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Old 07-26-17, 09:57 AM   #576
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

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... Who doesn't own a Blu Ray player of some sort by 2017?
Off the top of my head...

My dad
My sister
My brother-in-law
My daughter

And were I to ask around at work I'm positive I'd come away with at least a 50% non-owner ratio.
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Old 07-26-17, 10:10 AM   #577
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

Yeah, tons of people I know (well to do, no deadbeats) do not have blu-ray players.

It doesn't even matter how little they cost - they're not interested in plugging in yet another device into their TV.
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Old 07-26-17, 10:15 AM   #578
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

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That blows my mind -- they master them in HD and the packaging is standard, unlike the DVDs. Who doesn't own a Blu Ray player of some sort by 2017? How much could it possibly cost to manufacture the Blu Rays if you're putting out the DVDs?
Blu-rays are an entire additional authoring/mastering/pressing cost, and studios view it as an additional SKU that they then have to get retailers to agree to stock, and mostly just splits the sales between the two SKUs instead of significantly increasing sales. So it's additional upfront costs and more distribution overhead with limited increase in sales to justify it.

And I know a lot of people who don't own a Blu-ray player. Outside of the enthusiast crowd, a lot of people basically skipped Blu-ray and went from DVD to streaming.

It's basic lowest-common denominator. Not everyone can play Blu-rays, and not everywhere, but anyone with a Blu-ray player can also play DVDs.
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Old 07-26-17, 10:17 AM   #579
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

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Yeah, tons of people I know (well to do, no deadbeats) do not have blu-ray players.

It doesn't even matter how little they cost - they're not interested in plugging in yet another device into their TV.
To be fair, it could replace their existing DVD player. But most will only be interested in doing that once their DVD player eventually dies.
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Old 07-26-17, 10:28 AM   #580
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

And even then, when their DVD player dies, they may ask themselves how often they really throw a disc in anyway. If they haven't watched a DVD in more than a year, it's pretty unlikely that they'll even bother replacing the player at all.
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Old 07-26-17, 11:01 AM   #581
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

The only reason my father has a bluray player is because I purchased it for him.

In addition, the only reason my father ever uses the bluray player, is because I buy for him various blurays of classic movies from his youth. He gives me lists of titles to look out for on bluray (or dvd).

Otherwise, I don't have many local family/friends/acquaintances who have bluray players at home.
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Old 07-26-17, 11:22 AM   #582
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

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Does anyone have the sale number of Seasons 14-17 & 20 DVD vs BR?
Short of Fox publicly disclosing such figures, the only individuals who would know them for sure are the bean counters in the CFO's office and possibly some other C-level suite executives at Fox. So far they are tight lipped on this.


(With that being said).

If you're willing wade through older posts on this thread, awhile back I went through some figures from various semi-unreliable sources online which were easily available. From that analysis, I got the impression Fox may be looking for sales figures of 10,000+ copies for a new bluray release within the first month or so. Otherwise if they don't believe a title can move more than 10,000 copies on bluray within the first month or so, then they won't release it themselves.


For the other guys (ie. Sony, Paramount, Universal, Warner, etc ...), the same analysis suggests they'll only release a new bluray title if they think it will sell more than 5,000-10,000 copies within the first month or so.

In the case of Warner tv on bluray sets, I'm guessing Warner is looking to move at least 5,000 copies within the first month or so. (Dunno about Warner Archive).

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Old 07-26-17, 02:17 PM   #583
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

A couple of things. It's possible Fox doesn't view the DVDs as threatening their HD syndication numbers in the same way a Blu-ray set would.

The second factor is retail. Shelf space for Blu-ray television has practically disappeared outside very popular HBO releases. If Walmart passes on carrying a product, a studio may just cancel it.

Retail availability still drives online sales for mainstream, mass-market titles. Most normal people aren't obsessively checking studio release schedules. When they see a set available in stores, they'll go home and order from Amazon.
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Old 07-26-17, 02:34 PM   #584
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

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The only reason my father has a bluray player is because I purchased it for him.

In addition, the only reason my father ever uses the bluray player, is because I buy for him various blurays of classic movies from his youth. He gives me lists of titles to look out for on bluray (or dvd).

Otherwise, I don't have many local family/friends/acquaintances who have bluray players at home.
I thought you were going to say that the only reason he watches them is because you put them in the tray for him.

I lent a friend a BD copy of Chuck and had to remind them that they could play it on their XB1 console.
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Old 07-26-17, 03:14 PM   #585
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I lent a friend a BD copy of Chuck and had to remind them that they could play it on their XB1 console...
...after they go online and download the free Blu-ray player app from the store. Blu-ray/DVD playback isn't even built-in.
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Old 07-27-17, 06:10 PM   #586
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

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That blows my mind -- they master them in HD and the packaging is standard, unlike the DVDs. Who doesn't own a Blu Ray player of some sort by 2017? How much could it possibly cost to manufacture the Blu Rays if you're putting out the DVDs?

Why would you expect a blu-ray when the episodes weren't even produced in HD until season 20?
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Old 07-27-17, 07:03 PM   #587
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

Same reason we received Blu-rays of seasons thirteen through seventeen? They aren't in HD granted but still look good.
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Old 07-28-17, 02:43 AM   #588
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

They definitely look like HD masters- though I'll admit to just checking out parts of season 13 and not having watched all of them yet. Turns out the seasons on Vudu are CROPPED BTW, and extra bonus if you got the SD seasons earlier they've now been upgraded to the cropped versions gratis!
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Old 07-28-17, 10:47 AM   #589
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Re: Why isn't TV-on-Blu-ray getting any love? (was: FX)

Are the Simpsons Seasons 1-19 marked as SD still cropped on Vudu?
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