Regurgitator

In the first movie, Morpheus said that they may be in the year 21?? as opposed to those people who think they are still in the year 1999 inside the Matrix. But as we know it now the Architect said that he destroyed and re-created Zion and the Matrix at least 6 times already. Everytime he does that he let's go a few of the people at a time. So in order for Zion to reach a large population as we've seen it for each instances of recreation I believe it would take at least 100 years. Multiply that by 7 (recreated 6 times) we get 700 years from 20?? when it was predicted AI emerged and took over = THE YEAR IS NOW 27?? (the 28th century).

What do you think?

Regurgitator

Sorry.. I forgot.. the above post may be a SPOILER for those who have not seen the movie yet.

einTier

Not sure it matters. If Zion is another matrix, it could literally be seconds or days after the fall of the human race. No one said matrix time had to be 1:1 with real time. Then again, if all of human kind went into hibernation for hundreds of years and then woke up, would you count time as the year 2400, or the year 1, or the year 2004? Time is awfully subjective.

Plus, if we have intelligent, evolving machines, they are going to evolve at a rate that will astound us. Check out Verner Vinge's singularity theory. What would take us hundreds of years of tinkering, they'll be able to achieve in minutes or seconds.

PixyJunket

If Zion is another Matrix, then I will never watch Matrix 2 or 3 again, as at that point the trilogy is a joke.

However Regurgitator does bring up a good point. But 100 years? I don't know about that. How fast do you think 20-some people (the ones chosen to re-populate Zion) can become 250,000 (the number of people in Zion during this movie)..?

Does anybody other than Neo know that they're in the 6th phase? Perhaps this is why Morpheus guesses the year 21xx? If there were concrete dates for the creating of AI and the scorching of the sky, it's possible that Zion simply thinks they are starting off from that point each time.

vivarey

It might not matter, but assuming what we've learned so far is accurate - the Matrix is reloaded approx every 100 years. The fall of mankind happened somewhere around the turn of the millenium. There have been 7 reloads (the 7th either just happened, or is about to happen), meaning your original assessment is correct - end of the 28th century.

vivarey

There's more about this in another thread titled "Logistic question - Time to populate Zion". Basically, it depends how you do the math. If they pulled a LOT of people from the Matrix- and they were all having babies like rabbits... it's possible in about 100 years. More realistically though in 200-300 years.

einTier

Don't forget the time to build the original matrix and it's time to failure, and the building of the current matrix. It's probably a lot later than we think.

Surf Monkey

Well, Morphius tells Neo in the first film that it's "actually more like 2199."

My assumption was that Morphius, being unaware of the other versions of the Matrix, was reconing as if his was rev 1. Therefore, if we're actually at the end of rev 6 then the date would be something like 2699. At least that's how I read it.

ChiefJustice001

Doesn't Zion (and the rest of the "real world") have to be another Matrix?

At the end of the movie, Neo reaches out without any device and stops the squiddies.

It's either another Matrix, or they have been tricked into thinking they have left the Matrix and really haven't- unless Neo has some "Magical Powers" that work in the real world....(which would personally make me lose all respect for the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies...

I would be more pissed if they turned out NOT to be in another Matrix.

Daytrip

the Architect states in his speach that trinity enters the matrix to save neo at the cost of her own life. if she entered the matrix from the real world, she couldn't have already been in the matrix so the real world must be real

athosghost

I thought that Morpheous once claimed that It had been about a hundred years since the creation of Zion (which we now know was founded by Neo's predecessor). So I think you can figure about 100 years between anomalies, then figure that the first Matrix collapsed, I wouldn't be surprised if this has been going on for at least 1000 years.