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Old 07-09-14, 09:05 PM   #76
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re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

I'm confused as to why people are saying that WB/HBO has TV on life support. They're releasing tons of shows on Blu-ray. Not sure why a combo pack is a sign of imminent demise.
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Old 07-09-14, 09:09 PM   #77
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Not sure why a combo pack is a sign of imminent demise.
Why do they have to resort to doing combo packs in the first place?
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Old 07-09-14, 09:12 PM   #78
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There's a PR release (recent one) for Twilight Zone: The Complete 80's Series and that one is getting a DVD only release.
To be fair, that's from an era when even stuff that was shot on film was almost always edited on video. That'd require a heckuva lot of time and money to bring to Blu-ray...basically reconstructing everything from scratch. Very few series can justify that expense, and the '80s-era Twilight Zone isn't one of 'em. (That said, even if HD masters were somehow already available, I bet it still would've been a DVD-only set.)

I agree about the general point, though, not that anyone was really arguing otherwise. I haven't counted or anything, but it sure seems like more series than not are DVD-only, even when zero additional effort would be required. To name just a few examples from a bunch of different studios, Parks and Rec (Universal), The New Girl (Fox), Community (Sony), and Pretty Little Liars (Warner) are DVD only, despite being available in high-def in basically every other medium.

Looking at the July release schedule on TVShowsOnDVD, 34 season/collections/whatever are being released this month. Only 8 are coming to Blu-ray, and many (most?) of the other series did originally air in high definition.
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Old 07-09-14, 09:14 PM   #79
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In the case of Warner/HBO, I don't believe the demise of tv on bluray is imminent.

If and when Warner eventually gives up on tv on bluray, hopefully it will be after "Person of Interest" is over and all the seasons are released on bluray

("Person of Interest" is the only current tv on bluray show I still buy).
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Old 07-09-14, 09:19 PM   #80
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I agree about the general point, though, not that anyone was really arguing otherwise. I haven't counted or anything, but it sure seems like more series than not are DVD-only, even when zero additional effort would be required. To name just a few examples from a bunch of different studios, Parks and Rec (Universal), The New Girl (Fox), Community (Sony), and Pretty Little Liars (Warner) are DVD only, despite being available in high-def in basically every other medium.
Disappointing, but not surprising at all.

A few years ago, I was hoping the revived Dallas would be released on bluray. But no dice.
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Old 07-09-14, 10:25 PM   #81
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As far as I know, Warner is still fully committed to television on Blu-ray. It's a much dicier proposition at the other studios. Don't expect much outside fantasy/sci-fi/premium cable series on BD in the future. Multi-disc Blu-ray sets were always a much larger financial commitment than DVD for the studios and sales are slipping when all these shows hit free streaming.
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Old 07-09-14, 10:53 PM   #82
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Why do they have to resort to doing combo packs in the first place?
I suspect it's for the usual reasons they did combo packs with DVDs. Helps to entice people who haven't gotten a BD player yet but plan on doing so in the future, gives people copies they can watch when they're in situations where they can play DVD but not Blu-ray, they're already printing plenty of DVDs so it likely doesn't cost them much to add them to the set and then charge a premium for it, etc. I don't see the existence of combo packs as a death knell for TV on BD at all. WB doesn't release all of their shows on BD, but they release a lot.
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I'd imagine that the expense of putting out combo packs for TV is more pricey than film though, simply by virtue of physically having more discs.
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Old 07-09-14, 11:26 PM   #84
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They're already pressing large quantities of these discs, and they're pressing them as full sets. What's a few more thousand? That's the point of mass producing things, it gets cheaper per unit the more units you make.
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Old 07-10-14, 03:28 AM   #85
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they're already printing plenty of DVDs so it likely doesn't cost them much to add them to the set and then charge a premium for it, etc.
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They're already pressing large quantities of these discs, and they're pressing them as full sets. What's a few more thousand? That's the point of mass producing things, it gets cheaper per unit the more units you make.
What is the unit cost per dvd disc that Warner is paying?
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The Following season 2

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Fol...Season-2/20029


The 100 season 1

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/100...-Box-Art/20028


Sleepy Hollow season 1

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Sle...-Release/20031


Homeland season 3

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hom...-Release/19996


Hell on Wheels season 3

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hel...-Release/19995



Are all getting Blu-Ray releases. HD programs getting released on BD is far from dead. It really just depends IMO on the popularity of the program, the ratings it gets, and obviously previous sales.

The 100 was one of the most talked about, buzzed new shows on The CW from this past season. It also got decent ratings, so I think getting a BD release isn't entirely surprising.
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Old 07-10-14, 04:02 AM   #87
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Don't expect much outside fantasy/sci-fi/premium cable series on BD in the future.
At the present time, the only current tv on bluray shows left which are outside of (more broadly) fantasy/sci-fi/superhero/nerdy/geeky + cable series, are:

(Sony)
- The Blacklist


(Fox)
- The Simpsons
- 24

(assuming the blurays are not officially discontinued yet)
- Modern Family
- Glee
- Bones


(Warner)
- The Following
- Person of Interest

(Lionsgate)
- Hannibal

(Paramount) (assuming the bluray is not officially discontinued yet)
- the revived Hawaii Five-0

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Old 07-10-14, 04:08 AM   #88
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The 100 was one of the most talked about, buzzed new shows on The CW from this past season. It also got decent ratings, so I think getting a BD release isn't entirely surprising.
Warner must be confident about the upcoming season 1 bluray of The 100, considering the bluray is not being "piggybacked" with a dvd copy.
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Old 07-10-14, 04:34 AM   #89
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Are all getting Blu-Ray releases. HD programs getting released on BD is far from dead.
For generic episodic procedural type shows (such as CSI, NCIS, etc ...), tv on bluray appears to be largely dead. (At least in america).

Though one could hope for possible future bluray titles of generic procedural shows, such as the upcoming "CSI: Cyber" spinoff. (I know, I know. Wishful thinking on my part).


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It really just depends IMO on the popularity of the program, the ratings it gets, and obviously previous sales.
I strongly suspect previous sales is the prime motivation for subsequent seasons, while genre + ratings/popularity may be the prime motivators for first seasons (ie. no previous sales data to go on).

There's very popular shows with decent ratings which don't have any bluray releases, such as NCIS. (NCIS still pulls in around 17-18 million viewers).

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Old 07-10-14, 05:07 AM   #90
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... while genre + ratings/popularity may be the prime motivators for first seasons (ie. no previous sales data to go on).
The movie companies seem to be willing to roll the dice on first season blurays for some cable shows (both premium and basic), such as (recently):


Fox
- The Bridge
- The Americans
- Fargo (no release date)

MGM
- Vikings

Paramount
- Ray Donovan

Sony
- Masters of Sex
- Helix

Universal
- Bates Motel

E-one
- From Dusk Till Dawn
- Bitten


The hope is to have a big hit on bluray like a Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, etc ... and not a bluray flop like "The Killing" or "Damages".

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There's very popular shows with decent ratings which don't have any bluray releases, such as NCIS. (NCIS still pulls in around 17-18 million viewers).
Despite its (inexplicable) huge popularity, NCIS has abysmal production values. HD broadcasts look like they were shot on 8mm film with thick goops of Vaseline smeared over the camera lens.

This would not be a very good candidate for Blu-ray.
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Old 07-10-14, 09:25 AM   #92
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Despite its (inexplicable) huge popularity, NCIS has abysmal production values. HD broadcasts look like they were shot on 8mm film with thick goops of Vaseline smeared over the camera lens.

This would not be a very good candidate for Blu-ray.
I agree.

Even watching recent seasons of NCIS in reruns (in hd resolution), the picture quality still looks soft and crappy. 24 hour news channels and live sports broadcasts in hd look a lot better than NCIS!

Another recent show that was like this, was "Burn Notice".

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Old 07-21-14, 09:34 AM   #93
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Always Sunny has really been hitting its stride the last few seasons (and last season was the show's best, IMO) so it should be no surprise that it looks like Fox is releasing it as DVD only in September.

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Sunny-P...Season-9/19990
Another one possibly bites the dust.

Rumblings of Modern Family season 5 being possibly dvd-only.

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Modern-...Season-5/20074
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I suppose the only saving grace is that they'll come with UV codes for HD, but hate not much consolation.
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Old 07-21-14, 10:19 AM   #95
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With season 6 of Glee being trimmed to 13 episodes, and the season 5 ratings cratering to 2-3 million viewers, it wouldn't be too surprising if Glee is the next casualty of Fox's bluray discontinuation rampage.

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Bob's Burgers (a show I love) had a legit season 1 dvd, but DVD-Rs of it's 2nd & 3rd seasons.

Besides them being cheaply produced shit, these DVD-Rs (and especially the Archive sets) are super expensive.
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It's going to suck if they stop releasing MODERN FAMILY on Blu-ray...one of the few TV comedies I actually collect on Blu-ray. I was surprised that BROOKLYN NINE-NINE is only getting the DVD treatment. I would have bought a Blu-ray release.
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I was surprised that BROOKLYN NINE-NINE is only getting the DVD treatment. I would have bought a Blu-ray release.
Yep, me too. I ended up buying the first season on iTunes instead.
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With season 6 of Glee being trimmed to 13 episodes, and the season 5 ratings cratering to 2-3 million viewers, it wouldn't be too surprising if Glee is the next casualty of Fox's bluray discontinuation rampage.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...isodes/281545/
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...e-count-717775
The music performances lend themselves well to BD, but yeah, I can't imagine the total sales as well as the buying demographic (I can see digital being especially high for this series) justifying the two formats.
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Another one possibly bites the dust.

Rumblings of Modern Family season 5 being possibly dvd-only.

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Modern-...Season-5/20074
Well, that sucks. That brings me up to five shows I'm stopping buying, including It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, The League, Wilfred & Louie.
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