would be better suited in.. oh I don't know.. lets say Movie talk?
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Did lethal go and edit his post, because right in the first sentence he says he watched the ken park DVD, which would seem to qualify it to be posted in DVD Talk?
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It's ultimately about the movie, so it does belong in the movie forum. He's not talking about the DVD release at all.

On topic, I hate Larry's movies, all of them.
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Originally posted by warcp
Did lethal go and edit his post, because right in the first sentence he says he watched the ken park DVD, which would seem to qualify it to be posted in DVD Talk?
But he isn't discussing the DVD (picture quality, extras, etc.) and is in fact discussing the merits of the movie itself.

So yes, Jackskeleton, as usual, is right.
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does it matter?? no of course not

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Oh no. Someone posted about a movie in the DVD section. How can I go on. I'm ruined!
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what region is can you find the movie, (and is half the movie sex scenes?) from the clips ive seen, it doesn't seem like it was nearly that much.
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I've seen clips of the scenes in question, and if it is porn, it's the tamest porn I've ever seen.
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Watched the uncut Ken Park, and I have to agree. The problem is that these scenes add nothing to the film. A scene of a skinny teenage boy strangling himself with a sock while masturbating, complete with the finisher, has nothing to do with anything. Not the character, the plot, nothing. Clark used to have some talent, but it seems to be gone now. Kids actually had some impact and was shocking, but his efforts to "show the real youth" have gone bad, now it's just exploitation junk. And boring to boot.
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Originally posted by Scorpio
Oh no. Someone posted about a movie in the DVD section. How can I go on. I'm ruined!
Well come now. If this film wants to discuss the film itself it would get a better reaction in movie talk. If folks want to talk about dvd release here, quality of the image, etc. etc. then it would go here. Is it so bad to want to have everything go in the right place?

I agree with J_sutton. the scenes add nothing to it and really are just there for Parks own kick. I'm not surprised it wont see the light unless it is heavily edited and for good reason.
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kind of looks like a pedafile also (he's in his 60's!)
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geez, talk about some larry clark haters out there.

i for one think the guy is a genius, it's well known his photography has inspired dozens of filmmakers , scorsese for one..

I don't see why anyone would label anyone as a pedophile, which is pretty harsh, the guy isn't victor salva,( however you spell jeepers creepers directors name) - who's films are very disturbing giving his past, and yet people like francis for coppoloa support him, and audiences flock to his last 2 films.

Clark isn't showing under 18 actors engaged in porn, if you look at the film, there's nothing xxx rated at all, it's just done from the right anglethat you think you're seeing something. and all of his actors are over the age of 18? so how can that be construed as pedophilia? again, what i find a very harsh term- what about kubrick then, for eyes wide shut or lolita? is he a pedophile too?

what clark is doing is showing real life. i'm sorry but america needs to wake up, The teenagers of today, aren't trading places with their mom and getting in wacky adventures ( freaky friday), or dodging eugene levy as they skip school ( some lame olsen twins film i just caught trailer for)

what they're doing is everything depicted in clark's film, and yeah they might be a little extreme, but blended in with the whitewashing done by hollywood, Clark's world is a little more realistic.

if you're afraid of his film, i suggest you stay inside, it's not a disney world out there anymore.
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Damn, I want to see this movie so bad. All of Clark's films have been amazing ( except Teenage Cavemen ). I've heard nothing but bad things about Ken Park though.
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Originally posted by lcnickell
geez, talk about some larry clark haters out there.

i for one think the guy is a genius, it's well known his photography has inspired dozens of filmmakers , scorsese for one..

I don't see why anyone would label anyone as a pedophile, which is pretty harsh, the guy isn't victor salva,( however you spell jeepers creepers directors name) - who's films are very disturbing giving his past, and yet people like francis for coppoloa support him, and audiences flock to his last 2 films.

Clark isn't showing under 18 actors engaged in porn, if you look at the film, there's nothing xxx rated at all, it's just done from the right anglethat you think you're seeing something. and all of his actors are over the age of 18? so how can that be construed as pedophilia? again, what i find a very harsh term- what about kubrick then, for eyes wide shut or lolita? is he a pedophile too?

what clark is doing is showing real life. i'm sorry but america needs to wake up, The teenagers of today, aren't trading places with their mom and getting in wacky adventures ( freaky friday), or dodging eugene levy as they skip school ( some lame olsen twins film i just caught trailer for)

what they're doing is everything depicted in clark's film, and yeah they might be a little extreme, but blended in with the whitewashing done by hollywood, Clark's world is a little more realistic.

if you're afraid of his film, i suggest you stay inside, it's not a disney world out there anymore.
Well said.
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I generally like Clark movies to an extend.

Ken Park, however, was boring, contrived and oddly pretentious garbage.

Good cinematography/coloring though. The movie itself is just incredibly unmoving and weak. It isn't realistic, it isn't entertaining, it isn't smart, I just can't think of many good things to say about it.
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i think while all the actors may be over 18, they seem to be playing people under 18, and they do have sex quite often (bully exceptially), and it seems like he uses the sex to shock (and maybe to get off also)
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Originally posted by Rypro 525
i think while all the actors may be over 18, they seem to be playing people under 18, and they do have sex quite often (bully exceptially), and it seems like he uses the sex to shock (and maybe to get off also)
Pretty much every tv show or movie you watch has people over 18 playing under 18 so that's really not a valid point.

The part about using it to shock or get off I can't comment on though.
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Originally posted by lcnickell
geez, talk about some larry clark haters out there.

i for one think the guy is a genius, it's well known his photography has inspired dozens of filmmakers , scorsese for one..

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scorsese? what of clark's has inspired him?
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Clark isn't showing under 18 actors engaged in porn, if you look at the film, there's nothing xxx rated at all, it's just done from the right anglethat you think you're seeing something. and all of his actors are over the age of 18? so how can that be construed as pedophilia? again, what i find a very harsh term- what about kubrick then, for eyes wide shut or lolita? is he a pedophile too?

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well i guess someone masterbating and then ejaculating is not something that would cause an x rating in the U.S.?

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what they're doing is everything depicted in clark's film, and yeah they might be a little extreme, but blended in with the whitewashing done by hollywood, Clark's world is a little more realistic.

if you're afraid of his film, i suggest you stay inside, it's not a disney world out there anymore.
i wouldnt say "people" are afraid of his films. i think alot of people dont think they are good films, me included.

i didnt see one thing in ken park that i thought caused me to stop and think about how sad or tough it is for young teens.
only what a piece of bad film making i just saw.
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Originally posted by lcnickell
...if you're afraid of his film, i suggest you stay inside, it's not a disney world out there anymore.
Dang, I guess you're right. (note to self: start dumping the deadly biological agents into the reservoir this weekend)
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icknell, while it might not be xxx, a bj shown explicitly i don't think would be allowed in an R rated movie.
also, we can all bet that this def. won't be the dvd cover if ever released in the us thats for sure.
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I don't consider it porn, but I do consider it irrelavant.

So many gratuitous scenes that add nothing to the story in any way.

As someone mentioned, the masturbation scene was pointless - especially showing it in full detail.
I also didn't see the use of showing a close-up of someone urinating.

Outside of the gratuitious scenes, it's still a bad film.

I don't know much about Larry Clark (other than watching a few of his films) - but I get the feeling he's getting some preverse kicks making these films.
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If this film does have a theatrical release, it will most likely be in art-house theaters. I'm sure it will not be edited. I've seen a few French films at these theaters and they go pretty damn far ( Basie Moi and Romance )
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does anyone else find the title of this thread ironic...
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Originally posted by ArchibaldTuttle
does anyone else find the title of this thread ironic...
I find the phrase 'Cheap Porn' and the question marks redundant.

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