Terminator 3: Reviews and Disscussion
07-15-03, 05:54 PM
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true if you you go to my house and kill me i would not exist tomorrow, but you are from the present not the future, if you came from the future where we both exist and then kill me in the present, the theory is the me in the future would no longer exist which i believe is not true at all, but i have no way to prove that.
Originally posted by Cusm
This is not BTTF logic, this is basic science. If I go to your house today and kill you. You will not exist tomorrow. The Terminators are trying to kill John, not seperate JC parents from reproducing by not meeting. BTTF logic would be killing Reece when he is a child in an attempt to eleminate John. Or making Sara join a convent and making sure she does not fornicate - now there is your is T4 plot line.
This is not BTTF logic, this is basic science. If I go to your house today and kill you. You will not exist tomorrow. The Terminators are trying to kill John, not seperate JC parents from reproducing by not meeting. BTTF logic would be killing Reece when he is a child in an attempt to eleminate John. Or making Sara join a convent and making sure she does not fornicate - now there is your is T4 plot line.
07-15-03, 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Revoltor
I haven't read everyone's opinions on the movie but from what I see, people are crazy.
T2 was perfect and couldn't have had a better ending. The t-800 had to terminate himself. There was no other choice.
T3 though. Definitely the worst of the series.
Storywise the movie was silly and in all honesty T3 should've never happened. For the sake of conversation though, I'll overlook how the Terminator franchise is built on plotholes. Anyway, these new Terminators suck ass at "terminating". Instead of quick kills, we get people tossing. A lot of people tossing.
I haven't read everyone's opinions on the movie but from what I see, people are crazy.
T2 was perfect and couldn't have had a better ending. The t-800 had to terminate himself. There was no other choice.
T3 though. Definitely the worst of the series.
Storywise the movie was silly and in all honesty T3 should've never happened. For the sake of conversation though, I'll overlook how the Terminator franchise is built on plotholes. Anyway, these new Terminators suck ass at "terminating". Instead of quick kills, we get people tossing. A lot of people tossing.
Definitely how the TX never ever seemed that badass. A nuclear pulse (or whatever it was) is not on the same 'scary-ness' level as knives, ala T1000. The TX was not a great bad guy.
07-15-03, 08:16 PM
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Nope. And neither do you. Theoretically, time travel is possible; it just hasn't been proven either way. Read up on the tenth-demensional and hyperspace physics theories; they really are interesting.
Nope. And neither do you. Theoretically, time travel is possible; it just hasn't been proven either way. Read up on the tenth-demensional and hyperspace physics theories; they really are interesting.
Originally posted by caipirina
Yes T'pol ... we know that you bloddy hot vulcan chicks do not believe in it
Yes T'pol ... we know that you bloddy hot vulcan chicks do not believe in it
07-15-03, 11:26 PM
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You're right. Actually I AM a time traveller. In fact I'm travelling through time right now.
You're right. Actually I AM a time traveller. In fact I'm travelling through time right now.
07-16-03, 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by Numanoid
That's the third time today someone has called me a bloddy hot vulcan chick. Weird.
That's the third time today someone has called me a bloddy hot vulcan chick. Weird.
Oh, i just gone cross eyed again
07-16-03, 04:24 PM
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I finally got around to watching the movie yesterday afternoon. It was alright, but did seem very short. Not only that, but it seemed like it was ...missing...."something". Not sure what. Thinking back to the movie, it seems like many things could have been added. I mean,...to me...the movie felt something like this:
PLOT SPOILERS:
Terminators show up>Car Chase>No action scene to explain plot>Military installation scene>Ending scene
END OF SPOILERS
Maybe it was the absence of the music from previous installations of Terminator movies. Or maybe it was that it was different actors, except for Arnold. Could it be the absence of Linda Hamilton? I don't know.
It wasn't a bad movie. I'll definately get it when it comes out on DVD, but I wish it had more in it.
Edited: Cause I'm an idiot and can't keep names straight. :-)
PLOT SPOILERS:
Terminators show up>Car Chase>No action scene to explain plot>Military installation scene>Ending scene
END OF SPOILERS
Maybe it was the absence of the music from previous installations of Terminator movies. Or maybe it was that it was different actors, except for Arnold. Could it be the absence of Linda Hamilton? I don't know.
It wasn't a bad movie. I'll definately get it when it comes out on DVD, but I wish it had more in it.
Edited: Cause I'm an idiot and can't keep names straight. :-)
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07-16-03, 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by NoirTech
Could it be the absence of Linda Carter? I don't know.
Could it be the absence of Linda Carter? I don't know.
07-16-03, 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Kal Jedi
I doubt it, cuz she was never in the previous 2 movies. And I don't think the protagonists in the movie could've used Wonder Woman anyway.
I doubt it, cuz she was never in the previous 2 movies. And I don't think the protagonists in the movie could've used Wonder Woman anyway.
07-20-03, 07:19 AM
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film only opened in Australia this week, just saw it
Not a bad movie, bit disappointed, way behind the first two which are masterpieces in their own right
Didn;t like the actor who played John Conner at all. Claire Danes was good but she hasn't grown up that cute. Arnie whilst still in decent physical shape really is showing his age, especially in the face closeups. Makes it hard to believe he's a terminator ! Hated the campy lines and yes overall too many jokes, not enough intensity
When you compare the intensity and presence of the terminator in the first film , especially in the club scene where both Kyle and arnie are about to make contact with Sarah conner compared with the TX in this film, it's a joke. Her weaponry doesn't make her scarier, i dunno, she just didn't come upto par
the crane chase scene was way cool though
Not a bad movie, bit disappointed, way behind the first two which are masterpieces in their own right
Didn;t like the actor who played John Conner at all. Claire Danes was good but she hasn't grown up that cute. Arnie whilst still in decent physical shape really is showing his age, especially in the face closeups. Makes it hard to believe he's a terminator ! Hated the campy lines and yes overall too many jokes, not enough intensity
When you compare the intensity and presence of the terminator in the first film , especially in the club scene where both Kyle and arnie are about to make contact with Sarah conner compared with the TX in this film, it's a joke. Her weaponry doesn't make her scarier, i dunno, she just didn't come upto par
the crane chase scene was way cool though
07-20-03, 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by NoirTech
I finally got around to watching the movie yesterday afternoon. It was alright, but did seem very short.
I finally got around to watching the movie yesterday afternoon. It was alright, but did seem very short.
FWIW, I saw it with a friend and we both thought it was pretty short as well. Then we looked at the time.
07-20-03, 04:40 PM
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I agree completely with Original Desmond...
I thought the movie was OK, but had "lame excuse to make money" written all over it. I think Linda Hamilton was quoted as saying that the movie was heartless and she was right. I didnt care for the characters at all.
I also agree with the point that the TX didnt seem half as bad as the T1000 from T2.
Overall probably ***/*****
I thought the movie was OK, but had "lame excuse to make money" written all over it. I think Linda Hamilton was quoted as saying that the movie was heartless and she was right. I didnt care for the characters at all.
I also agree with the point that the TX didnt seem half as bad as the T1000 from T2.
Overall probably ***/*****
07-20-03, 09:39 PM
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Here's a quick question...if Skynet wants to kill John Conner so damn bad, why don't they send back more than one Terminator? And if John knows they're coming, why doesn't he send back the reprogrammed Terminator and some humans?
07-20-03, 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Tarantino
Here's a quick question...if Skynet wants to kill John Conner so damn bad, why don't they send back more than one Terminator? And if John knows they're coming, why doesn't he send back the reprogrammed Terminator and some humans?
Here's a quick question...if Skynet wants to kill John Conner so damn bad, why don't they send back more than one Terminator? And if John knows they're coming, why doesn't he send back the reprogrammed Terminator and some humans?
07-21-03, 01:44 PM
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I did it! I read through all 300+ posts! And it only took me about 3 hours here at work! Hey at least I'm getting paid for it!
anway, I loved the movie and like it almost as much as T2. A few gripe off the top of my head.
1. Since when can Arnold self-terminate? He wasn't able to do it in T2 but now he's able to do it in T3? Or is this an exception since he's taking out T-X?
2. Arnold, before he self-terminates, says to John, "We'll meet again." Technically speaking (which is how all terminators speak) that particular "him" will not meet up again with John. Is Arnold implying that he'll be back to kill John? ahhhh you're right, who cares.
As for a T4 and T5, what kind of foe can they come up with? Ressurect Linda Hamilton to become the T-M? Terminator-Mommy? Can they even have a one-on-one terminator duel like T2 and T3 with all of the other machines causing all this trouble?
Poll: How many different editions of the Terminator 3:Rise of the Machines DVD do you think will be produced in the next 10 years?
anway, I loved the movie and like it almost as much as T2. A few gripe off the top of my head.
1. Since when can Arnold self-terminate? He wasn't able to do it in T2 but now he's able to do it in T3? Or is this an exception since he's taking out T-X?
2. Arnold, before he self-terminates, says to John, "We'll meet again." Technically speaking (which is how all terminators speak) that particular "him" will not meet up again with John. Is Arnold implying that he'll be back to kill John? ahhhh you're right, who cares.
As for a T4 and T5, what kind of foe can they come up with? Ressurect Linda Hamilton to become the T-M? Terminator-Mommy? Can they even have a one-on-one terminator duel like T2 and T3 with all of the other machines causing all this trouble?
Poll: How many different editions of the Terminator 3:Rise of the Machines DVD do you think will be produced in the next 10 years?
07-21-03, 03:26 PM
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. Arnold, before he self-terminates, says to John, "We'll meet again." Technically speaking (which is how all terminators speak) that particular "him" will not meet up again with John. Is Arnold implying that he'll be back to kill John? ahhhh you're right, who cares.
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As far as self-terminating, it seems like he was doing a forced re-boot (as evidenced by the fact he restarts). When he kills TX that isn't a self-termination, thats being killed in the line of duty.
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07-22-03, 04:52 PM
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Ok, my turn, I was a little late in seeing it. First of all I was surprised how many people were at the show: 7/19 at 4:00.
We got there during the previews and couldn't get very good seats. I thought it would be a ghost town. I think that's a good sign for T4.
1) Terminatrix: Not scary at all, not even after getting creative in the police car, and that was a let down.
2) Ever notice how Clare Danes does most of her emotions using her chin? (I first noticed this in Les Meserable (sp)). But after a rocky start, I ended up liking her character, which was a surprise.
3) John Conner: see #2, minus the chin.
4) I was very nervous about how much they played Arine for laughs. But juding by how much I and many others in the show were laughing, it was a smart move.
5) I was surprised by the general's instructions at the end, made for a better ending.
6) Someone above said the CGI looked like it was from Eraser. I agree, especially with the little bits added to the otherwise great car chase. Seeing the bad-CGI hanging Arine really took me out of the moment.
Overall a fun movie, just don't be expecting T2.
On on earlier topic, if Arnine is the T-800 101 skin model, what is the Franco Columbo model #?
We got there during the previews and couldn't get very good seats. I thought it would be a ghost town. I think that's a good sign for T4.
1) Terminatrix: Not scary at all, not even after getting creative in the police car, and that was a let down.
2) Ever notice how Clare Danes does most of her emotions using her chin? (I first noticed this in Les Meserable (sp)). But after a rocky start, I ended up liking her character, which was a surprise.
3) John Conner: see #2, minus the chin.
4) I was very nervous about how much they played Arine for laughs. But juding by how much I and many others in the show were laughing, it was a smart move.
5) I was surprised by the general's instructions at the end, made for a better ending.
6) Someone above said the CGI looked like it was from Eraser. I agree, especially with the little bits added to the otherwise great car chase. Seeing the bad-CGI hanging Arine really took me out of the moment.
Overall a fun movie, just don't be expecting T2.
On on earlier topic, if Arnine is the T-800 101 skin model, what is the Franco Columbo model #?
07-28-03, 12:30 PM
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Well, I just saw T3 on Saturday night. The theater was packed except for a few seats here and there. I really enjoyed the movie. Very entertaining. The chase through the city was amazing! There are just a couple things that bothered me about T3.
#1 -- A little heavy on action and short on plot. From the get-go the movie is basically one huge chase that hardly slows down to catch a breath throughout. While this makes for some great edge-of-your-seat thrills, it left me wanting a more well-developed story.
#2 -- The movie was very humorous throughout. I enjoyed the levity and most of the GREAT Arnold lines (including "talk to the hand" and "I'll drive"), but in the end I started to think the references to T2 and cliched scripting was a tad overdone. They went to the well a few too many times, so to speak. For example, the "I'll be back" T2 line and its adaptations ("She'll be back" and "I'm back") made me cringe a bit. However, Arnold does deliver many hilarious one-liners that I enjoyed immensely. "We need a new vehicle" had me
Overall, it was a great movie. Money well spent. I liked it better than Matrix:Reloaded for sure. The effects were very well done. CGI was integrated very believably throughout. And to all those saying TX was not scary, I don't believe you. You can't honestly tell me that, having seen what she was capable of, you wouldn't be afraid if she was coming after you!
Great film, highly recommended.
#1 -- A little heavy on action and short on plot. From the get-go the movie is basically one huge chase that hardly slows down to catch a breath throughout. While this makes for some great edge-of-your-seat thrills, it left me wanting a more well-developed story.
#2 -- The movie was very humorous throughout. I enjoyed the levity and most of the GREAT Arnold lines (including "talk to the hand" and "I'll drive"), but in the end I started to think the references to T2 and cliched scripting was a tad overdone. They went to the well a few too many times, so to speak. For example, the "I'll be back" T2 line and its adaptations ("She'll be back" and "I'm back") made me cringe a bit. However, Arnold does deliver many hilarious one-liners that I enjoyed immensely. "We need a new vehicle" had me
Overall, it was a great movie. Money well spent. I liked it better than Matrix:Reloaded for sure. The effects were very well done. CGI was integrated very believably throughout. And to all those saying TX was not scary, I don't believe you. You can't honestly tell me that, having seen what she was capable of, you wouldn't be afraid if she was coming after you!
Great film, highly recommended.
07-28-03, 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by sho kosugi
Ok, my turn, I was a little late in seeing it. First of all I was surprised how many people were at the show: 7/19 at 4:00.
We got there during the previews and couldn't get very good seats. I thought it would be a ghost town. I think that's a good sign for T4.
1) Terminatrix: Not scary at all, not even after getting creative in the police car, and that was a let down.
On on earlier topic, if Arnine is the T-800 101 skin model, what is the Franco Columbo model #?
Ok, my turn, I was a little late in seeing it. First of all I was surprised how many people were at the show: 7/19 at 4:00.
We got there during the previews and couldn't get very good seats. I thought it would be a ghost town. I think that's a good sign for T4.
1) Terminatrix: Not scary at all, not even after getting creative in the police car, and that was a let down.
On on earlier topic, if Arnine is the T-800 101 skin model, what is the Franco Columbo model #?
But I can see why this is a problem for some since it means the T-X has less presence than the T-1000 or T-800. Though I must admit I was creeped out when
Spoiler:
As for Franco Columbu, in the end credits of The Terminator he's simply credited as "Future Terminator."
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07-28-03, 09:00 PM
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but "I'll be back" has been Arnold's signature line forever
Originally posted by taa455
For example, the "I'll be back" T2 line and its adaptations ("She'll be back" and "I'm back") made me cringe a bit. However, Arnold does deliver many hilarious one-liners that I enjoyed immensely. "We need a new vehicle" had me
For example, the "I'll be back" T2 line and its adaptations ("She'll be back" and "I'm back") made me cringe a bit. However, Arnold does deliver many hilarious one-liners that I enjoyed immensely. "We need a new vehicle" had me
07-28-03, 09:12 PM
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but "I'll be back" has been Arnold's signature line forever
but "I'll be back" has been Arnold's signature line forever
07-30-03, 02:01 PM
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Sorry, I didn't read through this thread, but I thought that this was by far the worst of the 3. The script was horrible...my friend made the comment that it looked like it was written overnight.
The movie was kinda short. The actor who played John Connor looked like he was 15 while Claire Daine looked like she was 30. Plus she was taller than him. Those 2 had ZERO chemistry.
Plus, they gave the girl who played the bad Terminator 2 lines in the whole movie a la Kelly Hu in X2.
The action was good, but pretty unbelievable (e.g. the crane truck diggin' up the concrete).
Overall, I give this movie 1.5 stars.
The movie was kinda short. The actor who played John Connor looked like he was 15 while Claire Daine looked like she was 30. Plus she was taller than him. Those 2 had ZERO chemistry.
Plus, they gave the girl who played the bad Terminator 2 lines in the whole movie a la Kelly Hu in X2.
The action was good, but pretty unbelievable (e.g. the crane truck diggin' up the concrete).
Overall, I give this movie 1.5 stars.
