H Ledger & J Gyllanhal: cowboys in love?
01-15-04, 06:50 PM
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One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
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01-15-04, 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by RobCA
Saying that it "makes him puke" shows a distinct lack of maturity, and a need to "grow up". Hence, the comment. Besides, something tells me you wouldn't have a problem watching "two people of the same gender make out" if they're women.
Rob
Saying that it "makes him puke" shows a distinct lack of maturity, and a need to "grow up". Hence, the comment. Besides, something tells me you wouldn't have a problem watching "two people of the same gender make out" if they're women.
Rob
01-15-04, 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by RyoHazuki
You're are an unsensitive bastard because you dont like to watch two people of the same gender make out.
You're are an unsensitive bastard because you dont like to watch two people of the same gender make out.
01-15-04, 07:19 PM
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There is a world of difference between not liking the sight of two men kissing and becoming physically ill from it. Most people find, say, murder to be wrong, but the sight of a person killing another in a film doesn't typically elicit a lot of "I'm gonna puke" responses.
It's true that people can respect a gay person while finding the act itself wrong - that is fair. However, are you always repulsed to the point of vomiting when witnessing any of the other things you find morally or idealogically wrong depicted in a film (theft, murder, rape)? These things happen regularly in celluloid and in life - why are they not also the targets of your immediate disgust?
It's true that people can respect a gay person while finding the act itself wrong - that is fair. However, are you always repulsed to the point of vomiting when witnessing any of the other things you find morally or idealogically wrong depicted in a film (theft, murder, rape)? These things happen regularly in celluloid and in life - why are they not also the targets of your immediate disgust?
01-15-04, 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Daytripper
Typical Ryo response. No, he (and you) were in sensitive to not only the person who started this thread (who is clearly gay or bi) , but any other gay people frequent this site. So if this movie or it's subject matter does not appeal to you, just why are you here?
Typical Ryo response. No, he (and you) were in sensitive to not only the person who started this thread (who is clearly gay or bi) , but any other gay people frequent this site. So if this movie or it's subject matter does not appeal to you, just why are you here?
01-15-04, 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by RyoHazuki
Even though your post is anti-me, I am feeling like Ive finally made it here at Dvdtalk: I have a typical post!!!!
Even though your post is anti-me, I am feeling like Ive finally made it here at Dvdtalk: I have a typical post!!!!
Anti-you post? Hardly. Plus, I certainly can't take credit for putting you on the map. You've had an entire thread dedicated to you before.
Now getting back to the subject at hand, I'll probably see this film just because I think Gyllanhal is one of the better (younger) actors out there now. And if his sister's in it too, I'm definitely there.
01-15-04, 11:04 PM
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Well the home page makes me feel great too but your post is good.
I didn't know the original poster was gay or bi or whatever. If I offended anyone, I am sorry.
I didn't know the original poster was gay or bi or whatever. If I offended anyone, I am sorry.
01-16-04, 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by RyoHazuki
You're are an unsensitive bastard because you dont like to watch two people of the same gender make out.
You're are an unsensitive bastard because you dont like to watch two people of the same gender make out.
01-16-04, 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Tarnower
One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
There's a huge difference between saying "I don't agree with the gay "lifestyle" (whatever that is) and I'm not going to go see this movie" and "seeing two guys kiss makes me want to puke!".
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01-16-04, 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Tarnower
One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
Yes, they have a perfect right to their insulting and bigoted beliefs. Yes, educating them gently is often more productive than yelling "homophobe." But no--I *don't* have to respect their beliefs. Their beliefs don't respect me.
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01-16-04, 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Tarnower
One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
One thing that a lot of people forget is that there are many, many folks out there that have profound disagreement with the gay lifestyle and what it represents. And I'm not just talking about religious opinion. It goes completely against the grain of their belief systems. That is something that must be recognized. Whether you agree with or not. Just because someone is repulsed by, or disagrees with the imagery of, two men (or women) making out, does not mean they necessarily have to "grow up" or are "immature." If they don't like it then they don't like it. I'm sure there are many people out there who are very accepting of the gay person themself, while being very unaccepting of the actual act of gay sex and/or the lifestyle. I think it's obviously a complex issue that a good deal of gay people seem to think should be much simpler. Too many gays out there try to shove it in people's faces and immediately yell "homophobe" if anyone doesn't agree with them. The gay lifestyle and culture is looked upon by millions and millions of people as very wrong, immoral and detrimental to society. And they have a right to feel that way. They are not wrong. It is a matter of idealogy, and not morality, in my opinion. But ultimately they have a right to feel that way. And, no, I am not one of those people. I just bring it up because it seems that a lot of gay people seem to overlook that. However, I do think that things are definitely getting better in terms of acceptance. Just look at how many gay characters are featured in lead and supporting roles, especially in television.
07-22-04, 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Matt Millheiser
Lemme guess: they're gonna be eating pudding?
Lemme guess: they're gonna be eating pudding?
Originally posted by Groucho
It was going to be "Bareback Mountain" until the P.C. police interfered.
It was going to be "Bareback Mountain" until the P.C. police interfered.
Originally posted by adamblast
I'm sure there's already plenty of gay porn directors making plans for Bareback Mountin'...
I'm sure there's already plenty of gay porn directors making plans for Bareback Mountin'...
how funny but how true. I could see Chi Chi LaRue or Titan or Colt producing this...
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07-22-04, 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by whitetigeress
I just saw a picture in a magazine that there will be full frontal from Heath and a body double for Jake. Here's wishing for a close up 
I just saw a picture in a magazine that there will be full frontal from Heath and a body double for Jake. Here's wishing for a close up
