Lt Ripley

A quick quote from that:
TOBE HOOPER: Working with the color grading, working with the 7.1 sound mix, working with very good people. It was the work a director should do to keep his film preserved. I’m not tooting my own horn — well, I am — but there are other directors that saw [the restoration] and there is a great deal of excitement from them."

Tobe, listen carefully, this film did not have any greenish hues in it. James Cameron is an asshole for what he did to Aliens. You don't want to be an asshole too.

hanshotfirst1138

He fucked up Aliens? Thought it was T1. Another DVD I need to keep .

Lt Ripley

There was no greenish teal in Aliens. The lab room with the fachuggers had a pinkish glow originally. The blu-ray is cleaned up nicely, but the color-grading is disgusting. It is much worse on Aliens than what he did to T1.

Solid Snake

Whoa now. Color grading. Fuuuuuuck. I'm scared now.

Adam Tyner

Essentially every movie that's ever been transferred from one medium to another goes through color grading. That goes back decades and decades and decades, way before home video or anything even a little bit digital.

I mean, there could be some revisionist screwups in there, but that's not inherently what color grading is or anything.

Lt Ripley

Yeah, it's only a problem if it comes across as revisionist.

Solid Snake

True... but lately someone mentions they're working with the colors and... Well... It gets scary. Friedkin better not fuck up Sorcerer. Comes out next month, no?

Adam Tyner

It sounds like they're doing the right thing:

Also from that article:

One, you can make the oversampling argument, although I don't know how much of a practical difference that'd make here. Two, there's no negative for 'Saw, so they might be doing this for archival purposes too. Three, if the sample images at Bloody Disgusting are any indications, it looks like they might be scanning the full ~1.33:1 image rather than just extracting the center, and I can see how that would make 4K more appealing...gives you more options. Four, MPI/Dark Sky doesn't have a huge library or anything, so it's not as if this 4K transfer is coming at the expense of a more worthy movie.

Lt Ripley

Nice!

Solid Snake

Nice. Indeed.

hanshotfirst1138

True, but it does seem that increasingly, it's used for revisionism in the digital age, so it's understandable why some fans get a little nervous.

It's dated a bit in places, but served to be hugely influential, and while some aspects of it haven't held up well, the very raw tone is still fairly unique, and some of the imagery is still pretty effective.

I've seen some mighty pretty 2K scans. You are right though wouldn't 4K be even more resolution than the negative is capable of?

It is sort of ironic that many horror movies shot in raggedy, grainy 16mm- The Evil Dead, Dog Soldiers, The Hills Have Eyes, The Last House on the Left, The Crazies, etc. which were done purely out of financial necessity have now become something of an aesthetic choice which many now try to emulate.

Damn, that sucks. I guess I'll hang onto my Quadrilogy boxed set then. Why the hell can't Cameron leave well enough alone? Again, I suppose it's the dark side of digital. Lets change it! Why? Because we can! Do you have any pics? And I'm betting a re-release of it with the proper color timing wouldn't be anywhere in sight even if Cameron did get his head out.

PhantomStranger

Yeah, I realize it's probably an archival thing as much as anything else. You never know what could happen to the surviving film elements and it's better to have them stored in a 4K scan.

Lt Ripley

It didn't just look like that on DVD, VHS, etc. It looked like that theatrically. When they discover the lab with the huggers, the pinkish red gave off a sense of danger, now Camtard makes it look like Burke has the flu.

hanshotfirst1138

God, that is hideous. Fucking Cameron. And after he spoke out against Lucas too. Digital is great for many reasons, but this kind of revisionism is a very dark side effect, IMO.

Anyway, what is OAR for TCM? I think most of the DVD releases have been 1.78.

Why So Blu?

I like the left one. Why is it pink on the right? There's no sense of "danger" in that one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for tampering with the visual aesthetic of a film, and I'm not one of these teal and orange defenders but the Alien's Blu-ray looks great.

Mike86

That Aliens change is pretty drastic. I guess I haven't watched an older older copy of the film and am not that hardcore of a fan of the franchise so I didn't notice it. I do admit I sort of like the re-done image a bit more but I'm not a fan of changes of any sort being made unless there's an option to get the original version alongside the re-done version.

inri222

The OAR for TCM is 1.85:1

hanshotfirst1138

So 1.78 is basically correct. Got to see a midnight screening recently, was pretty jazzed. Sadly turned out yah at they were just projecting the DVD, but it was a college town, so fun crowd. People who actually knew what I was talking about . Wonder if they'll do a DCP of the new encode?

Solid Snake

Yeah. the original BD has that OAR.

Lt Ripley

Teal in new films doesn't bother me, it's how they are being filmed.

Red, it's subliminal. Danger, stop signs, fire trucks, warning labels, etc. Teal in Aliens, subliminal for you better go buy your Viagra.

Anxious to hear reports after the Monday night showing of TCM.

Why So Blu?

Red, yes. Red also makes people hungry, The way it's framed in that Aliens screengrab is more of a hot pink. There's no danger there. Obviously it's different in context and I owned the original DVD quadrilogy but in no way am I affected by the remastering of the Blu-ray.

Matthew Chmiel

In regards to Aliens, the film was shot on Eastman Color High Speed Kodak 5294 (T400). A film stock that came out prior to filming and was discontinued shortly thereafter due to the amount of issues filmmakers were having with it.

I personally have no problems with the Blu-ray as it actually looks great based upon the fact the source material is shit. Fox and Cameron took care of the materials. The same couldn't be said for Demons 2 (despite the awesome job Synapse did with what they were given).

Lt Ripley

It didn't magically alter colors. Aliens wasn't intended to look teal. It's like going back and adding drastically gated snare to every Beatles song.

hanshotfirst1138

Especially since all previous video releases haven't looked that way, no any projected prints. And given that Cameron did the same to T1, it's clearly a brand of revisionism which he wants to practice.

orangerunner

It does have a certain cultural significance as it is taking a permanent place in New York's Museum of Modern Art.

I'm sure many films will be getting a 4K (and an 8K, 16K 32K etc) in the future
regardless of the perceived quality of the film. I imagine when projected on a big theatre screen it will certainly benefit from 4K.