3D on bluray anytime soon?
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I was browsing around TVs and I have my eye on a clearance floor model samsung and I asked about any news on 3D in home theatre? He said all the Samsungs they had in store were 3D compatible. Is there any news talking about when the first 3D bluray might be? I'm excited to find out. And I want to make sure I buy a TV that can display it, since I love 3D and want to support it fully.
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players capable of spinning 3D discs won't make a debut until 2011 at the earliest.
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I'm a big 3-D fan and in the market for a new TV (the one I have will be 13 years old this year!) but I'm getting REALLY tired of the waiting and non-information about 3-D. Yes, the DLP sets (which I was convinced I wanted last year, but not so sure now) advertise that they're "3-D Ready", but of course they won't tell you what sort of 3-D they're ready for and when you might expect to see something to watch on them. Elsewhere I hear about a "3D standards committee" for making a good home 3-D system, and in the meantime companies put out crappy red/blue format 3D DVDs. I bought the field-sequential system in 1990 and a number of tapes (at $50 each!) and have most of the field-sequential DVDs, but while that format preserves the original format well the flickering and loss of resolution is just too annoying (though still preferable to crappy red/blue glasses!)
Finances willing I'm going to jump on SOMETHING by the end of this year. If any actual 3-D Blu-Rays come out that I can actually buy, I'll certainly adjust my plans accordingly, but if I continue to hear more vague 'news' I'm just going to quit waiting.
Finances willing I'm going to jump on SOMETHING by the end of this year. If any actual 3-D Blu-Rays come out that I can actually buy, I'll certainly adjust my plans accordingly, but if I continue to hear more vague 'news' I'm just going to quit waiting.
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http://www.next3d.com/3D_Ready_Technology.html
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All bets seem to be that the first BD to take advantage of the new format will be AVATAR. Makes sense....
Google "Marketsaw 3D" for lots of info on new 3-D movies and the development of the BD systems.
Google "Marketsaw 3D" for lots of info on new 3-D movies and the development of the BD systems.
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Also I heard somewhere that the PS3 could display 3D content with a firmware update, so some of us may not have to buy new players.
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After reading that I'm glad I held off on buying a new TV recently. That would be really exciting for the Avatar Blu-ray was the "bust out 3D" bluray movie like that article inclines. And if that's the case I want to make sure my TV is ready to play it come May 2010.
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I just came back from watching Monsters vs. Aliens in Dolby 3D. It's my first theatrical 3D experience (unless you count Capt. EO and Freddy's Dead: The Final Friday many years ago) and I was pleasently surprised with the experience.
I hear everybody speaking about shutter glasses but, from what I've read, that requires a custom screen. Why doesn't Dolby make a home version of Dolby 3D Cinema? I seem to recall some mention about it only working on an interlaced display but if film is in full frames and progressive video provides full frames as well, why can't something like Dolby 3D Cinema work for home applications?
I hear everybody speaking about shutter glasses but, from what I've read, that requires a custom screen. Why doesn't Dolby make a home version of Dolby 3D Cinema? I seem to recall some mention about it only working on an interlaced display but if film is in full frames and progressive video provides full frames as well, why can't something like Dolby 3D Cinema work for home applications?
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Funny. I went to the Dolby website before my last post and turned up nothing. A quick search on Google just now turns up plenty: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oq=%22Dolby+3D
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I hear everybody speaking about shutter glasses but, from what I've read, that requires a custom screen. Why doesn't Dolby make a home version of Dolby 3D Cinema? I seem to recall some mention about it only working on an interlaced display but if film is in full frames and progressive video provides full frames as well, why can't something like Dolby 3D Cinema work for home applications?
This won't work on a typical 60 Hz television, because it would mean that each eye only sees 30 frames per second as opposed to the usual 60. That would cause visible flicker. It can work on newer 120 Hz TVs, and several companies (notably Panasonic) have been working on a new 3-D standard for Blu-ray using that. Several manufacturers (Mitsubishi and Samsung come to mind) already market "3-D ready" HDTVs. But the process won't be backwards compatible to older HDTVs.
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What about plasma's? Lets say you have a plasma that is identical or faster than 120h. Is it possible that it could handle the 3D image or is there something else that it probably doesn't have that won't allow it to display the 3D blurays when they DO come out? I ask cause I'm in the market. Either get a panny plasma now or wait. And I'm getting impatient lol.
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The way digital 3-D works in theaters is, the projector shines alternating frames for each eye. Left eye, then right eye, then left eye, etc. The viewer wears polarized or shutter glasses that only let the appropriate image in to each eye.
This won't work on a typical 60 Hz television, because it would mean that each eye only sees 30 frames per second as opposed to the usual 60. That would cause visible flicker. It can work on newer 120 Hz TVs, and several companies (notably Panasonic) have been working on a new 3-D standard for Blu-ray using that. Several manufacturers (Mitsubishi and Samsung come to mind) already market "3-D ready" HDTVs. But the process won't be backwards compatible to older HDTVs.
This won't work on a typical 60 Hz television, because it would mean that each eye only sees 30 frames per second as opposed to the usual 60. That would cause visible flicker. It can work on newer 120 Hz TVs, and several companies (notably Panasonic) have been working on a new 3-D standard for Blu-ray using that. Several manufacturers (Mitsubishi and Samsung come to mind) already market "3-D ready" HDTVs. But the process won't be backwards compatible to older HDTVs.
So I basically have to wait 'til Dolby and/or Panasonic establishes a standard for 3DTV and then save up for a new TV but not necessarily a new BD player?
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They are all fighting for their tech to be come the standard but I think Panny is going to win this one.
What I've heard is to watch out for infomation on the eventual 3D standard being incorporated as a selling point for future digital projectors. This is what has kept me from buying a new model.
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Yeah, I'll just wait it out. I'll just wait 'til the first 3DTVs (not 3D ready but rather TVs that are produced with whichever format becomes the standard in mind) come onto the market and start saving up. Then I'll buy a second or third generation 3DTV set.
I see that Samsung has DLP and Plasma sets that are labelled as 3D ready but no LCDs that are labeled as such. Is LCD somehow incompatible with the proposed 3D specs?
By the way, why do you believe Panasonic is gonna win? Not that I doubt you but I was just curious what draws you to one over the other.
I see that Samsung has DLP and Plasma sets that are labelled as 3D ready but no LCDs that are labeled as such. Is LCD somehow incompatible with the proposed 3D specs?
By the way, why do you believe Panasonic is gonna win? Not that I doubt you but I was just curious what draws you to one over the other.
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1.) I think they'll get the nod because of their position within the BDA.
2.) Disney has been working with them in regards to 3D releases, and Disney has a large share of the more recent 3D releases. Disney will push for Panny to get the nod.
3.) Panasonic's solution to 3D seems fairly simple to work into the standard quickly, running two 1080i60 video streams into one 1080p24 3D image.
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Yeah, one two certainly makes their win seem easy. How'd you find out about their method for 3D?
I tried looking for it online and all I found was the Dolby theatrical method. About all I saw about home theater was the mention of pot requiring a new BD player and requiring a new TV.
I tried looking for it online and all I found was the Dolby theatrical method. About all I saw about home theater was the mention of pot requiring a new BD player and requiring a new TV.
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All I could find was this:
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...leID=212700486
And this:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=16283814
Dolby will give a first sneak peek of its approach for playing stereo 3-D video on digital TVs and Blu-ray players. The company, which already is shipping products for 3-D video in theaters, will show its 3-D encoding technology for home products.
The company's technology uses a checkerboard pixel pattern similar to techniques employed in current 3-D-ready digital TVs from Mitsubishi and Samsung. It works with existing Blu-ray, HDMI and MPEG products and existing video formats.
The company's technology uses a checkerboard pixel pattern similar to techniques employed in current 3-D-ready digital TVs from Mitsubishi and Samsung. It works with existing Blu-ray, HDMI and MPEG products and existing video formats.
And this:
Option 1: Dolby method
* Compatible with most current Blu-ray players (does not require new player purchase in most cases)
* May require new HDTV purchase, but is compatible with many current 3D DLP HDTVs (requires new TV purchase if you do not have one of these)
* Should be compatible with most current HDMI equipment (i.e. A/V receivers, scalers, etc)
* Full color 3-D
* Effective resolution of 960x1080
Option 2: Panasonic method
* Requires new Blu-ray player purchase
* Requires new HDTV purchase
* Players will likely need dual HDMI outputs as the 3-D video portion will likely be incompatible with current HDMI equipment
* Full color 3-D
* Effective resolution of 1920x1080
* Compatible with most current Blu-ray players (does not require new player purchase in most cases)
* May require new HDTV purchase, but is compatible with many current 3D DLP HDTVs (requires new TV purchase if you do not have one of these)
* Should be compatible with most current HDMI equipment (i.e. A/V receivers, scalers, etc)
* Full color 3-D
* Effective resolution of 960x1080
Option 2: Panasonic method
* Requires new Blu-ray player purchase
* Requires new HDTV purchase
* Players will likely need dual HDMI outputs as the 3-D video portion will likely be incompatible with current HDMI equipment
* Full color 3-D
* Effective resolution of 1920x1080
Last edited by RocShemp; 04-25-09 at 08:01 AM.
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I'd be surprised if Dolby won in the home theater realm, as they're not the preferred method in theaters. Dolby 3D in theaters doesn't require a silver screen as RealD does, but the screen has to be 100% clean for the image to look the way it should. Once it starts getting dirty, as all screens do, the illusion is ruined.
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I watched Monsters vs. Aliens in Dolby 3D Digital Cinema (boy that's a mouthful!) again today and although the screen wasn't 100% clean, it never took me out of the 3D illusion. I think I noticed the dirst and damage on the screen twice but I was too into what I was watching to really pay much attention.
What I think will hurt the home application of Dolby 3D Digital Cinema is the resolution. 960x1080 vs. 1920x1080? After so much marketing hammering 1080p as True or Full HD, are people really going to want to take a noticeable dip in resolution just to get into 3D?
Personally, even though it's much more expensive, I'm more inclined toward the Panasonic approach.
What I think will hurt the home application of Dolby 3D Digital Cinema is the resolution. 960x1080 vs. 1920x1080? After so much marketing hammering 1080p as True or Full HD, are people really going to want to take a noticeable dip in resolution just to get into 3D?
Personally, even though it's much more expensive, I'm more inclined toward the Panasonic approach.
Last edited by RocShemp; 04-25-09 at 08:14 PM.