View Poll Results: Pulp Fiction, should it have won Best Picture
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Pulp Fiction, should it have won Best Picture [1994]
03-23-04, 06:43 PM
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Pulp definitely should have won. I also think that Quiz Show and Shawshank were better films than Gump as well.
03-23-04, 06:55 PM
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What about versus LOTR?
What about versus LOTR?
03-23-04, 11:13 PM
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Tough call, so tough that you can't fault the academy. Feel good stuff versus junkies, homosexual rape and blood & guts. Not a condemenation mind you, but when the aged academy has to vote, it's no suprise which way they went. I"m reading Peter Biskind's new book and it's suprising to hear just how much negative feedback QT got from the indy community in the wake of Dogs, never mind Pulp.
What ever the debate, it's clearly between Gump and Pulp in my mind. Most people beef with Gump's schmaltz factor, which is high, but Shawshank could be the schmaltziest movie the "hip" community has ever embraced. At the end of the day, it's a debate not dissimilar from today, and movies are just as hard and foolish to compare. How do you compare ROTK and Lost in Trans? My personal favorite and rewatchable one will be Lost, but I agree and think ROTK deserved the Oscar because in my mind, achievment in epic, sweeping films deserves the Oscar, in a case of films being equal.
Gump hasn't aged well, but it is EPIC. Pulp is a phenomenal movie, and of the two, I'd take it to the desert isle, but in the probably the closest case in Oscar history, I would have given it to Gump, by a nose. Especially in 1994.
What ever the debate, it's clearly between Gump and Pulp in my mind. Most people beef with Gump's schmaltz factor, which is high, but Shawshank could be the schmaltziest movie the "hip" community has ever embraced. At the end of the day, it's a debate not dissimilar from today, and movies are just as hard and foolish to compare. How do you compare ROTK and Lost in Trans? My personal favorite and rewatchable one will be Lost, but I agree and think ROTK deserved the Oscar because in my mind, achievment in epic, sweeping films deserves the Oscar, in a case of films being equal.
Gump hasn't aged well, but it is EPIC. Pulp is a phenomenal movie, and of the two, I'd take it to the desert isle, but in the probably the closest case in Oscar history, I would have given it to Gump, by a nose. Especially in 1994.
03-24-04, 12:11 AM
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Its gotta be Shawshank Redemption all the way.
It comes down to the fact that Pulp Fiction is (for its genre) near perfect, but Shawkshank IS perfect.
IMO, there is not a single flaw in Shawshank Redemption (storytelling, cinematography, direction, char motivation, ect). However in Pulp Fiction, there are (for me anyway) a couple of small problems with the film that keep it just behind SR.
In the old "in 20 years test", these are the two films that will be remembered. But, I think it will go something like this:
Pulp Fiction: Most Influential film of 1994.
Shawshank Redemption: Most loved/re-watched film of 1994.
So it comes down to the eternal debate. Is Best Picture an award for infulence... or for how much something moved you.
John
It comes down to the fact that Pulp Fiction is (for its genre) near perfect, but Shawkshank IS perfect.
IMO, there is not a single flaw in Shawshank Redemption (storytelling, cinematography, direction, char motivation, ect). However in Pulp Fiction, there are (for me anyway) a couple of small problems with the film that keep it just behind SR.
In the old "in 20 years test", these are the two films that will be remembered. But, I think it will go something like this:
Pulp Fiction: Most Influential film of 1994.
Shawshank Redemption: Most loved/re-watched film of 1994.
So it comes down to the eternal debate. Is Best Picture an award for infulence... or for how much something moved you.
John
03-24-04, 12:12 AM
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It's funny, because I always think of the Shawshank Redemption as a Best Picture winner, and then remember "Oh wait, that's right, it lost to Forrest Gump."
If it had come out in 1995, I think Shawshank would have beaten Braveheart.
It was just the year for Gump.
If it had come out in 1995, I think Shawshank would have beaten Braveheart.
It was just the year for Gump.
03-24-04, 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Porthos
Its gotta be Shawshank Redemption all the way.
It comes down to the fact that Pulp Fiction is (for its genre) near perfect, but Shawkshank IS perfect.
IMO, there is not a single flaw in Shawshank Redemption (storytelling, cinematography, direction, char motivation, ect). However in Pulp Fiction, there are (for me anyway) a couple of small problems with the film that keep it just behind SR.
In the old "in 20 years test", these are the two films that will be remembered. But, I think it will go something like this:
Pulp Fiction: Most Influential film of 1994.
Shawshank Redemption: Most loved/re-watched film of 1994.
So it comes down to the eternal debate. Is Best Picture an award for infulence... or for how much something moved you.
John
Its gotta be Shawshank Redemption all the way.
It comes down to the fact that Pulp Fiction is (for its genre) near perfect, but Shawkshank IS perfect.
IMO, there is not a single flaw in Shawshank Redemption (storytelling, cinematography, direction, char motivation, ect). However in Pulp Fiction, there are (for me anyway) a couple of small problems with the film that keep it just behind SR.
In the old "in 20 years test", these are the two films that will be remembered. But, I think it will go something like this:
Pulp Fiction: Most Influential film of 1994.
Shawshank Redemption: Most loved/re-watched film of 1994.
So it comes down to the eternal debate. Is Best Picture an award for infulence... or for how much something moved you.
John
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03-24-04, 02:20 AM
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Gump showed history and it's more of an American film.
It had classic pop songs from the past.
I'm know what people don't like about Gump is the message the movie sends.
So for a movie to represent America the right movie won.
It had classic pop songs from the past.
I'm know what people don't like about Gump is the message the movie sends.
So for a movie to represent America the right movie won.
03-24-04, 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by fumanstan
I think Gump deserved it. Although i can see how a case can be made for both Pulp Fiction and Shawshank. I love them all. But something about Gump always warms my heart
I think Gump deserved it. Although i can see how a case can be made for both Pulp Fiction and Shawshank. I love them all. But something about Gump always warms my heart
03-24-04, 10:02 AM
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I love Forrest Gump (Hanks is the man), Pulp Fiction and Shawshank's Redemption. Heck, I even enjoyed Quiz Show and Four weddings and a Funeral alot (although weddings is the classic filler that is lucky just to be nominated).
I think PF is the strongest of the 3, but FG is more family oriented, and SR is alittle too dark for the academy, I suppose. I still watch these 3 movies regularly, more so than the last few years POY (not including this year's Return of the King).
But yes, if I had to pick, I would vote for Pulp Fiction.
I think PF is the strongest of the 3, but FG is more family oriented, and SR is alittle too dark for the academy, I suppose. I still watch these 3 movies regularly, more so than the last few years POY (not including this year's Return of the King).
But yes, if I had to pick, I would vote for Pulp Fiction.
03-24-04, 10:07 AM
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Hmmm... tough call. A film that glorifies sadistic, nauseating violence as a form of mainstream family entertainment and another one that glorifies idiocy, unsophistication, illiteracy and ignorance as the Bushian philosophy of what the well-governed people of the richest country in the world should be like. I think I'll go with Shawshank Redemption.
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03-24-04, 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by baracine
A film that glorifies sadistic, nauseating violence as a form of mainstream family entertainment and another one that glorifies idiocy, unsophistication, illiteracy and ignorance as the Bushian philosophy of what the well-governed people of the richest country in the world should be like.
A film that glorifies sadistic, nauseating violence as a form of mainstream family entertainment and another one that glorifies idiocy, unsophistication, illiteracy and ignorance as the Bushian philosophy of what the well-governed people of the richest country in the world should be like.
03-24-04, 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Groucho
Based on the vitriol of your post, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you've seen neither film.
Based on the vitriol of your post, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you've seen neither film.
03-24-04, 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by baracine
Four Weddings and a Funeral, when all is said and done, is just another "dead homosexual" movie.
Four Weddings and a Funeral, when all is said and done, is just another "dead homosexual" movie.
03-24-04, 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Groucho
By definition, the "funeral" segment of the film takes up 1/5 of the film. In actuality, it takes up even less.
By definition, the "funeral" segment of the film takes up 1/5 of the film. In actuality, it takes up even less.
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03-24-04, 11:16 AM
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It's a toss-up between Shawshank Redemption and Pulp Fiction... both of which deserved it more than Forrest Gump.
However, I would've nominated and awarded either Krzysztof Kieslowski's Rouge or Atom Egoyan's Exotica. Those 2 films are true masterpieces.
However, I would've nominated and awarded either Krzysztof Kieslowski's Rouge or Atom Egoyan's Exotica. Those 2 films are true masterpieces.
03-24-04, 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by baracine
Hmmm... tough call. A film that glorifies sadistic, nauseating violence as a form of mainstream family entertainment and another one that glorifies idiocy, unsophistication, illiteracy and ignorance as the Bushian philosophy of what the well-governed people of the richest country in the world should be like. I think I'l go with Shawshank Redemption.
Hmmm... tough call. A film that glorifies sadistic, nauseating violence as a form of mainstream family entertainment and another one that glorifies idiocy, unsophistication, illiteracy and ignorance as the Bushian philosophy of what the well-governed people of the richest country in the world should be like. I think I'l go with Shawshank Redemption.
03-24-04, 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by baracine
Still, four straight couples get their freak on while the flamboyant, stereotypical, dress/kilt-wearing gay character has to cash in his chips before the end. Cliché, anyone?
Still, four straight couples get their freak on while the flamboyant, stereotypical, dress/kilt-wearing gay character has to cash in his chips before the end. Cliché, anyone?
So, please, name 20 other films where a flamboyant, stereotypical, dress/kilt-wearing gay character has to cash in his chips before the end while four straight couples get their freak on.
Oh, heck, I'm feeling generous. Just name ten.
03-24-04, 12:36 PM
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Are you sure you're using the word "cliché" correctly? Something can only be a cliché if it's been done many many times before so that it's tired and hackneyed.
So, please, name 20 other films where a flamboyant, stereotypical, dress/kilt-wearing gay character has to cash in his chips before the end while four straight couples get their freak on.
Oh, heck, I'm feeling generous. Just name ten.
Are you sure you're using the word "cliché" correctly? Something can only be a cliché if it's been done many many times before so that it's tired and hackneyed.
So, please, name 20 other films where a flamboyant, stereotypical, dress/kilt-wearing gay character has to cash in his chips before the end while four straight couples get their freak on.
Oh, heck, I'm feeling generous. Just name ten.
I'll be generous. You can cheat by checking out the documentary The Celluloid Closet (1995) on that very subject.
BTW, there was a joke making the rounds around that time: "Why is Stargate like Four Weedings and A Funeral? Answer: The *** dies."
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