movies that require multiple viewings to either understand or good thinking movies
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Seeing that Egoyan has not made the cut as yet, I'll nominate Exotica. That film gets richer for me every time I watch it -- infinitely rewarding. The same applies to Bergman's Persona, which is definitely one of the all-time-great "good thinking movies."
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Originally posted by TomReagan
Seeing that Egoyan has not made the cut as yet, I'll nominate Exotica. That film gets richer for me every time I watch it -- infinitely rewarding. The same applies to Bergman's Persona, which is definitely one of the all-time-great "good thinking movies."
Seeing that Egoyan has not made the cut as yet, I'll nominate Exotica. That film gets richer for me every time I watch it -- infinitely rewarding. The same applies to Bergman's Persona, which is definitely one of the all-time-great "good thinking movies."
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Agreed. Egoyan's The Sweet Hereafter is another 'repeat viewing necessary' film. And I think if we started listing Bergman's films we'd probably never stop. He made dozens of great films, and I'd say all of them reward multiple viewings.
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I had thought of adding Egoyan to my list of director's, but in a sense his films don't require repeated viewings to "understand" them. They require repeated viewings because they are so good. Calendar comes to mind for one I enjoy re-watching.
Originally posted by TomReagan
Seeing that Egoyan has not made the cut as yet, I'll nominate Exotica. That film gets richer for me every time I watch it -- infinitely rewarding. The same applies to Bergman's Persona, which is definitely one of the all-time-great "good thinking movies."
Seeing that Egoyan has not made the cut as yet, I'll nominate Exotica. That film gets richer for me every time I watch it -- infinitely rewarding. The same applies to Bergman's Persona, which is definitely one of the all-time-great "good thinking movies."
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Memento (I'll never get enough of this one!)
Usual Suspects
Donnie Darko
Mulholland Drive (and many other Lynch movies....)
Session 9
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American Beauty (not hard to understand - just amazing!)
Usual Suspects
Donnie Darko
Mulholland Drive (and many other Lynch movies....)
Session 9
Following
American Beauty (not hard to understand - just amazing!)
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Originally posted by Gunde
American Beauty (not hard to understand - just amazing!)
American Beauty (not hard to understand - just amazing!)
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=260836
and try to explain it in simple terms and mention where i went wrong in my explimation of the movie.
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Here's a list of movies I find I notice something new most every time I re-watch (be it details/nuances, subplots, etc.)
Rashomon
Pulp Fiction
12 Monkeys
Citizen Kane
Harold & Maude
Waking Life
Rear Window
Big Sleep (never makes sense no matter HOW much I watch it)
Memento
Dancer in the Dark
2001
The Conversation
Amelie
Short Cuts (tragically not on DVD)
Wild Strawberries
and the Simpsons is always good for a reference-a-minute
Rashomon
Pulp Fiction
12 Monkeys
Citizen Kane
Harold & Maude
Waking Life
Rear Window
Big Sleep (never makes sense no matter HOW much I watch it)
Memento
Dancer in the Dark
2001
The Conversation
Amelie
Short Cuts (tragically not on DVD)
Wild Strawberries
and the Simpsons is always good for a reference-a-minute
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Originally posted by mcarver
I think some films are just great because one can't wrap one's mind around them . That's why they are so re-watchable. David Lynch, Peter Greenaway, and Terry Gilliam seem to be directors that have a talent for creating such films.
And not to forget one of the masters, Andrei Tarkovsky.
Titles:
Saragossa Manuscript, The (1965)
Element of Crime (1984)
Institute Benjamenta, or This Dream People Call Human Life (1995)
I think some films are just great because one can't wrap one's mind around them . That's why they are so re-watchable. David Lynch, Peter Greenaway, and Terry Gilliam seem to be directors that have a talent for creating such films.
And not to forget one of the masters, Andrei Tarkovsky.
Titles:
Saragossa Manuscript, The (1965)
Element of Crime (1984)
Institute Benjamenta, or This Dream People Call Human Life (1995)
Originally posted by MaudlinHarold
Here's a list of movies I find I notice something new most every time I re-watch (be it details/nuances, subplots, etc.)
Rashomon
Pulp Fiction
12 Monkeys
Citizen Kane
Harold & Maude
Waking Life
Rear Window
Big Sleep (never makes sense no matter HOW much I watch it)
Memento
Dancer in the Dark
2001
The Conversation
Amelie
Short Cuts (tragically not on DVD)
Wild Strawberries
and the Simpsons is always good for a reference-a-minute
Here's a list of movies I find I notice something new most every time I re-watch (be it details/nuances, subplots, etc.)
Rashomon
Pulp Fiction
12 Monkeys
Citizen Kane
Harold & Maude
Waking Life
Rear Window
Big Sleep (never makes sense no matter HOW much I watch it)
Memento
Dancer in the Dark
2001
The Conversation
Amelie
Short Cuts (tragically not on DVD)
Wild Strawberries
and the Simpsons is always good for a reference-a-minute
I'm not going to get into a list of movies "I find I notice something new most every time I re-watch (be it details/nuances, subplots, etc.)" That list would just be toooooo looooooog. However, Sunset Blvd should certainly be on such a list. That masterpiece never stops surprising and amazing the viewer. IMHO
Magnificent Ambersons, The (1942) ~ I love this movie, but didn't really care for it until I watched it a few times.
OK....One last movie to list before this post gets out of control
When I first watched Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992) I not only didn't understand it, but hated it ( except for Moira Kelly taking off her top ). In fact, I thought it was soooooo strange that I was oddly drawn to watching it more than once.
I STILL have very little idea WTF is happening in this movie Yet, the more I watch it the more I'm drawn to it.
It's hypnotic!
BTW: I still like watching Moira Kelly taking off her top
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Only one vote (so far) for LOTR? I thought there'd be more? Well, I'll second Calistoga's vote for LOTR.
On a side note, what about movies that have surprise endings (i.e. 6th Sense) where you have to re-watch the film either to find holes in the story or just to be 100% positive that no one really had a conversation with Bruce Willis I know I had to rewatch it because I swore he had a conversation with the kids mom when he visited the house.
On a side note, what about movies that have surprise endings (i.e. 6th Sense) where you have to re-watch the film either to find holes in the story or just to be 100% positive that no one really had a conversation with Bruce Willis I know I had to rewatch it because I swore he had a conversation with the kids mom when he visited the house.
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[Also, I have to disagree vehemently about Memento. Having seen it once, I have found it to be completely unwatchable a second time. I would have to say it's the epitome of a film that reveals all on the first viewing.
[Also, I have to disagree vehemently about Memento. Having seen it once, I have found it to be completely unwatchable a second time. I would have to say it's the epitome of a film that reveals all on the first viewing.
I found that after you got used to the "gimmick" and you had seen the whole plot, there wasn't much else to take away from the film. Given the popularity of the movie, though, I guess we're in the minority.
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Well, anther thread reminded me of this one (actually one of my favorite films, I can't believe I haven't thought of it in so long): Being There. I admit I was young when I first saw it but when it (finally) dawned on me what the film was really, at its heart, about I HAD to sit and watch it again immediately. Being young I and from a religious household I had never conceived that such heresy would be aired in public (I was naive, OK?). Although now a view like that would be considered trendy, at the time I think they went out on a limb making this movie.
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Would it be cliche to add the Godfather trilogy to this list? I've watched these movies dozens of times and I still have a hard time keeping up with all the different characters (and all the italian names don't help, even though I'm italian myself).
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Originally posted by wendersfan
[B]Oh, a couple of asides - 12 Monkeys was on USA this morning when I got up. I could watch it over and over... Also, I have to disagree vehemently about Memento. Having seen it once, I have found it to be completely unwatchable a second time. I would have to say it's the epitome of a film that reveals all on the first viewing. Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
[B]Oh, a couple of asides - 12 Monkeys was on USA this morning when I got up. I could watch it over and over... Also, I have to disagree vehemently about Memento. Having seen it once, I have found it to be completely unwatchable a second time. I would have to say it's the epitome of a film that reveals all on the first viewing. Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
On a side note, my brother-in-law actually claims to have understood Mulholland Drive after the first viewing. Do I believe him? Nope. Is it possible? With Mulholland Drive, maybe not.. but with Memento or Vanilla Sky I can see it happening.
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Code Unkown
Code Unkown
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Originally posted by d2cheer
Can you tell me what this is?? I have not heard of this one. Only one on the list I am not familiar with so I am understandibly curious about it... I like lists like this to give me ideas about other movie to watch, so I guess this would be one I may be interested in... I check out the IMDB also and came up with nothing.
Can you tell me what this is?? I have not heard of this one. Only one on the list I am not familiar with so I am understandibly curious about it... I like lists like this to give me ideas about other movie to watch, so I guess this would be one I may be interested in... I check out the IMDB also and came up with nothing.
Look under Code Inconnu, Haneke, or Binoche.
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The full title is "Code Unknown: Incomplete Tales of Several Journeys" and that hints at its fractured structure. Directed by Michael Haneke (The Piano Teacher) and featuring Juliette Binoche, the film follows a few different stories of people from various social classes (in Paris I believe). It's rather overt in its political tones, but Haneke gets wonderful performances from his actors and plays with the narrative so that the heavy-handed "messages" are rendered much more palatable.
The centerpiece of the film is a long take depicting the intersection of the characters on the street, impressive in its technique and shocking in its content. Haneke also has some other great moments playing with distinctions between film and reality.
Code Unknown is one of my favorites from last year and I've been itching to see it again. There is a DVD available in the US.
The centerpiece of the film is a long take depicting the intersection of the characters on the street, impressive in its technique and shocking in its content. Haneke also has some other great moments playing with distinctions between film and reality.
Code Unknown is one of my favorites from last year and I've been itching to see it again. There is a DVD available in the US.
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Code Unknown is a delightful film (in no small part thanks to Juliette Binoche).
If you are interested in some "interesting" titles, check out my lists of selected films on DVD:
Overlooked Films
Independent Films
Foreign Films
at Michael's Movie Mayhem
If you are interested in some "interesting" titles, check out my lists of selected films on DVD:
Overlooked Films
Independent Films
Foreign Films
at Michael's Movie Mayhem
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Originally posted by CitizenKaneRBud
On a side note, my brother-in-law actually claims to have understood Mulholland Drive after the first viewing. Do I believe him? Nope. Is it possible? With Mulholland Drive, maybe not..
On a side note, my brother-in-law actually claims to have understood Mulholland Drive after the first viewing. Do I believe him? Nope. Is it possible? With Mulholland Drive, maybe not..
It really wasn't *that* complex. Brilliant, haunting, and mindblowing? Absolutely. The basic gist of what had "happened" isn't that hard to figure out.
Of course, it's all interpretation, isn't it?
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Saragossa Manuscript, The (1965)
I - THE FILM
The Saragossa Manuscript is a very entertaining film that two or three viewings will eventually allow you to understand fully. Its style mixes an easy congeniality and libertine spirit à la Tom Jones (1963) with elements of sophisticated comedy and slapstick commedia dell'arte, all delivered by an expert cast and imbued with a tangible sense of fun and mystery.
Some 150 years before Bram Stoker wrote of Dracula's exotic brides, this story centers around the efforts by a brave officer in mid-XVIIIth Century Spain to distance himself from ghosts or evil spirits that visit him every night and take the form of two charming Muslim sisters who want to be his lovers and bear his children, even in succubi form, and insist that he convert to Islam (a big no-no in these times). Those erotic (and heretic) reveries also have something to do with devilry and all things forbidden and his encounters with those women are encouraged by the mysterious figure of the Cabalist (another forbidden science) and his sister Rebecca and severely repressed by roaming members of the Catholic Inquisition. This framing story is the pretext for a series of very involving and amusing moral tales told in flashback by several participants, who all echo each other and whose moral seems to be that all religious and social prohibitions and ghost stories should be taken with a grain of salt. In this ocean of mystery and gothicism stands the figure of Don Pedro Velasquez, a bespectacled mathematician who befriends the hero and who seems the only character to believe in the cold light of reason (foreshadowings of Polanski's The Fearless Vampire Killers).
After several viewings, the only point in the film which remains mysterious is why Frasqueta's lover (Pena Flor) should appear with a bloodied face when he climbs in her bedroom through a window, a fact the viewer has to provide his own backstory for and which could be evidence that the original film was even longer than the 182 minutes at which it clocks in on the restored DVD edition. (Personal theory: Pena Flor really was Frasqueta's lover and the band of thugs Frasqueta hired to deceive her husband into believing he had paid to have his wife's lover killed really did attempt to kill him before he paid them to kill her husband instead.) Well, that and the fact that Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead, an early fan of the film and one the persons responsible for its restoration, was fond of quoting a scene from the film that doesn't seem to exist anymore (a character's confrontation with Death at the foot of his bed), although DVD Savant has a plausible explanation for this story ( http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s453sarag.html ), i.e. Garcia was thinking of another film (the Mexican film Macario, 1960).
II - THE DVD
This film was restored thanks to the efforts and money of Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola and the above-mentioned Jerry Garcia, and with the collaboration of the director. It was shot in Dyaliscope, the French CinemaScope equivalent, which is always projected at a standard 2.35:1 ratio. This "enhanced for widescreen TVs" DVD shows an image with a ratio of 2:1, which means that the picture information is still squeezed by a ratio of 1.15:1 in relation to the way it should be shown normally. In this presentation, the picture is "fish-eyed" and the characters and animals appear too slim. There is no way around this problem if you watch it on a 4:3 television set. However, if you own a widescreen TV, you can set-up your DVD player as for a standard 4:3 TV monitor and gently unsqueeze the resulting picture with any one of the "cheater" modes provided by your TV model to approximate a 2:35 presentation. There is no way of knowing if this drawback is the result of simple ignorance (mistaking the 2:1 squeeze of Dyaliscope with a 2:1 projection ratio) or of a compromise allowing to use the greater part of the TV screen in both 4:3 and 1.77:1 TV sets. It took me a long time to figure out this problem and I am glad to share this little trick with you.
This is how the picture appears on the DVD (2:1). It should be 2.35:1. I don't believe the image is cropped on the sides, just that it needs more unsqueezing. Note how the globe in the background is not a perfect circle.
This website helps in following the plot's twists and turns: http://www.ap.krakow.pl/nkja/literat...gossa/plot.htm
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