Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
07-08-15, 12:55 PM
#2626
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
After 9 years I thought 26% is pretty bad - but on a unit bases, the situation is actually worse than I thought.
Still surprised we have a thread for BD sales. If it hasn't taken over the market after 9 years, then what hope is their at this point? This is as good as it gets.
07-08-15, 01:44 PM
#2627
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
When UHD blu ray comes out (if it does) its numbers will look like shit and shave away from blu-ray.
07-08-15, 01:48 PM
#2628
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I think they'll just lump it in with regular BD. Titles will probably come out as combo-packs anyway, so they'll just classify it all as Blu-ray. No need to draw attention to a fraction of a (pathetic) fraction.
07-08-15, 03:04 PM
#2629
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I'm sure they'll spin the numbers such as one week they sell 100 units and the next week they sell 200 units while claiming it's the fastest growing disc format because it increased by 100%!!
07-08-15, 03:10 PM
#2630
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Can I really see myself upgrading mediocre titles like Thrashin', Johnny Be Good and Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man for $20 a piece when I have the mostly unwatched DVDs gathering dust on my shelf?
They were a good deal when I bought them for a buck but...
07-08-15, 03:53 PM
#2631
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I hope they (HMM) have a separate category so we can see how it's doing. Not that it's going to revive physical media any. On the contrary, it make help accelerate the decline in making it more plain the futility of collecting movies (unless they are rental priced), as new formats are introduced every 9-10 years.
07-09-15, 04:25 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
An interesting read...
"Millennials aren’t keen on entertainment ownership..."
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/str...kers-say-36212
"Millennials aren’t keen on entertainment ownership..."
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/str...kers-say-36212
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07-09-15, 05:03 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
It's not really that surprising. People here have an unusually high interest in physical media, and since there's less and less reason to buy on release date, people like to be aware of the price drops.
07-15-15, 07:28 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Updated thru week ending 7/4/15
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Code:
Week Date OD OD YoY DVD DVD YoY BD BD YoY BD Share TBO2015 TBO2014 2015 HMM 2683.96 -15.6% 1841.07 -15.2% 842.91 -16.3% 31.4% 4941.5 5012.6 Q2 HMM 1105.9 -20.0% 776.74 -19.3% 329.15 -21.7% 29.8% 1763.1 1836.5 26 7/4 80.04 -10.1% 59.99 -9.6% 20.05 -11.6% 25.0 % 115.1 4.7 25 6/27 76.22 -21.3% 56.18 -16.9% 20.04 -31.5% 26.3 % 0.1 121.6 24 6/20 96.47 -18.9% 64.82 -15.8% 31.65 -24.5% 32.8 % 100.5 317.6 23 6/13 90.01 -21.9% 61.54 -19.8% 28.47 -26.0% 31.6 % 185.5 145.4 22 6/6 97.72 -12.0% 65.23 -11.7% 32.49 -12.6% 33.2 % 308.9 243.4 21 5/30 83.37 0.7% 58.42 -3.7% 24.95 12.7% 29.9 % 23.6 23.6 20 5/23 75.28 -15.7% 55.22 -13.6% 20.06 -20.9% 26.6 % 375.9 189.1 19 5/16 86.81 2.2% 60.42 -2.7% 26.39 15.3% 30.4 % 34.3 72.1 18 5/9 100.88 10.2% 66.77 -0.7% 34.11 40.2% 33.8 % 251.6 5.7 17 5/2 79.35 -10.8% 57.24 -12.2% 22.11 -6.8% 27.9 % 225.1 51.6 16 4/25 80.42 -10.4% 57.62 -11.9% 22.80 -6.5% 28.4 % 91.6 0.1 15 4/18 76.44 -56.7% 54.38 -55.8% 22.06 -58.7% 28.9 % 43.1 296.7 14 4/11 82.89 -44.1% 58.91 -37.0% 23.97 -56.2% 28.9 % 7.8 365.0 Q1 HMM 1578.06 -12.1% 1064.33 -11.9% 513.76 -12.4% 32.6% 3178.4 3176.1 13 4/4 150.33 10.2% 99.28 9.4% 51.05 11.8% 34.0 % 332.0 165.9 12 3/28 145.19 -3.0% 90.83 -9.0% 54.36 9.1% 37.4 % 498.8 187.9 11 3/21 112.10 -53.7% 76.52 -45.3% 35.58 -65.1% 31.7 % 260.4 643.5 10 3/14 119.66 -11.6% 81.16 -13.1% 38.50 -8.3% 32.2 % 113.4 66.6 9 3/7 139.83 -1.7% 91.54 -14.1% 48.29 -18.6% 34.5 % 350.9 490.2 8 2/28 151.40 -2.6% 95.11 -3.3% 56.32 -1.4% 37.2 % 303.3 506.5 7 2/21 120.65 -5.2% 82.04 -7.6% 38.61 0.3% 32.0 % 216.5 0.2 6 2/14 129.22 -17.1% 91.16 -18.0% 38.06 -12.9% 29.5 % 126.3 162.8 5 2/7 120.93 3.2% 84.14 -0.7% 36.79 13.4% 30.4 % 184.4 147.1 4 1/31 110.66 0.4% 75.00 -3.0% 35.67 8.3% 32.2 % 192.8 319.5 3 1/24 100.24 4.2% 68.82 -1.4% 31.43 18.8% 31.4 % 273.7 196.0 2 1/17 89.84 -15.3% 65.07 -14.6% 24.76 -17.2% 27.6 % 201.2 261.7 1 1/10 87.99 -10.9% 63.66 -11.4% 24.34 -9.5% 27.7 % 124.8 28.2 2014 HMM 6783.24 -10.1% 4661.69 -11.0% 2121.58 -7.9% 31.3% 10450.6 10589.2 Q4 HMM 2267.71 -14.1% 1540.94 -13.0% 726.79 -16.4% 32.0% 3157.4 3445.0 52 1/3 121.21 -4.4% 83.90 -6.1% 37.31 -0.5% 30.8 % 103.7 24.5 51 12/27 263.04 -3.6% 182.27 -3.0% 80.77 -4.8% 30.7 % 7.1 83.9 50 12/20 306.48 -20.8% 206.91 -21.0% 99.57 -20.5% 32.5 % 343.4 406.9 49 12/13 248.11 -24.8% 161.33 -20.5% 86.78 -31.7% 35.0 % 409.4 618.1 48 12/6 203.22 -11.9% 139.51 -8.0% 63.71 -19.3% 31.4 % 291.0 235.1 47 11/29 329.76 -11.5% 226.35 -10.7% 103.42 -13.4% 31.4 % 165.5 80.0 46 11/22 128.77 -17.6% 90.97 -14.0% 37.81 -25.2% 29.4 % 324.7 354.1 45 11/15 138.26 -8.0% 90.36 -4.8% 47.90 -13.5% 34.6 % 391.5 380.3 44 11/8 128.78 2.9% 83.10 -5.6% 45.68 22.9% 35.5 % 408.5 209.3 43 11/1 88.60 -31.4% 66.32 -24.2% 22.28 -46.6% 25.1 % 65.1 302.2 42 10/25 93.20 -14.2% 66.38 -15.6% 26.82 -10.5% 28.8 % 157.1 212.5 41 10/18 112.00 -14.9% 72.69 -17.5% 39.31 -9.5% 35.1 % 347.4 293.7 40 10/11 106.28 -10.8% 70.85 -12.9% 35.43 -6.1% 33.3 % 182.9 244.6 Q3 HMM 1320.38 -8.6% 935.73 -8.5% 384.66 -9.1% 29.1% 2295.1 2305.5 39 10/4 113.89 -18.5% 73.80 -12.6% 40.09 -27.5% 35.2 % 278.5 288.6 38 9/27 97.15 -22.7% 69.79 -11.9% 27.37 -41.1% 28.2 % 155.7 414.8 37 9/20 120.20 5.5% 80.61 2.8% 39.59 11.5% 32.9 % 391.2 213.6 36 9/13 111.46 -16.0% 73.15 -14.5% 38.31 -18.7% 34.4 % 285.5 239.8 35 9/6 88.74 -18.9% 68.01 -17.8% 20.73 -22.1% 23.4 % 40.0 123.9 34 8/30 97.67 -16.3% 71.81 -15.8% 25.85 -17.5% 26.5 % 67.6 197.5 33 8/23 103.27 0.9% 70.74 -7.8% 32.53 27.1% 31.5 % 217.1 146.6 32 8/16 99.46 -2.2% 72.02 -4.6% 27.44 4.9% 27.6 % 93.1 130.3 31 8/9 111.46 4.8% 78.38 4.2% 33.08 6.2% 29.7 % 283.2 136.9 30 8/2 100.58 -3.3% 73.19 -2.7% 27.40 -4.7% 27.2 % 187.2 125.4 29 7/26 99.91 8.7% 73.88 3.1% 26.03 28.5% 26.1 % 147.6 3.9 28 7/19 96.55 -5.0% 69.59 -8.5% 26.96 5.5% 27.9 % 133.9 159.9 27 7/12 80.04 -19.4% 60.76 -20.2% 19.28 -16.8% 24.1 % 14.6 124.3 Q2 HMM 1381.45 -1.7% 961.09 -5.7% 420.37 8.6% 30.4% 1833.8 1735.1 26 7/5 88.88 -11.2% 66.22 -15.0% 22.66 2.3% 25.5 % 4.6 1.1 25 6/28 96.64 -0.7% 67.38 -8.4% 29.26 23.1% 30.3 % 121.6 78.1 24 6/21 118.84 8.1% 76.92 -2.9% 41.93 36.6% 35.3 % 316.3 135.0 23 6/14 115.15 -21.0% 76.72 -21.8% 38.43 -19.4% 33.4 % 144.9 334.5 22 6/7 110.91 -9.8% 73.74 -15.1% 37.17 3.0% 33.5 % 243.4 325.5 21 5/31 82.78 -10.1% 60.65 -12.9% 22.12 -1.4% 26.7 % 23.6 18.4 20 5/24 89.23 -13.7% 63.85 -15.3% 25.38 -9.3% 28.4 % 189.1 84.8 19 5/17 84.90 -11.9% 62.00 -12.3% 22.89 -10.9% 27.0 % 72.1 61.8 18 5/10 91.35 -22.5% 67.02 -19.8% 24.33 -29.0% 26.6 % 5.7 223.5 17 5/3 88.49 -15.2% 64.85 -14.1% 23.65 -18.2% 26.7 % 51.6 189.7 16 4/26 89.68 -11.1% 65.32 -10.6% 24.37 -12.3% 27.2 % 0.1 113.5 15 4/19 176.28 56.2% 122.89 54.5% 53.39 60.3% 30.3 % 295.8 162.8 14 4/12 148.32 45.2% 93.53 23.4% 54.79 108.0% 36.9 % 365.0 6.4 Q1 HMM 1813.70 -11.6% 1223.93 -14.2% 589.76 -5.7% 32.5% 3164.4 3103.6 13 4/5 136.35 6.0% 90.67 -1.5% 45.68 24.8% 33.5 % 165.9 0.4 12 3/29 149.53 -32.9% 99.72 -35.3% 49.81 -27.6% 33.3 % 187.8 297.1 11 3/22 241.91 18.3% 139.92 11.3% 101.98 29.5% 42.2 % 641.1 618.9 10 3/15 145.68 -10.9% 101.76 -8.6% 43.92 -15.8% 30.1 % 66.6 247.4 9 3/8 165.48 -15.3% 106.21 -20.7% 59.26 -3.4% 35.8 % 488.3 257.6 8 3/1 155.39 -12.4% 98.31 -23.9% 57.09 18.3% 36.7 % 503.8 315.7 7 2/22 127.22 -19.7% 88.74 -16.0% 38.47 -27.0% 30.2 % 0.2 247.3 6 2/15 155.64 -20.7% 111.97 -15.2% 43.67 -31.9% 28.1 % 162.8 368.9 5 2/8 117.08 -18.4% 84.67 -18.6% 32.41 -17.9% 27.7 % 144.0 171.1 4 2/1 118.53 -4.5% 84.08 -5.7% 34.46 -1.4% 29.1% 318.9 221.4 3 1/25 96.17 -7.9% 69.76 -11.4% 26.41 2.7% 27.5% 195.3 47.0 2 1/18 106.11 -10.2% 76.19 -11.5% 29.92 -6.8% 28.2% 261.6 213.6 1 1/11 98.61 -14.2% 71.93 -15.1% 26.68 -11.8% 27.1% 28.2 97.3 2013 HMM 7539.31 -8.3% 5242.51 -13.1% 2296.82 4.9% 30.5% 10668.2 10071.3 Q4 HMM 2766.93 -9.8% 1851.78 -14.0% 915.15 0.1% 33.1% 3728.2 3249.2 53 1/4 126.71 -11.6% 89.22 -14.9% 37.49 -2.5% 29.6% 24.5 67.2 52 12/28 272.62 14.2% 187.84 9.7% 84.77 25.6% 31.1% 83.8 11.9 51 12/21 386.85 -8.2% 261.74 -14.4% 125.11 8.2% 32.3% 406.8 284.4 50 12/14 330.14 -5.5% 203.04 -15.2% 127.10 15.7% 38.5% 617.5 493.4 49 12/7 230.30 -24.6% 151.36 -22.3% 78.94 -28.7% 34.3% 235.1 586.2 48 11/30 372.25 70.3% 253.10 64.6% 119.15 83.8% 32.0% 79.9 133.4 47 11/23 156.10 -60.0% 105.57 -62.3% 50.53 -54.0% 32.4% 354.0 85.0 46 11/16 149.93 -12.3% 94.62 -18.5% 55.31 0.9% 36.9% 376.1 326.6 45 11/9 124.86 -3.7% 87.74 -6.2% 37.12 2.7% 29.7% 209.3 315.0 44 11/2 128.93 2.0% 87.22 -9.4% 41.72 38.1% 32.4% 301.9 93.5 43 10/26 108.04 -27.3% 78.18 -28.3% 29.87 -24.6% 27.6% 212.5 227.0 42 10/19 131.05 -5.6% 87.75 -11.0% 43.30 7.7% 33.0% 293.5 350.8 41 10/12 119.64 -13.2% 81.55 -11.3% 38.09 -16.9% 31.8% 244.6 181.9 40 10/5 129.51 -12.4% 82.85 -14.9% 46.65 -7.6% 36.0% 288.6 93.1 Q3 DEG 1448.64 -13.4% 1011.45 -15.4% 437.19 -8.3% 30.2% (EST)273.9 15.9%(share) Q3 HMM 1401.22 -14.3% 1010.62 -16.4% 390.58 -8.4% 27.9% 2017.4 2145.2 39 9/28 125.64 -37.1% 79.05 -29.2% 46.59 -47.1% 37.1% 414.8 624.7 38 9/21 113.74 -4.1% 78.15 -13.1% 35.58 24.2% 31.3% 213.5 116.7 37 9/14 132.99 -1.9% 85.34 -15.8% 47.65 39.1% 35.8% 239.8 211.1 36 9/7 108.70 8.9% 80.72 -13.8% 27.98 8.9% 25.7% 123.8 46.5 35 8/31 114.52 -21.0% 84.31 -21.6% 30.21 -19.3% 26.4% 197.5 262.5 34 8/24 102.07 -29.3% 76.50 -28.1% 25.57 -32.7% 25.1% 146.4 105.5 33 8/17 101.24 -31.8% 75.14 -30.9% 26.10 -34.2% 25.8% 130.3 412.4 32 8/10 106.13 -8.3% 75.01 -13.4% 31.12 7.0% 29.3% 136.9 216.2 31 8/3 103.89 10.4% 75.15 -1.7% 28.74 62.5% 27.7% 125.4 0.1 30 7/27 91.47 -3.5% 71.25 -4.9% 20.21 1.8% 22.1% 3.9 18.5 29 7/20 101.61 -3.4% 76.01 -7.2% 25.60 9.8% 25.2% 159.9 81.0 28 7/13 99.26 -5.7% 76.13 -8.7% 23.13 6.0% 23.3% 124.3 59.6 27 7/6 99.96 -8.0% 77.86 -9.5% 22.10 -2.4% 22.1% 1.1 0.5 Q2 DEG 1457.26 -13.0% 1052.97 -16.7% 404.29 -1.5% 27.7% (EST)259.4 15.1%(share) Q2 HMM 1432.97 -13.2% 1031.66 -17.1% 401.32 -1.3% 28.0% 1777.3 2318.0 26 6/29 97.21 -21.8% 73.46 -20.8% 23.76 -24.7% 24.4% 78.1 350.5 25 6/22 109.92 -5.8% 79.23 -10.9% 30.69 10.7% 27.9% 135.0 98.6 24 6/15 145.76 -10.6% 98.08 -15.6% 47.68 1.9% 32.7% 334.2 275.5 23 6/8 122.79 -19.0% 86.72 -18.2% 36.06 -21.0% 29.4% 325.2 374.1 22 6/1 91.91 -18.9% 69.55 -20.2% 22.36 -14.4% 24.3% 18.4 37.0 21 5/25 103.15 -6.7% 75.17 -10.1% 27.98 3.8% 27.1% 84.8 178.2 20 5/18 96.09 -12.1% 70.43 -15.0% 25.67 -3.1% 26.7% 61.8 200.1 19 5/11 117.72 -5.1% 83.48 -11.5% 34.24 15.4% 29.1% 223.5 187.5 18 5/4 104.34 -4.3% 75.45 -12.1% 28.89 24.7% 27.7% 189.5 105.0 17 4/27 100.75 -4.2% 72.97 -8.6% 27.78 9.8% 27.6% 157.3 67.9 16 4/20 112.75 1.5% 79.45 -3.3% 33.30 14.9% 29.5% 162.8 236.0 15 4/13 102.06 -6.0% 75.74 -12.1% 26.32 17.6% 25.8% 6.4 51.8 14 4/6 128.52 -36.9% 91.93 -41.8% 36.59 -20.0% 28.5% 0.4 155.8 Q1 DEG 2098.83 2.1% 1455.55 -6.7% 643.28 28.5% 30.6% (EST)231.2 9.9%(share) Q1 HMM 2064.90 2.5% 1437.67 -6.2% 627.26 30.1% 30.4% 3169.8 2426.1 13 3/30 222.64 41.9% 153.75 26.4% 68.89 95.1% 30.9% 294.8 171.2 12 3/23 204.22 35.8% 125.59 14.6% 78.63 92.8% 38.5% 618.7 356.9 11 3/16 163.59 10.3% 111.45 -1.8% 52.15 49.6% 31.9% 244.8 279.2 10 3/9 195.09 19.0% 133.76 10.1% 61.33 44.3% 31.4% 256.6 216.0 9 3/2 177.32 15.9% 129.10 10.1% 48.23 35.0% 27.2% 315.6 82.3 8 2/23 158.25 -1.7% 105.48 -14.7% 52.77 41.6% 33.3% 251.0 274.4 7 2/16 196.00 -6.2% 131.73 -18.6% 64.27 36.6% 32.8% 368.6 16.2 6 2/9 143.36 -30.4% 103.88 -31.5% 39.48 -27.5% 27.5% 171.1 321.4 5 2/2 124.02 -15.3% 89.11 -19.9% 34.91 -0.8% 28.1% 221.2 118.7 4 1/26 104.36 -19.8% 78.68 -18.6% 25.69 -23.2% 24.6% 46.5 226.0 3 1/19 118.15 -7.3% 88.02 -14.7% 32.13 20.7% 27.2% 213.2 114.0 2 1/12 114.83 -8.9% 84.56 -13.8% 30.27 8.1% 26.4% 96.8 116.2 1 1/5 143.07 5.5% 104.56 -0.1% 38.51 24.4% 26.9% 67.2 134.3 2012 DEG 8462.18 -5.5% 6105.78 -10.9% 2356.40 9.6% 27.8% (EST)811.5 8.8%(share) 2012 HMM 8181.48 -5.6% 5997.34 -9.9% 2184.04 8.6% 26.7% 10157.8 9979.0 Q4 DEG 3060.27 -8.3% 2091.50 -15.1% 968.77 4.8% 31.7% (EST)295.0 8.8%(share) Q4 HMM 2914.71 -7.1% 2037.92 -11.0% 876.78 3.5% 30.1% 3319.1 3713.8 52 12/29 237.36 35.8% 169.84 29.8% 67.52 53.6% 28.4% 11.5 64.3 51 12/22 420.06 -12.9% 304.39 -17.4% 115.67 1.9% 27.5% 281.1 205.6 50 12/15 348.17 -5.8% 238.15 -15.1% 110.01 23.3% 31.6% 492.9 360.7 49 12/8 303.97 -6.1% 193.44 -21.0% 110.53 40.3% 36.4% 567.3 624.8 48 12/1 217.83 -5.3% 152.95 -12.4% 64.88 16.9% 29.8% 336.6 282.0 47 11/24 388.81 -0.3% 278.21 -7.6% 110.60 24.6% 28.4% 84.4 194.5 46 11/17 169.81 1.0% 115.01 -10.6% 54.79 38.5% 32.3% 326.0 41.6 45 11/10 128.76 -29.6% 93.33 -27.9% 35.43 -33.8% 27.5% 309.7 422.9 44 11/3 126.70 -25.0% 96.30 -18.9% 30.39 -39.4% 24.0% 93.1 335.6 43 10/27 149.05 0.9% 109.23 12.7% 39.82 -21.6% 26.7% 227.0 204.5 42 10/20 139.08 -12.3% 98.69 1.8% 40.40 -34.4% 29.0% 311.3 370.0 41 10/13 137.69 -11.0% 91.68 -14.8% 46.02 -2.3% 33.4% 181.4 343.3 40 10/6 147.42 -20.5% 96.70 -12.5% 50.72 -32.2% 34.4% 96.8 264.0 Q3 DEG 1672.54 -4.0% 1195.84 -9.5% 476.70 13.0% 28.5% (EST)187.1 10.1%(share) Q3 HMM 1624.71 -3.7% 1199.77 -8.6% 424.65 13.3% 26.1% 2147.2 1806.5 39 9/29 198.99 28.7% 110.98 0.1% 88.01 101.1% 44.2% 624.6 352.1 38 9/22 118.97 -26.2% 89.54 -20.5% 28.63 -39.8% 24.2% 116.0 169.3 37 9/15 134.97 -18.9% 100.75 -6.9% 34.22 -41.1% 25.4% 208.4 190.8 36 9/8 118.56 -8.8% 92.98 -9.9% 25.58 -4.5% 21.6% 47.6 189.3 35 9/1 144.44 20.3% 107.25 5.3% 37.19 103.6% 25.7% 252.7 65.6 34 8/25 143.76 31.4% 105.81 15.3% 37.95 115.6% 26.4% 105.3 12.6 33 8/18 147.22 17.3% 108.08 5.7% 39.64 67.7% 26.8% 411.4 100.8 32 8/11 114.70 -7.0% 85.79 -13.8% 28.91 21.3% 25.2% 216.1 118.2 31 8/4 93.41 -33.4% 75.78 -32.4% 17.63 -37.3% 18.9% 0.6 189.8 30 7/28 94.17 -14.4% 74.35 -17.6% 19.82 0.4% 21.0% 18.5 56.8 29 7/21 103.79 -14.7% 80.67 -18.0% 23.12 -0.9% 22.3% 87.8 88.3 28 7/14 104.61 -12.5% 82.94 -13.7% 21.67 -7.4% 20.7% 57.9 267.8 27 7/7 107.12 0.7% 84.85 -1.2% 22.28 8.6% 20.8% 0.3 5.1 Q2 DEG 1674.15 -7.1% 1263.83 -10.1% 410.32 3.4% 24.5% Q2 HMM 1631.18 -9.9% 1227.87 -13.3% 403.51 2.5% 24.7% 2296.8 2322.3 26 6/30 122.48 -3.7% 91.23 -5.2% 31.25 0.9% 25.5% 342.2 102.3 25 6/23 114.86 -7.7% 87.39 -11.5% 27.47 6.8% 23.9% 97.5 205.4 24 6/16 160.13 5.6% 113.84 -1.9% 46.29 30.2% 28.9% 275.1 208.2 23 6/9 151.52 14.4% 105.51 1.2% 45.61 61.4% 30.2% 370.6 305.0 22 6/2 111.57 -6.5% 85.76 -11.7% 25.81 16.4% 23.1% 36.1 15.8 21 5/26 109.16 -5.2% 82.48 -10.8% 26.88 17.7% 24.6% 179.2 154.4 20 5/19 109.04 -3.6% 82.49 -11.1% 26.55 30.7% 24.3% 200.0 99.9 19 5/12 121.91 8.4% 92.63 1.6% 29.28 37.8% 24.0% 187.4 155.6 18 5/5 107.56 -11.5% 84.66 -14.4% 22.90 1.5% 21.3% 104.9 148.6 17 4/28 103.68 -4.1% 78.66 -10.5% 25.02 23.5% 24.1% 67.6 0.0 16 4/21 109.99 -50.1% 81.31 -53.3% 28.68 -38.1% 26.1% 231.7 184.9 15 4/14 107.78 -42.5% 85.63 -37.4% 22.15 -56.2% 20.6% 51.3 314.8 14 4/7 201.90 13.9% 156.28 20.0% 45.62 -3.0% 22.6% 153.2 427.4 Q1 DEG 2060.00 -0.4% 1559.39 -6.1% 500.61 23.0% 24.3% Q1 HMM 2010.88 -1.2% 1531.78 -6.6% 479.10 20.9% 23.8% 2394.7 2136.4 13 3/31 155.29 -19.9% 120.32 -17.4% 34.98 -27.6% 22.5% 168.6 319.2 12 3/24 148.56 8.5% 108.20 -2.8% 40.36 57.9% 27.2% 353.9 219.4 11 3/17 146.48 4.6% 112.13 -1.4% 34.34 30.2% 23.4% 276.1 154.2 10 3/10 165.27 9.5% 123.11 2.7% 42.16 35.7% 25.5% 216.0 177.1 9 3/3 150.39 -14.0% 115.29 -13.4% 35.10 -15.7% 23.3% 67.0 112.3 8 2/25 158.98 -2.2% 122.04 -7.3% 36.94 19.4% 23.2% 272.1 258.0 7 2/18 207.15 18.9% 160.38 10.4% 46.77 61.7% 22.6% 16.4 86.2 6 2/11 205.54 19.4% 151.09 3.1% 54.45 104.2% 26.5% 316.5 224.0 5 2/4 144.90 -8.6% 110.25 -16.0% 34.65 27.1% 23.9% 118.5 23.0 4 1/28 131.95 -13.6% 98.40 -20.2% 33.55 14.2% 25.4% 226.3 201.2 3 1/21 129.39 -2.4% 103.53 -4.9% 25.86 8.9% 20.0% 112.7 60.7 2 1/14 128.65 -5.1% 100.16 -7.7% 28.49 5.6% 22.1% 143.4 116.2 1 1/7 138.33 -8.0% 106.88 -11.6% 31.45 7.0% 22.7% 157.7 134.3 2011 DEG 8951.80 -13.2% 6851.80 -19.5% 2150.00 19.4% 24.0% 2011 HMM 8604.20 -13.9% 6608.28 -20.3% 1995.92 17.7% 23.2% 9936.0 10820.9 Q4 DEG 3338.95 -11.0% 2464.81 -16.5% 924.14 15.5% 27.7% Q4 HMM 3125.11 -12.4% 2280.75 -19.5% 844.36 15.1% 27.0% 3698.4 3932.2 52 12/31 174.13 -25.6% 130.29 -28.7% 43.84 -14.7% 25.2% 64.3 95.9 51 12/24 482.11 -13.1% 368.59 -16.9% 113.52 2.2% 23.5% 205.6 303.6 50 12/17 369.89 -23.4% 280.58 -26.8% 89.31 -10.1% 24.1% 360.7 635.3 49 12/10 322.48 -14.5% 243.85 -18.6% 78.63 1.5% 24.4% 624.8 535.6 48 12/3 229.49 -23.3% 173.97 -27.5% 55.52 -6.2% 24.2% 282.0 496.0 47 11/26 388.67 -12.4% 300.39 -16.5% 88.28 5.0% 22.7% 194.5 185.3 46 11/19 166.84 -14.3% 127.57 -18.0% 39.27 0.5% 23.5% 41.6 359.0 45 11/12 183.17 2.5% 128.95 -12.0% 54.22 68.3% 29.6% 422.9 251.3 44 11/5 167.53 -16.8% 117.59 -22.8% 49.94 2.0% 29.8% 335.6 414.9 43 10/29 147.15 11.2% 96.66 -11.3% 50.49 115.6% 33.6% 204.5 108.7 42 10/22 156.94 9.5% 95.94 -17.1% 61.00 120.8% 38.9% 370.0 56.0 41 10/15 152.92 -2.4% 106.50 -14.1% 46.42 42.2% 30.4% 343.3 233.0 40 10/8 183.79 9.3% 109.87 -9.4% 73.92 57.7% 40.2% 248.6 257.6 Q3 DEG 1742.79 -4.0% 1320.93 -14.7% 421.86 58.0% 24.2% Q3 HMM 1667.09 -4.9% 1298.39 -13.9% 368.70 49.9% 22.1% 1806.3 1609.5 39 10/1 152.58 -14.3% 109.97 -20.4% 42.61 7.1% 27.9% 352.1 382.7 38 9/24 153.60 5.0% 108.69 -12.5% 44.91 103.6% 29.2% 169.3 112.5 37 9/17 164.69 14.0% 107.37 -14.2% 57.32 197.2% 34.8% 190.8 165.2 36 9/10 128.84 0.0% 102.29 -10.5% 26.55 82.9% 20.6% 189.3 60.3 35 9/3 119.04 -9.5% 100.87 -13.7% 18.17 23.5% 15.3% 65.6 95.1 34 8/27 109.34 -13.1% 91.74 -16.6% 17.60 11.5% 16.1% 12.6 45.3 33 8/20 124.53 -4.4% 101.11 -12.8% 23.42 63.3% 18.8% 100.8 81.2 32 8/13 122.13 -1.8% 98.44 -9.5% 23.69 51.8% 19.4% 118.0 143.9 31 8/6 139.66 1.4% 111.78 -3.6% 27.88 27.9% 20.0% 189.8 133.5 30 7/30 108.78 -18.3% 89.06 -20.2% 19.72 -8.7% 18.1% 56.8 177.2 29 7/23 120.50 -1.9% 97.25 -9.4% 23.25 49.9% 19.3% 88.3 72.7 28 7/16 118.09 -4.8% 94.88 -13.5% 23.21 61.7% 19.7% 267.8 94.7 27 7/9 105.31 -16.7% 84.94 -22.7% 20.37 22.9% 19.3% 5.1 45.2 Q2 DEG 1831 -15.0% 1434 -18.8% 397 9.4% 21.7% Q2 HMM 1791.55 -12.2% 1402.94 -16.7% 388.61 9.1% 21.7% 2314.8 2422.0 26 7/2 127.11 -12.3% 96.32 -21.6% 30.79 39.4% 24.2% 102.3 181.4 25 6/25 123.25 -7.7% 98.18 -12.8% 25.07 20.1% 20.3% 205.4 85.8 24 6/18 149.89 -11.2% 114.68 -17.7% 35.21 19.5% 23.5% 208.2 142.8 23 6/11 130.81 -13.6% 103.23 -18.6% 27.58 12.3% 21.1% 305.0 152.6 22 6/4 118.16 -34.1% 96.17 -32.8% 21.99 -39.1% 18.6% 15.8 386.8 21 5/28 113.83 -16.6% 91.37 -22.9% 22.46 24.9% 19.7% 154.4 87.9 20 5/21 111.98 -15.2% 91.84 -18.9% 20.14 7.2% 18.0% 99.8 185.7 19 5/14 111.02 -23.6% 90.00 -26.8% 21.02 -6.2% 18.9% 155.6 113.6 18 5/7 122.05 -25.2% 99.74 -29.5% 22.31 -7.7% 18.3% 141.5 106.1 17 4/30 106.99 -40.6% 86.94 -39.6% 20.05 -44.5% 18.7% 0.0 120.5 16 4/23 217.30 -8.3% 171.47 -0.3% 45.83 -29.4% 21.1% 187.5 841.3 15 4/16 184.50 48.7% 134.40 24.8% 50.10 205.3% 27.2% 314.8 8.1 14 4/9 174.66 21.6% 128.60 5.9% 46.06 107.5% 26.5% 424.5 9.4 Q1 DEG 2068 -20.0% 1661 -25.0% 407 10.0% 19.7% Q1 HMM 2020.45 -23.2% 1626.20 -28.4% 394.25 9.4% 19.5% 2116.5 2857.2 13 4/2 192.11 -36.0% 144.16 -44.6% 47.95 20.1% 25.0% 300.9 461.1 12 3/26 135.54 -49.8% 110.21 -50.9% 25.33 -44.1% 18.7% 218.0 335.6 11 3/19 138.72 -46.5% 112.58 -49.6% 26.14 -27.1% 18.8% 154.2 534.3 10 3/12 146.96 -24.4% 116.11 -30.8% 30.85 16.5% 21.0% 177.0 247.2 9 3/5 174.59 -7.2% 132.93 -15.4% 41.66 34.1% 23.9% 112.3 258.8 8 2/26 160.96 4.5% 130.35 -2.5% 30.61 50.7% 19.0% 258.0 74.9 7 2/19 172.68 -8.1% 143.99 -12.7% 28.69 25.0% 16.6% 86.2 80.1 6 2/12 172.00 -19.4% 145.34 -23.1% 26.66 8.9% 15.5% 224.0 211.0 5 2/5 158.26 -16.7% 131.08 -20.8% 27.18 11.1% 17.2% 23.0 114.6 4 1/29 151.21 -14.6% 122.05 -20.9% 29.16 27.6% 19.3% 201.2 151.6 3 1/22 131.62 -16.3% 107.98 -21.0% 23.64 14.8% 18.0% 60.7 61.0 2 1/15 135.49 -17.3% 108.51 -23.9% 26.98 27.0% 19.9% 143.3 137.8 1 1/8 150.31 -14.1% 120.91 -19.5% 29.40 18.6% 19.6% 157.7 189.2
07-21-15, 08:37 PM
#2637
DVD Talk Special Edition
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Wow, $17.36 million?! It hasn't dropped that low since 2010. Also it's incredible that DVD is now doing better YoY-wise than Blu-ray on a regular basis. Almost makes you wonder if there will be a day when Blu-ray is gone and DVD is still here.
07-21-15, 08:52 PM
#2638
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
It makes sense that streaming is eating into Blu-ray more than DVD. The average Blu-ray owner is far more plugged-in with new technology and wealthier than the remaining DVD-only owners. It's the former Blu-ray owners that have switched to streaming content through their high-end Internet connections and connected media devices. The DVD owners will take much longer to transition and it might take Hollywood forcing them out of the physical ownership market.
07-21-15, 10:00 PM
#2639
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I agree that's why Blu-ray is declining faster, but it still seems incredible, considering that Blu-ray was intended to be a replacement format. Now it looks like the real (eventual) replacement format for DVD will be digital.
The decline appears to be happening at the new release level. I have noticed that the Blu-ray share of popular movies in the top 20 have declined in the last few years. Since most of Blu-ray's sales are in this category, it is taking a major hit. I think a lot of it has to do with the 2-4 week early windows that favor EST. Early availability sells, regardless of the format.
I don't think though that Hollywood has any intention of forcing out DVD owners, unless the market share drops to a certain level. DVD still holds the biggest share of the pie and right now that share is way too big. Hollywood would have to force out physical media entirely before they pick on DVD, considering that it still has a nearly 70 percent revenue share.
The decline appears to be happening at the new release level. I have noticed that the Blu-ray share of popular movies in the top 20 have declined in the last few years. Since most of Blu-ray's sales are in this category, it is taking a major hit. I think a lot of it has to do with the 2-4 week early windows that favor EST. Early availability sells, regardless of the format.
I don't think though that Hollywood has any intention of forcing out DVD owners, unless the market share drops to a certain level. DVD still holds the biggest share of the pie and right now that share is way too big. Hollywood would have to force out physical media entirely before they pick on DVD, considering that it still has a nearly 70 percent revenue share.
07-22-15, 11:01 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I'm not sure that Blu-ray (or HD DVD for that matter) was ever really expected to be a replacement format by anyone other than format war fanboys. I think the industry saw it as something to fill in after DVD peaked and leveled off. If it managed to do better than just filling in, all the better. In other words, I think it has achieved pretty much what was intended.
07-22-15, 11:33 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I've seen puppet shows with better plots than most of the shit they crank out.
07-22-15, 11:44 AM
#2643
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I'm not sure that Blu-ray (or HD DVD for that matter) was ever really expected to be a replacement format by anyone other than format war fanboys. I think the industry saw it as something to fill in after DVD peaked and leveled off. If it managed to do better than just filling in, all the better. In other words, I think it has achieved pretty much what was intended.
Certainly the studios expected more. I know I did. Back in 2009 I thought it was inevitable that BLu-ray would get at least a majority share by now, since DVD players would be phased out. But DVD has persevered regardless.
07-22-15, 12:06 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
The HD formats probably launched a few years before they really should have. In 2006, VHS had just ceased production (and we all know if that never happened, consumers would still be buying VHS tapes) and DVD sales were still pretty good. If anything, they should have held off until one HD format was settled upon so there wouldn't be a format war.
After the war was settled, there was a period where everyone seemed pretty enthusiastic about BD, but now it seems like the studios don't know what the hell to do with the format.
07-22-15, 12:29 PM
#2645
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
The same holds true of DVD. You can't phase something out that's responsible for most of your home video revenue. It has to be decided at the consumer level. Give them a product they want to buy and market forces will do the dictating.
Another obvious reason for DVD's stay power is that the players are backwards compatible. So consumers have no reason to switch formats even after they buy a Blu-ray player.
07-22-15, 01:36 PM
#2646
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
They couldn't phase it out without taking too big a financial hit. They still can't (nor would they want to now). VHS was phased out because of low sales. The studios had a financial reason to phase it out, since manufacture costs were much higher. But they waited until VHS sales started to fall below 20 percent or so and then let the retailers decide when to discontinue stocking it. So the phasing out of VHS was mainly consumer driven.
The same holds true of DVD. You can't phase something out that's responsible for most of your home video revenue. It has to be decided at the consumer level. Give them a product they want to buy and market forces will do the dictating.
Another obvious reason for DVD's stay power is that the players are backwards compatible. So consumers have no reason to switch formats even after they buy a Blu-ray player.
The same holds true of DVD. You can't phase something out that's responsible for most of your home video revenue. It has to be decided at the consumer level. Give them a product they want to buy and market forces will do the dictating.
Another obvious reason for DVD's stay power is that the players are backwards compatible. So consumers have no reason to switch formats even after they buy a Blu-ray player.
07-22-15, 01:46 PM
#2647
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
The studios and hardware manufacturers believed that Blu-ray would totally replace DVD at some point, especially since the format included backward compatibility. Hollywood knew that DVD revenues were peaking in 2004-2005 and likely soon to decline, one of the big reasons behind the sudden transition to HD media.
Here's a quaint USA Today article from 2005 about DVD sales.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/...s-inside_x.htm
Here's a quaint USA Today article from 2005 about DVD sales.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/...s-inside_x.htm
07-22-15, 02:03 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
The studios and hardware manufacturers believed that Blu-ray would totally replace DVD at some point, especially since the format included backward compatibility. Hollywood knew that DVD revenues were peaking in 2004-2005 and likely soon to decline, one of the big reasons behind the sudden transition to HD media.
Here's a quaint USA Today article from 2005 about DVD sales.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/...s-inside_x.htm
Here's a quaint USA Today article from 2005 about DVD sales.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/...s-inside_x.htm
Overall home video revenue rose to nearly $24.5 billion, up 9% from 2003. But prices continued to drop, reducing hit titles to commodities sold at supermarkets and truck stops.
An estimated 1.2 billion DVDs were sold last year, but no individual title could match the pace set in 2003 by Finding Nemo.
These trends have led some to question whether DVD has peaked. If so, that has ramifications for the studios, which rely on DVD to carry some movies to the break-even plateau or over it to profitability.
As DVD reaches new converts (about 70% of homes have players), those newcomers are expected to buy fewer DVDs than early adopters of the format. And those who have had DVD players for a while may be getting pickier about their purchases even as prices of some new releases drop below $15.
An estimated 1.2 billion DVDs were sold last year, but no individual title could match the pace set in 2003 by Finding Nemo.
These trends have led some to question whether DVD has peaked. If so, that has ramifications for the studios, which rely on DVD to carry some movies to the break-even plateau or over it to profitability.
As DVD reaches new converts (about 70% of homes have players), those newcomers are expected to buy fewer DVDs than early adopters of the format. And those who have had DVD players for a while may be getting pickier about their purchases even as prices of some new releases drop below $15.
07-22-15, 03:00 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
DVD's success made a lot of people hostile to the idea of upgrading. DVD was their format, and the idea of something better coming along and making their collections seem outmoded/outclassed really upset them. (Lotsa posts on DVD Talk to that effect. "I'm not buying all these movies again!" Who said you have to?) There were also plenty of people who bought tons of DVDs and got kind of burnt out or sick of the amount of space they took up. Plus DVD players were friggin' everywhere. It wasn't just about replacing one player in the living room, and having discs that won't play in the kids' rooms, won't play in the bedroom, won't play in the car, etc. could be a headache. Holding off for a few more years would probably have just made things worse. I'd probably have been invested in whatever other form of HD movie viewing had been made available.
The format war definitely didn't work in HD media's favor (although I think the threat of HD DVD resulted in Blu-ray being a superior format than perhaps it would've been otherwise), but I think the impact is often overstated. There were a lot of gnashed teeth at the time, but I bet a lot of the people vocal about the format war wouldn't have bought in at the time even if there had only been one format. It was just ammunition to support a decision not to buy in that they'd already made.
07-22-15, 03:04 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I was very skeptical about the Blu-ray format (or HDDVD, for that matter) gaining much traction in the marketplace.
Like CDs, people bought a lot of DVDs and weren't willing to re-purchase what they already had just because the picture was sharper and the sound was better - if you had the "right" equipment.
Blu-ray was and is a successful S-VHS, no more than that. Better picture and sound but visually identical-looking to its successful predecessor but deemed unnecessary by the general public.
Like CDs, people bought a lot of DVDs and weren't willing to re-purchase what they already had just because the picture was sharper and the sound was better - if you had the "right" equipment.
Blu-ray was and is a successful S-VHS, no more than that. Better picture and sound but visually identical-looking to its successful predecessor but deemed unnecessary by the general public.
