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Old 06-01-03, 10:24 PM
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Wanna get rave reviews? Play a retard!!

First of all I don't want to bash on mentally challenged people.

But if you want recognition as an actor you gotta play one!!

-Dustin Hoffman in "Rain Man"

-Tom Hanks in "Forrest Gump"

-Billy Bob Thornton in "Sling Blade"

-Sean Penn in "I am Sam"

Did I forget anyone?

And please guys, don't mention Rob Schneider or Sly Stallone coz I don't want a retard flame war
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You forgot What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Leo's stunning performance as a gomper.
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Then there's that retard from Something About Mary
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By the way - this thread really offends me.
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There was an article I read several years ago (possibly written by William Goldman?) that claimed, "Playing a retard is easy!" Author went on to declare that Tom Cruise, not Hoffman, should have won the Oscar for Rain Man.

So, which is worse? The fact that playing a "retard" is the surest way for an actor to get recognition, or the fact that playing a hooker is the method of choice when an actress wants to do the same?
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My God, a retarded war veteran turned hooker . . . that role has Oscar written all over it.
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Originally posted by inVectiVe
There was an article I read several years ago (possibly written by William Goldman?) that claimed, "Playing a retard is easy!" Author went on to declare that Tom Cruise, not Hoffman, should have won the Oscar for Rain Man.
I agree with this view to a point. I think it is easy to play a mentally disturbed person badly. To do it right is extremely difficult and few have done that.

What I find so disturbing is that the acting jobs done by some of those mentioned were horrible. Dustin Hoffman's portrayal of an autistic was the worst I have seen yet he won an oscar for it . In that film I did not think I was watching an autistic person for one second. It looked exactly like what it was - Dustin Hoffman trying to act autistic (and badly). I could go on and on about his portrayal but no matter. He has the statue...
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The Other Sister has some excellent acting by Juliette Lewis and Giovanni Ribisi as mentally-handicapped people. It is also one of the most unintentionally funny movies I have ever seen. This should be in the comedy section, not the drama section.
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What about Cliff Robertson in Charly?
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I saw a preview today for a movie called Radio with Cuba Gooding Jr. filling said role.
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Hmmmmmm....I thought Hoffman was excellent in Rain Man. Then again, I have pretty much zero concept of what an autistic person really acts like, so I'm in no position to judge whether he was "believable" [sp?].

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Then there's that retard from Something About Mary
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Ed Norton in 'The Score'.
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Let us not forget Donnie Wahlberg's Oscar worthy performance in "Dreamcatcher".
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Did I forget anyone?
Robert DeNiro - Awakenings

One of my favorites: Crispin Glover - Wild at Heart
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Keanu Reeves in... oh wait... sorry


Does playing one in real life count?
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Seriously though...

how can we forget Tom Hulce in Dominic & Eugene. very good movie.
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My God, a retarded war veteran turned hooker . . . that role has Oscar written all over it.
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I always thought Brad Pitt was brilliant in 12 Monkeys ... but that's more ego-maniacal than retarded.
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Don't forget Mickey Rooney's Golden Globe and Emmy award-winning performance in TV's Bill.

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I thought Larry Drake in L.A. Law was excellent. He won two Emmys.
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Of course, this could actually fall under the topic of "disabled person shining in the face of adversity" and then you get the real story: Hollywood's a sucker for people playing cripples and madmen.

Limiting the list to only Best Actor and Actress Oscar Winners:

Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets
Geoffry Rush in Shine
Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump
Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs
Daniel-Day Lewis in My Left Foot
Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man
Kathy Bates in Misery
Marlee Matlin in Children of a Lesser God

etc., etc. So it's not just "retards" -- it could be any portrayal of anyone with a disability, whether it's being crippled and in a wheelchair (Gary Sinese, Tom Cruise), or dealing with Alzheimers (Judi Dench, John Houseman) or just insanity (Russell Crowe, Angelina Jolie).
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You forgot the worse portral of all, Miko Hughs as Simon Lynch in Mercury Rising.
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Originally posted by inVectiVe
Hmmmmmm....I thought Hoffman was excellent in Rain Man. Then again, I have pretty much zero concept of what an autistic person really acts like, so I'm in no position to judge whether he was "believable" [sp?]
Well, I do and he was horrible. Of course autism has a wide range of symptoms so I guess it is possible that there is some autistic person out there who acts like that but none that I have seen.

My main problem is that it seemed so unnatural and very apparent that he was acting (to me at least). In a good performance even by a well known actor, I am so lost in the character that I totally forget about the actor. In Rain Man, it just looked like Dustin Hoffman acting very weird (again MHO). I think Penn did a better job in I Am Sam. In Rain Man, Tom Cruise was excellent and I agree that he deserved the Oscar.


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