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Old 07-04-14, 12:07 PM   #51
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Here's The League season 5 on Blu for pre-order.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...&tag=cheblo-20
That doesn't mean anything. All of the Fox shows that were now officially announced for DVD were initially announced by different ordering outlets to include both DVD and Blu-ray. There's no release date on the Amazon listing with a generic case mockup.
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I hope is just an oversight and they don't drop The League and Archer on Blu-ray.
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Old 07-04-14, 02:59 PM   #53
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I've bought all the Archer sets on blu, so I hope that continues.
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Old 07-04-14, 07:07 PM   #54
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If these recent possible bluray discontinuations turn out to be true in the end, then this is probably the last gasp of tv on bluray for current shows that are not sci-fi/fantasy or "premium cable". (At least in america).

One show to keep an eye on over the next year, is The Blacklist. If this "last gasp" conjecture has any truth, then it wouldn't be too surprising if season 2 of The Blacklist never sees a bluray version released (in America). (The season 1 bluray is being released next month on August 12).


In the case of Warner, at times I wonder why they're releasing some bluray season sets of current shows as bluray/dvd/digital combo packs. Since mid-2012, shows like: Person of Interest, Big Bang Theory, Revolution, The Following, Vampire Diaries, Arrow, etc ... have been done as bluray/dvd/+ combo packs. On the other hand during that same time period (since mid-2012), there were other shows that were not released as bluray/dvd/+ combo packs such as: Nikita, Fringe, Supernatural, Star Wars: Clone Wars, Falling Skies, Chuck, etc ...

The only semi-plausible explanation I can guess offhand, would be that Warner considers these bluray/dvd combo pack shows as "borderline" cases, where they don't have as much confidence in the season sets selling on their own as a bluray without a dvd copy.

In the cases of Nikita, Fringe, Chuck, and Star Wars: Clone Wars being released as a bluray without a dvd copy, I strongly suspect they were released in this manner because these shows were ending anyways in 2012 or 2013. There was probably no point anymore in "piggybacking" the bluray with a dvd copy, as an attempt to attract new customers to buy the bluray of a tv show that is ending its run.

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Old 07-05-14, 02:00 PM   #55
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On the surface, it appears Warner's way of dealing with some tv bluray season sets, is releasing them through "Warner Archive". They already made several tv on bluray releases over the last 8+ months in this manner:

Longmire - seasons 1 + 2
Beware the Batman - season 1 parts 1 and 2
Green Lantern: The Animated Series
Batman The Brave and The Bold - season 1
The Mentalist - season 1

shop.warnerarchive.com/category/television/tv+on+blu-ray.do?nType=2

I wouldn't be surprised if Warner ends up dumping some more upcoming tv bluray seasons sets into their Warner Archive service, for titles which they don't have much confidence in. (ie. Instead of doing a wide general release).
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Old 07-05-14, 02:34 PM   #56
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Warner's strategy depends on whether they believe retail chains will carry the item. It is all tied to skus and what the corporate buyers for Walmart and Target deem worthy for carriage. I think Warner was hoping a single combined sku would get a few DVD buyers to pick up the more expensive BD set. I know they view the BD + DVD + DC sets as an added promotional feature meant to juice sales. When first-week buyers are dropping $40 for a season, they want the illusion of a good perceived value.
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Old 07-05-14, 02:49 PM   #57
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Adding more fuel to the Fox fire, one can speculate on the fate of Fox's remaining bluray tv shows. Over the next year or so (late-2014 -> 2015), possible tv on bluray releases are:

Sons of Anarchy - season 7
Homeland - season 4

- I can see SoA and Homeland being released on bluray next year. (ie. Final season of SoA, and Homeland being on premium cable).


The Bridge - season 2
The Americans - season 2

- For these FX shows The Bridge and The Americans, I suspect it may be a toss-up. (I watched The Americans, but only saw the first episode of The Bridge). Hard to say whether either show will continue on with bluray.


Legit - season 2

- Legit was cancelled on May 14, 2014. I wouldn't be surprised if season 2 ends up suffering the same fate as the third seasons of Louie and Wilfred (ie. dvd-only and/or dvd-mod).


Archer - season 5
The Simpsons
Futurama

- I have never seen Archer. (So I can't comment on it).
- I don't watch The Simpsons or Futurama these days.
(Somebody else can speculate on these shows).
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Old 07-05-14, 04:17 PM   #58
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The Bridge - season 2
The Americans - season 2

- For these FX shows The Bridge and The Americans, I suspect it may be a toss-up. (I watched The Americans, but only saw the first episode of The Bridge). Hard to say whether either show will continue on with bluray.
ie. Fox has an extensive track record of discontinuing the bluray of "basic cable" and network shows after releasing a single bluray season set.

2012
- The Killing (season 1)

2010
- Stargate Universe (season 1)
- White Collar (season 1)

2009
- The Unit (season 4)
- How I Met Your Mother (season 4)
- My Name Is Earl (season 4)
- Lie To Me (season 1)
- Burn Notice (season 2)
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Old 07-05-14, 05:34 PM   #59
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Warner's strategy depends on whether they believe retail chains will carry the item. It is all tied to skus and what the corporate buyers for Walmart and Target deem worthy for carriage. I think Warner was hoping a single combined sku would get a few DVD buyers to pick up the more expensive BD set. I know they view the BD + DVD + DC sets as an added promotional feature meant to juice sales. When first-week buyers are dropping $40 for a season, they want the illusion of a good perceived value.
Perhaps the bluray/dvd/digital combo packs may very well be for enticing the first week/month buyers.

Been noticing most of Warner's 2012 -> early-2014 tv seasons sets which were originally released as bluray/dvd/digital combo packs, were re-released 5+ months later as bluray-only sets without the dvd and/or digital copies. In particular:

re-released on Oct 1, 2013
The Big Bang Theory - seasons 1 and 2 (originally released Jul 10, 2012)


re-released on Jan 28, 2014
The Vampire Diaries - season 3 (originally released Sep 11, 2012)


re-released on Feb 4, 2014
The Vampire Diaries - season 4 (originally released Sep 3, 2013)
Person of Interest - season 2 (originally released Sep 3, 2013)
Revolution - season 1 (originally released Sep 3, 2013)

The Big Bang Theory - season 6 (originally released Sep 10, 2013)
Arrow - season 1 (originally released Sep 17, 2013)


re-released on June 10, 2014
The Following - season 1 (originally released Jan 7, 2014)
Shameless - season 3 (originally released Dec 17, 2013)


After 5+ months on the market, there's probably no point anymore in "piggybacking" the bluray with dvd and/or digital copies.

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Old 07-06-14, 06:33 AM   #60
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Legit - season 2

- Legit was cancelled on May 14, 2014. I wouldn't be surprised if season 2 ends up suffering the same fate as the third seasons of Louie and Wilfred (ie. dvd-only and/or dvd-mod).


Archer - season 5
The Simpsons
Futurama

- I have never seen Archer. (So I can't comment on it).
- I don't watch The Simpsons or Futurama these days.
(Somebody else can speculate on these shows).
Legit S2 will almost certainly be an MOD DVD set only.

Futurama is complete now, the remaining question is whether the original four seasons will get a Blu release somewhen (my guess is not, though; if they were going to do it I think they would've last year, in time for the Complete Series DVD release).

I suspect The Americans, The Simpsons and Archer will continue to get BD releases, but that's just a gut hunch.

In terms of Fox catalogue, I think The X-Files is extremely likely to be the only new-to-BD title from them this year/next year.
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Old 07-06-14, 01:52 PM   #61
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The available retail space is shrinking for these expensive television sets. The Blu-ray sets acted as free advertising to a certain demographic but the studios now feel putting a television show on Amazon Prime and the like is a better way to build support for a show among the same demographic.

If an independent distributor was handling them, they still likely sell enough to be profitable.
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Adding more fuel to the Fox fire, one can speculate on the fate of Fox's remaining bluray tv shows. Over the next year or so (late-2014 -> 2015), possible tv on bluray releases are:

Sons of Anarchy - season 7
Sons of Anarchy is one of FX's most popular shows.

Season 6 is getting a BD release on August 26th.



http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Son...Season-6/19966

I can 100% guarantee you that season 7 is getting one too, especially since it's the final season. No need to even speculate on that one.
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- I have never seen Archer. (So I can't comment on it).
- I don't watch The Simpsons or Futurama these days.
(Somebody else can speculate on these shows).
I would guess that The Simpsons will continue to get Blu-ray releases for their seasons. They've been doing both Blu-ray and DVD editions from season thirteen to sixteen plus the release of the twentieth season. My guess is the seasons sell well enough on Blu-ray or they wouldn't continue them this long.

Futurama as was stated is already over. The new seasons and the direct to Blu-ray/DVD films are probably all we'll get in Blu-ray form. I doubt Fox will revisit the older seasons.
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Old 07-07-14, 07:46 AM   #64
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Sons of Anarchy is one of FX's most popular shows.

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I can 100% guarantee you that season 7 is getting one too, especially since it's the final season.
In addition.

In principle it also gives Fox the opportunity to eventually produce a complete series bluray set with special exclusive limited edition packaging (such as what Sony did for Breaking Bad with the barrel).

(If for no other reason, I suspect a secondary purpose of "complete series" sets, is another way of clearing out old inventory from the warehouse that has been collecting dust for several years).

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Old 07-07-14, 08:19 AM   #65
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On a similar line of thought, other long running bluray tv shows which are confirmed to be ending soon and might be viable as possible "complete series" sets (with or without special limited edition packaging).

- Mad Men (season 7) (Lionsgate)
- Justified (season 6) (Sony)
- Boardwalk Empire (season 5) (HBO)
- True Blood (season 7) (HBO)

(less certain)
- Cinemax's Strike Back (season 4) (Warner/HBO)
- The Newsroom (season 3) (HBO)
- remake of Being Human (season 4) (E-one)

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In the cases of Nikita, Fringe, Chuck, and Star Wars: Clone Wars being released as a bluray without a dvd copy, I strongly suspect they were released in this manner because these shows were ending anyways in 2012 or 2013. There was probably no point anymore in "piggybacking" the bluray with a dvd copy, as an attempt to attract new customers to buy the bluray of a tv show that is ending its run.
Looking more closely at some Warner/HBO shows which have been confirmed to be ending soon, this may possibly also be happening.

Previous seasons of "Boardwalk Empire" (seasons 1 to 3) and "True Blood" (seasons 1 to 5) were all released previously as bluray/dvd/digital combo packs. But the next-to-final seasons of season 4 for "Boardwalk Empire" and season 6 of "True Blood", have only been (or will be) released as bluray + digital copy without any dvd copies.

Cinemax's Strike Back season 2 was released (on August 6, 2013) only as bluray + digital copy without any dvd copies, while season 1 was released as a bluray/dvd/digital combo pack. (Did Warner's home video division get wind that Strike Back was going to be cancelled, before the official cancellation announcement on October 28, 2013?)

With these observations, wonder if season 2 of "The Newsroom" will also be released as bluray + digital copy without any dvd copies. (Season 1 was released as a bluray/dvd/digital combo pack).


In practice, it probably wouldn't be too surprising if bluray/dvd/digital combo packs are not making much of a difference with first week/month buyers, once it is already known that a tv show is ending its run.

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Old 07-08-14, 02:13 AM   #67
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(Going on a tangent).

Over this year so far, there were many current (and potential) tv bluray season sets I have thought about purchasing, but in the end have passed (or will pass) on them. Not even at below $15-$20 each.

Stuff like:

Homeland - seasons 2 and 3
The Following - seasons 1 and 2
Under The Dome - season 1
Defiance - season 1
Helix - season 1
Agents of SHIELD - season 1
Revolution - seasons 1 and 2
Mad Men - seasons 5 and 6

The Americans - season 1
Continuum - seasons 1 and 2
Orphan Black - seasons 1 and 2
The Blacklist - season 1

With the exception of latter ^ four shows, I found the writing was rather lackluster in these shows. Especially "Under The Dome" and Defiance.

In the case of The Americans, as much as I liked watching the episodes in their original first-runs, I found that they didn't have much re-watch value for me. (Such as watching them again consecutively when they were ran as an all-day marathon on FX).

In the cases of The Blacklist, Orphan Black, and Continuum, I've seen just about every episode two or three (or four) times already. For these three shows, I've found they don't have much re-watch value anymore for me. (Such as watching Orphan Black or Continuum as consecutive episodes in some all-day marathons).

Over the rest of this year, the bluray tv season sets I plan on buying (or considering) are:

Nikita - season 4
Person of Interest - season 3

(considering)
Spartacus - complete series (if the packaging isn't complete shit)
Cinemax's Strike Back - seasons 2 and 3 (or maybe wait for a possible complete series set next year)

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Spartacus - complete series (if the packaging isn't complete shit)
(Going offtopic and more elaboration on this).

When I first purchased a bluray player (back in late 2011), season 1 and the prequel of Spartacus were two titles I was looking forward to buying at the time. But after reading a lot of complaints on amazon about technical problems/defects for the season 1 blurays, I didn't end up buying them.

Since then, numerous additional complaints were piling up after 2011, about the season 1 blurays still being defective.

(I didn't really like seasons 2 and 3, and so I didn't really pay attention to the bluray sets of seasons 2 and 3). No point in buying only season 1, if it's the one with the most complaints about about technical problems/defects.


I'll be waiting for reviews after the upcoming Spartacus "complete series" set is released (on September 16, 2014), largely to see whether technical problems/defects still plague these bluray discs, and if the packaging is still in the crappy "digibook" style.

(I grew to really hate digibook style packaging, where it is difficult to take the discs out of the sleeves, with a high potential of the discs being scratched in the process. Other examples of this style of crappy "digibook" packaging are the Star Wars "complete saga" and Indiana Jones "complete adventures" bluray sets).


If technical problems/defects still plague these Spartacus bluray discs (from the upcoming "complete series" set), then I mind as well just buy the dvd versions (when they hit below $7 or $8), or watch it via streaming. No point anymore in wasting time and $$$ on defective bluray discs.
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In practice, it probably wouldn't be too surprising if bluray/dvd/digital combo packs are not making much of a difference with first week/month buyers, once it is already known that a tv show is ending its run.
One glaring counterexample to this assertion, is the upcoming season 2 release of Revolution. Assuming Warner doesn't change the format at the last minute, it will be released as a bluray/dvd/digital combo pack next month (on August, 19 2014).

One semi-plausible explanation I can guess offhand for this final season of Revolution being released as a bluray/dvd/digital combo pack (and not as a bluray/digital set without a dvd copy), is that season 1 possibly sold well enough, but Warner is still not confident of the season 2 bluray selling on its own without a dvd copy. (In addition to Walmart/Target possibly only willing to carry it as a bluray/dvd/digital combo pack).


If I had to guess of other Warner bluray tv shows which might end up falling into this same pattern, it would be shows like "Person of Interest" and "The Big Bang Theory". Both are CBS network shows where the former is a procedural while the latter is a very popular sitcom, with a slight sci-fi or nerdy/geeky themes.
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The official press release for It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Season 9 was released today and it is DVD only. I think it's safe to say Fox is pretty much abandoning TV on BD.
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I think it's safe to say Fox is pretty much abandoning TV on BD.
It will be even more interesting to see if and when Warner also finally abandons tv on bluray.

Possible future discontinuation candidates to watch closely would be those tv shows released as bluray/dvd/digital combo packs, such as: The Big Bang Theory, Person of Interest, The Following, etc ...

At the present time, the only continuing shows on bluray which Warner has (so far) never went the bluray/dvd/digital combo pack route, are: Supernatural, Falling Skies, and Longmire. (I strongly suspect there is no point in doing bluray/dvd/digital combo packs for "Warner Archive" titles, such as Longmire seasons 1 + 2).


I suspect many of these Warner bluray/dvd/digital combo pack tv shows would probably have never been released on bluray, if the bluray/dvd/digital combo pack wasn't an option.

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I think The Big Bang Theory will be one of the last shows to be dropped from BD. It's the most popular show on TV (or is that Two and a Half Men?).
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It's kind of perversely ironic that now that home video has finally reached such a high standard, the market has difficulty supporting the format .
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It's kind of perversely ironic that now that home video has finally reached such a high standard, the market has difficulty supporting the format .
In the case of Warner/HBO, tv on bluray is possibly on "life support" with the bluray/dvd/digital combo packs.

From the other studios, it's been mostly slim pickings outside of some cable shows and sci-fi/fantasy.
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There's a PR release (recent one) for Twilight Zone: The Complete 80's Series and that one is getting a DVD only release.

I also saw that Cinedigm took over a bunch of TV properties (from Mill Creek, maybe?) and those are also just DVD only versions. This is definitely not restricted to JUST FX.
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