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Blu-ray Disc Player Thread

Discussions about the various Blu-ray Disc players have been scattered in several threads. Since I am in the market for a BD player, I'd like to assemble what information I can about the various choices, both present and future.

My preference would be to stick to Profile 1.1 and Profile 2.0 players. The Profile 1.0 machines are pretty well known to most of us.

Please point out additions or errors. Thanks.


To the best of my knowledge, ALL of the players below are capable of outputting a 1080p/24 video signal. [However, please be aware that many displays that accept a 1080/24 input convert it to 1080/60 using 3:2 pulldown, which is the same thing as having the player do it. Displays that genuinely accept and use a native 1080/24 signal at some multiple of 24 (48, 72, 96, or 120 Hz) without first converting to 1080/60 are less common.]


Current Model Blu-ray Disc Players

PLAYER MODEL
WiFi?
ANALOG OUTPUT
ONBOARD DECODING
BITSTREAMING
AVAILABLE?
PRICE
Sony Playstation 3 Slim Built-in None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA (PCM only) None Yes $370
Sony BDP-S370 Capable None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $180
Sony BDP-N470 (3D) Capable None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $200
Sony BDP-S570 (3D) Built-in None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $250
Panasonic DMP-BD45 No None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA, but limited to 5.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $160
Panasonic DMP-BD65 Capable None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $180
Panasonic DMP-BD85 Capable 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $250
Panasonic DMP-BDT350 (3D) Capable 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $430
Oppo BDP-93 (3D) Capable 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $500
Samsung BD-C5500 Capable None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $180
Samsung BD-C6500 Built-in 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $250
Samsung BD-C7500 Built-in 7.1? TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $350
Samsung BD-C7900 (3D) Built-in None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $400
Samsung BD-C6900 (3D) Built-in 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $400
LG BD550 No None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $200
LG BD570 Built-in None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $280
LG BD590 Built-in None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $380
Toshiba BDX2500 Capable 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $200
Toshiba BDX2700 Built-in 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $250
Toshiba BDX3000 (3D) built-in ? TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Third quarter 2010 Unknown
Denon DBP-1611UD (3D) Unknown ? TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA? TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA June 2010 $400
Denon DBP-2011UDCI (3D) Unknown ? TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA? TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA August 2010 $800
Insignia NS-BRDVD4 No None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA Yes $100





Blu-ray Disc Player Features

PLAYER MODEL
PROFILE
ANALOG OUTPUT
ONBOARD DECODING
BITSTREAMING
AVAILABLE?
PRICE
Sony BDP-S360 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
Sony BDP-N460 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $250
Sony BDP-S560 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Sony BDP-S350 2.0 None TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Sony BDP-S550 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $400
Panasonic DMP-BD60 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
Panasonic DMP-BD605 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $280
Panasonic DMP-BD80 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Panasonic DMP-BD30 1.1 5.1 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $400
Panasonic DMP-BD35 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $250
Panasonic DMP-BD50 2.0 5.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $700
Panasonic DMP-BD55 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $400
Oppo BDP-83 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $500
Denon DVD-2500BTCI 1.1 None None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $1000
Denon DVD-3800BDCI 1.1 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $2000
Marantz BD8002 1.1 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $2100
Pioneer BDP-120 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $250
Pioneer BDP-320 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Pioneer BDP-23FD 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $600
Pioneer BDP-51FD 1.1 7.1 TrueHD, (DTS-HD-MA) TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $600
Pioneer BDP-05FD 1.1 7.1 TrueHD, (DTS-HD-MA) TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $800
Pioneer BDP-09FD 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $2200
Samsung BD-P4600 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $350
Samsung BD-P3600 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Samsung BD-P1600 2.0 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
Samsung BD-P1500 (2.0) None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $400
Samsung BD-P2500 2.0 7.1 TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $500
Samsung BD-P2550 (2.0) 7.1 TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $350
Samsung BD-UP5500 1.1 5.1 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $600
LG BD270 1.1? None Unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
LG BD370 2.0 None Unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $250
LG BD390 2.0 7.1 Unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $450
LG BH200 Super Blu Blu-Ray HD DVD Combo 1.1 None None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $800
LG BD300 2.0 None TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Philips BDP3010 1.1 unknown unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $180
Philips BDP5010 2.0 unknown unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
Philips BDP7310 2.0 unknown unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $250
Philips BDP7200 1.1 5.1 None TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $400
Funai NB500 series 1.1 None TrueHD TrueHD OOP $350
Sylvania NB530SLX 1.1 None TrueHD TrueHD OOP $200
Sylvania NB500SL9 1.1 None TrueHD TrueHD OOP $350
Magnavox NB500MG9 1.1 None TrueHD TrueHD OOP $200
Memorex MVBD-2510 1.1 5.1 TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $269
Memorex MVBD-2511 1.1 5.1 TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $269
Memorex MVBD-2520 2.0 unknown TrueHD TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
Vizio VBR100 2.0 7.1 TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200
JVC VBR100 2.0 unknown unknown TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $300
Insignia NS-BDLIVE01 2.0 none none TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $150
Toshiba BDX2000 2.0 none TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA TrueHD, DTS-HD-MA OOP $200


[Please be aware that features, prices, and release dates for players not yet released are speculative!]

Current model Blu-ray Disc players:

Sony Playstation 3 Slim
[Note: the PS3 “Slim” model is said to be capable of 3D with a firmware update but since it doesn’t have HDMI 1.4 it seems unlikely that it will be able to provide 1080p to both eyes.]
• Currently available, MSRP $370
• Built-in WiFi
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output as PCM over HDMI
• No bitstreaming of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI to capable receivers

Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray Disc player
Access to the Bravia Internet Video platform, which includes Netflix, Amazon Video on Demand, YouTube, Pandora, Slacker, and NPR streaming capability
Can use iPhone and iPod Touch as remotes
• Currently available; $180
• WiFi capable but requires USB dongle
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI to capable receivers

Sony BDP-S470 3D Blu-ray Disc player
Specs say “Firmware update required (available July 2010) 3D viewing requires 3D content, 3D-ready HDTV and HDMI connection. Other 3D accessories (including 3D glasses and emitter) may also be required for 3D viewing.” There is no mention of HDMI 1.4 but Cnet reports that the output is, indeed 1.4. How that would work with HDMI 1.3 receivers is unclear but apparently it isn’t a problem.
Access to the Bravia Internet Video platform, which includes Netflix, Amazon Video on Demand, YouTube, Pandora, Slacker, and NPR streaming capability
Can use iPhone and iPod Touch as remotes
• Currently available; $200
• WiFi capable but requires USB dongle
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.4 to capable receivers

Sony BDP-S570 3D Blu-ray Disc player
Specs say “Firmware update required (available July 2010) 3D viewing requires 3D content, 3D-ready HDTV and HDMI connection. Other 3D accessories (including 3D glasses and emitter) may also be required for 3D viewing.” There is no mention of HDMI 1.4 but Cnet reports that the output is, indeed 1.4. How that would work with HDMI 1.3 receivers is unclear but apparently it isn’t a problem.
Access to the Bravia Internet Video platform, which includes Netflix, Amazon Video on Demand, YouTube, Pandora, Slacker, and NPR streaming capability
Can use iPhone and iPod Touch as remotes
Cnet Review
• Currently available; $250
• Built-in WiFi
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.4 to capable receivers


Panasonic DMP-BD45
• Currently available, MSRP $160
• Profile 2.0
• No WiFi capability?
• No analog audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output as LPCM over HDMI but only for 5.1 channels
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD65 Viera Cast feature streams VOD from Amazon, YouTube, Picasa, Netflix, Pandora and Twitter
• Currently available, MSRP $180
• WiFi ready with USB dongle (not supplied)
• Profile 2.0
• No analog audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output as LPCM over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD85 , Viera Cast feature streams VOD from Amazon, YouTube, Picasa, Netflix, Pandora and Twitter, probably supports DivX
• Currently available, MSRP $250
• WiFi ready with supplied USB dongle
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 analog audio output, speaker controls unknown but probably the same as the BD80
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BDT350 3D Blu-ray Disc player
This player has dual HDMI outputs so it will support receivers with HDMI 1.3 and 3D HDTVs with HDMI 1.4
Supports Panasonic's VieraCast streaming content portal, which will feature content from Amazon Video On Demand, YouTube, Picasa, Netflix, Pandora, and Twitter
hometheaterreview.com review
bluray-players.net review
• Currently available; MSRP $430
• WiFi ready with supplied USB dongle
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 analog audio output, speaker controls unknown but probably the same as the BD80
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Oppo BDP-93 3D Blu-ray Disc player
This player has dual HDMI outputs so it will support receivers with HDMI 1.3 and 3D HDTVs with HDMI 1.4
Supports Netflix, CinemaNow, and other streaming services
Specifications
Audioholics review
• Currently available; MSRP $500
• WiFi N ready with supplied adapter
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 analog audio output, speaker controls unknown but probably the same as the BD80
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Samsung BD-C5500 Blu-ray Disc player
Supports Internet@TV/Samsung Apps, which will provide content from Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Blockbuster, Picasa, and Twitter
• Currently available; $180
• WiFi ready with USB dongle (not supplied)
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI to capable receivers

Samsung BD-C6500 Blu-ray Disc player
Supports Internet@TV/Samsung Apps, which will provide content from Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Blockbuster, Picasa, and Twitter
Built-in Wi-Fi
• Currently available; $250
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI to capable receivers

Samsung BD-C7500 Blu-ray Disc player, Slim 1.1” thick design, wall-mountable
Supports Internet@TV/Samsung Apps, which will provide content from Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Blockbuster, Picasa, and Twitter
• Currently available; $350
• Built-in Wi-Fi
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI to capable receivers

Samsung BD-C7900 3D Blu-ray Disc player
This player has dual HDMI outputs so it will support receivers with HDMI 1.3 and 3D HDTVs with HDMI 1.4
Supports Internet@TV/Samsung Apps, which will provide content from Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Blockbuster, Picasa, and Twitter
Samsung website
Bluray-players.net review
Cnet review
• Currently available; $400
• Built-in Wi-Fi
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI to capable receivers

Samsung BD-C6900 3D Blu-ray Disc player
[It is possible that this player will require an HDMI 1.4 capable receiver for lossless audio]
Supports Internet@TV/Samsung Apps, which will provide content from Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Blockbuster, Picasa, and Twitter
• Currently available; $400
• Built-in Wi-Fi
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.4 to capable receivers


LG BD550 streams Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, Roxio CinemaNow, Pandora, Internet Radio, Picasa and AccuWeather VOD
• Currently available, MSRP $200
• No WiFi capability
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

LG BD570 streams Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, Roxio CinemaNow, Pandora, Internet Radio, Picasa and AccuWeather VOD
• Currently available, MSRP $280
• Built-in WiFi
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

LG BD590 streams Netflix, Vudu, CinemaNow, YouTube, Pandora, Picasa, AccuWeather VOD (but not Amazon), built-in WiFi, has 250 GB HDD for storage, will rip CDs directly to HDD and get disc info from GraceNotes
• Currently available, MSRP $380
• Built-in WiFi
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Toshiba BDX2500
Netflix, Vudu, CinemaNow, Pandora-streaming capability
• Currently available; $200
• WiFi ready with USB dongle (not supplied)
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker controls unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI and multi-channel analog to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Toshiba BDX2700
Netflix, Vudu, CinemaNow, Pandora-streaming capability
• Currently available; $250
• Built-in Wi-Fi
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker controls unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI and multi-channel analog to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Toshiba BDX3000 3D Blu-ray Disc player
[It is possible that this player will require an HDMI 1.4 capable receiver for lossless audio]
Netflix, Vudu, CinemaNow, Pandora-streaming capability
• Third quarter 2010; MSRP unknown
• Built-in Wi-Fi likely
• Profile 2.0
• Multi-channel analog audio output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.4 to capable receivers


Denon DBP-1611UD 3D capable Blu-ray Disc player
[It is possible that this player will require an HDMI 1.4 capable receiver for lossless audio]
Netflix and You Tube streaming capability
DVD-Audio and SACD capable
http://www.dm-holdings.com/brandnews....Rel.Final.pdf
• June 2010, MSRP $400
• WiFi capability unknown
• Profile 2.0
• multichannel analog output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.4 to capable receivers

Denon DBP-2011UDCI 3D capable Blu-ray Disc player
[It is possible that this player will require an HDMI 1.4 capable receiver for lossless audio]
Netflix and You Tube streaming capability
DVD-Audio and SACD capable
http://www.dm-holdings.com/brandnews....Rel.Final.pdf
• August 2010, MSRP $800
• WiFi capability unknown
• Profile 2.0
• multichannel analog output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.4 to capable receivers


Insignia NS-BRDVD4
Netflix, CinemaNow, Pandora-streaming capability
• Currently available; $100
• No Wi-Fi capability
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers




Older model Blu-ray Disc Players:

Sony BDP-S360
• OOP; $200
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Sony BDP-N460, streams Netflix, Amazon, and other VOD, otherwise similar to S360
• OOP; $250
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI to capable receivers
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Sony BDP-S560, has built-in Wi-Fi capability, streams Netflix, Amazon and other VOD.
• OOP; $300
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Sony BDP-S350 (BDP-BX1) http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4762264&EDATE=
Operating manual
• OOP; $300
• Profile 2.0
• No Analog 5.1 or 7.1 channel audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Sony BDP-S550 http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4762264&EDATE=
Operating manual
• OOP; $400
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 analog audio output, partial speaker controls: distance & volume in pairs, no crossover adjustment
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Panasonic DMP-BD60 Viera Cast feature streams Netflix/YouTube/Amazon VOD
Operating manual
Cnet Review
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 2.0
• No analog audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output as LPCM over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD605 Viera Cast feature streams Netflix/YouTube/Amazon VOD
(This is a re-badged BD60 that includes an HDMI cable in the box and is sold at warehouse clubs, such as Costco.
• OOP, MSRP $280
• Profile 2.0
• No analog audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output as LPCM over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD80 Viera Cast feature streams Netflix/YouTube/Amazon VOD, supports DivX
Review by Big Picture Big Sound
• OOP, MSRP $300
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 analog audio output, individual speaker controls for distance and volume, fixed crossover
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD30 http://panasonic.net/pavc/blu-ray/dm...fications.html
• OOP, MSRP $400
• Profile 1.1
• 5.1 analog audio output, no decent speaker controls
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD35
• OOP, MSRP $300
• Profile 2.0
• No analog audio output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output as LPCM over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD50 http://panasonic.net/pavc/blu-ray/dm...fications.html
http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...22008022415775
Operating manual
• OOP, MSRP $700
• Profile 2.0
• 5.1 analog audio output, no decent speaker controls
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Panasonic DMP-BD55
Big Picture Big Sound Review
cnet Review
Operating manual
• OOP, $400
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 analog audio output, partial speaker controls: distance in pairs, no crossover adjustment, but individual volume control for each speaker
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Oppo BDP-83
Features and Specs
Operating manual
Enjoythemusic.com Review
• Currently available, MSRP $500
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speakers adjustable for distance and volume; adjustable crossover
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Denon DVD-2500BTCI http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3953.asp
• OOP, MSRP $1000
• Profile 1.1
• No multichannel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Denon DVD-3800BDCI http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3961.asp
• OOP, MSRP $2000
• Profile 1.1
• 7.1 channel analog output, full speaker controls
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Marantz BD8002 http://us.marantz.com/Marantz_-_Blu-...se_-_Final.pdf
• OOP, MSRP $2100
• Profile 1.1
• 7.1 channel analog output, full speaker controls
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Pioneer BDP-120
• OOP, $250
• Profile 2.0
• None
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Pioneer BDP-320
• OOP, $300
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker controls unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Pioneer BDP-23FD
• OOP, $600
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker controls unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Pioneer BDP-51FD
Operating manual
• OOP, $600
• Profile 1.1
• 7.1 channel analog output, no decent speaker controls
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI (DTS-HD Master Audio to be added via firmware update)
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Pioneer BDP-05FD
Operating Manual
• OOP, $800
• Profile 1.1
• 7.1 channel analog output, no decent speaker controls
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI (DTS-HD Master Audio to be added via firmware update)
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Pioneer BDP-09FD Pictures and description of player
• OOP, $2200
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, full speaker controls?
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Samsung BD-P4600 streams Netflix VOD, has WiFi internet capability, supports DivX, unusual styling, very fast boot and disc loading
• OOP, MSRP $350
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Samsung BD-P3600 streams Netflix VOD, supports DivX
Operating Manual
• OOP, MSRP $300
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Samsung BD-P1600 streams Netflix VOD
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Samsung BD-P1500
• OOP, MSRP $400
• Profile 1.1 (2.0 capable)
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Samsung BD-P2500
• OOP, MSRP $500
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Samsung BD-P2550 streams Netflix VOD
Operating Manual
• OOP, MSRP $350
• Profile 1.1 (2.0 capable)
• 7.1 channel analog output, no decent speaker controls
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Samsung BD-UP5500 HD DVD/Blu-ray combo player
• OOP, MSRP $600
• Profile 1.1
• 5.1 channel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog or HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


LG BD270
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 1.1?
• No multichannel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog or HDMI known
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

LG BD370 streams Netflix, You Tube, and some other VOD
• OOP, MSRP $250
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog or HDMI known
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

LG BD390 streams Netflix VOD, has WiFi internet capability, built in 1 GB memory
• OOP, MSRP $450
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker controls unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog or HDMI unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

LG BH200 Super Blu Blu-Ray HD DVD Combo
• OOP, MSRP $800 (but available for much less)
• Profile 1.1
• No multichannel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog or HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

LG BD300 streams Netflix VOD
• OOP, MSRP $300
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Philips BDP3010
• OOP, MSRP $180
• Profile 1.1
• 5.1 channel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Philips BDP5010
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 2.0
• Multichannel analog output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Philips BDP7310 DivX, WMV capable
• OOP, MSRP $250
• Profile 2.0
• Multichannel analog output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Philips BDP7200
• OOP, MSRP $400
• Profile 1.1
• 5.1 channel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Funai NB500 series http://www.funai.us/bluRayDiscFunai.aspx
Operating manual
• OOP, MSRP $350
• Profile 1.1
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers, no bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio


Sylvania NB530SLX (appears to be a rebadged Funai)
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 1.1
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers, no bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio

Sylvania NB500SL9 (appears to be a rebadged Funai)
• OOP, MSRP $350
• Profile 1.1
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers, no bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio


Magnavox NB500MG9 (appears to be a rebadged Funai)
Operating manual
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 1.1
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers, no bitstream output of DTS-HD Master Audio


Memorex MVBD-2510
• OOP, MSRP $269
• Profile 1.1
• 5.1 channel analog output, , speaker distance and volume adjustable, no crossover adjustment
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Memorex MVBD-2511
• OOP, MSRP $269
• Profile 2.0?
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker distance and volume adjustable, no crossover adjustment
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over analog and HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers

Memorex MVBD-2520
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 2.0
• Multichannel analog output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD for output over HDMI, no onboard decoding of DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Vizio VBR100
• OOP, MSRP $180
• Profile 2.0
• 7.1 channel analog output, speaker controls unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over analog and HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


JVC XV-BP1
• OOP, MSRP $300
• Profile 2.0
• Multichannel analog output unknown
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio unknown
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Insignia NS-BDLIVE01 http://insigniaproducts.com/products...-BDLIVE01.html
This player is a Best Buy store brand. It does not have VOD streaming or WiFi capability.
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• OOP, MSRP $150
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• No onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI 1.3 to capable receivers


Toshiba BDX2000
• OOP, MSRP $200
• Profile 2.0
• No multichannel analog output
• Onboard decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI
• Bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for output over HDMI



Glossary:

Profile 1.1 (also called “Bonus View”): Allows the use of such features as “Picture-in-Picture” commentaries.

Profile 2.0 (also called “BD Live”): Has an ethernet connection for viewing features on-line.

Bitstream: Allows the digital audio signal to be sent unprocessed to an HDMI 1.3 receiver with onboard decoding of lossless codecs. Please be aware that in order to listen to commentaries, menu sounds, and the like, it is necessary to use PCM output so that the sound can be mixed in the player.

PCM, LPCM: Pulse-Code Modulation, Linear Pulse-Code Modulation. This is a digital format that can be used to transmit audio over HDMI to a digital receiver. Technically it is a digital representation of an analog signal. Some Blu-ray Discs use PCM to encode uncompressed audio tracks, but it is inefficient and takes a lot of space. Players that can decode lossless codecs can output them as PCM over HDMI to an HDMI equipped receiver or, in some cases, over multi-channel analog outputs to an older receiver with multi-channel analog inputs.

Dolby TrueHD: Lossless multi-channel audio codec from Dolby Laboratories. Optical and coax S/PDIF connections don’t have the bandwidth to carry this codec, so it requires HDMI (for either bitstream or PCM transmission to the receiver) or on-board decoding for multi-channel analog output. TrueHD is more space efficient than a PCM audio track, but otherwise identical when decoded.

DTS-HD Master Audio: Lossless multi-channel audio codec from Digital Theater System. Optical and coax S/PDIF connections don’t have the bandwidth to carry this codec, so it requires HDMI (for either bitstream or PCM transmission to the receiver) or on-board decoding for multi-channel analog output. DTS-HD MA is more space efficient than a PCM audio track, but otherwise identical when decoded.

S/PDIF: Sony/Philips Digital Interconnect Format. This is the legacy audio interface used to connect DVD players and Home Theater Receivers. It does not have the bandwidth for lossless audio codecs nor for uncompressed PCM audio.

Lossless: As used here, it refers to compressed audio codecs that retain all of the information of the original. When decoded, a lossless audio track is bit for bit identical to the original.

HDMI: High-Definition Multimedia Interface. This is the current interface for audio/visual connections in High Definition devices. It can accommodate high definition video signals as well as lossless audio tracks. HDMI is similar to DVI, except that the latter interface does not accommodate audio. For HDMI/DVI adapters or cables to work, the HD display must be HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) compliant.

Codec: An algorithm used to encode a particular audio or video signal.

1080p/24: Refers to a player that can output a 1080 x 1920 progressive scan video signal in 24 frames per second. This is useful if one has a display that is capable of accepting a 1080p/24 input and outputting video at a multiple of 24 Hz (usually 72 or 120 Hz). Most films are shot at 24 fps so it is believed that discs encoded at 24 fps and displayed at an even multiple of that frame rate will have an improved picture quality, thanks to the reduced processing required to convert them to 30 or 60 Hz (called 3:2 pulldown).

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• Profile 1.1; assumed to be capable of Profile 2.0 with a firmware update
although the firmware has not been released yet, i believe that the PS3 is confirmed, not just assumed, to be capable of Profile 2.0 as of CES.

awesome, well laid-out summary, by the way!
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although the firmware has not been released yet, i believe that the PS3 is confirmed, not just assumed, to be capable of Profile 2.0 as of CES.
Correct. Sony had a large display at CES announcing that profile 2.0 would be available soon for the PS3, although no availability date was announced.

And I agree that this is an awesome idea, and very well laid out. Maybe it could be made sticky?
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Can the PS3 be made capable of bitstreaming unprocessed audio via HDMI with a firmware upgrade, or is there a hardware-limiting restriction?
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Can the PS3 be made capable of bitstreaming unprocessed audio via HDMI with a firmware upgrade, or is there a hardware-limiting restriction?
although it's been difficult to find a definitive answer to this question, most people seem to agree that there is a hardware-limiting restriction, based on the particular HDMI 1.3 hardware used in the PS3.
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Old 02-12-08, 07:37 PM   #6
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Cool -- thanks very much for this, Lizard!
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Maybe more useful if presented as table - with models on the vertical axis and features/prices/dates on the horizontal.

It would make comparisons a lot easier.
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The PS3 is already capable of Profile 2.0, it just hasn't been released to the public yet. It was how 2.0 features were tested and implemented like on the Saw IV disc.
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The Panasonic DMP-BD30 can bitstream DTS HD Master Audio.
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Has anyone had any experience with HD-SDI modded Blu-Ray players yet? Are we allowed to discuss this? Sorry ahead of time if the answer is no.
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This chart has been in circulation at Blu-Ray.com for some time now and has great info in it. I believe Namja also linked it.*

http://www.idoblu.co.uk/page2%20Blu-ray%20Players.html

*Release dates are in Euro standard: day/month/year.

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Old 02-13-08, 12:05 PM   #12
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Lizard said before that he didn't want a PS3.
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although the firmware has not been released yet, i believe that the PS3 is confirmed, not just assumed, to be capable of Profile 2.0 as of CES.

awesome, well laid-out summary, by the way!
Thank you. I've made the correction.
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Maybe more useful if presented as table - with models on the vertical axis and features/prices/dates on the horizontal.

It would make comparisons a lot easier.
I considered turning this information into a table but it takes a lot of time to format one and my focus yesterday was on assembling the information. I'll try to get to it when I can.

Edit: I've added a table with the basic information.
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The Panasonic DMP-BD30 can bitstream DTS HD Master Audio.
I've made the correction. The Panasonic specifications for the BD30 say "DTS-HD", which is not the same thing as "DTS-HD Master Audio", so I wasn't sure.
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This chart has been in circulation at Blu-Ray.com for some time now and has great info in it. I believe Namja also linked it.*

http://www.idoblu.co.uk/page2%20Blu-ray%20Players.html

*Release dates are in Euro standard: day/month/year.
I agree that it is a very helpful chart, which is why I included that link in my original post above. Doesn't have the Denon players though.

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Lizard said before that he didn't want a PS3.
That's true, the PS3 doesn't meet my needs in several respects. But I led off my list with it because I am aware that it is the most popular BD player and it will soon be Profile 2.0 compliant.

I'm currently leaning toward the Panny BD50, but it seems likely to be way too expensive for me. I may have to wait a year or so until it is replaced by a newer model and try to pick one up at a clearance sale.
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I considered turning this information into a table but it takes a lot of time to format one and my focus yesterday was on assembling the information. I'll try to get to it when I can.

Edit: I've added a table with the basic information.
I find the table a lot more easy to read and use as a comparison tool. Thanks!!!!
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The Panasonic BD30 is now at $430, shipped, from Amazon/Vanns.
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The Panasonic BD30 is now at $430, shipped, from Amazon/Vanns.
Its $369 at Fry's if you have one nearby.
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You know that's really tempting for the BD30. I was going to wait for the PS3 to decode DTS-HD MA, but if I can find the BD30 locally under $400 I might go for it.

I don't see this in the local IL add for this weekend though, and their site says $499. Maybe this is a deal just for your store?
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Well so much for buying the BD30. I'm not buying into what appears to be an unfixable PCM issue with the LFE channel.

This thread is a must-read for anyone considering the BD30:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=983656&page=1
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While the LFE issue on the BD30 is very real, there are workarounds to solve the problem.
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thanks for this thread lizard
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While the LFE issue on the BD30 is very real, there are workarounds to solve the problem.
I'm aware of them.

I have an Onkyo 605 which I don't believe I can raise the Subwoofer channel output on - only lower it.

I've thought about it some more, and after considering how many Blu-Ray''s I have with DTS-HD (over 50), I may still get the BD30 for under $400 just for those films. I have a PS3 and BDP-S1. While I'd like to retire the BDP-S1 completely from my HT to free up space, if I have to use it for PCM movies, so be it. The bug doesn't affect bitstreamed TrueHD or DTS-HD thankfully. And of course I can always use my PS3, but since I actually use it and bought it primarily for gaming, I haven't played too many movies on it.
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So the PS3 is the cheapest BD player available, aside from others going on sale?
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So the PS3 is the cheapest BD player available, aside from others going on sale?
I think that's correct.

One of the older Samsung's might be on sale somewhere (should still be avoided though), and the BDP-S300 was going for 299.99 at a lot of places during the holidays, but is probably back up to around $350-$400 now.

The PS3 is still the best choice IMO at that price point. The Panny BD30 would be the most obvious competitor, but it's not a perfect machine.
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Well some great news for the BD30. It's been confirmed multiple beta testers have new firmware that fixes the LFE issue, and Panasonic is apparently ready to release the firmware Monday. See the relevant AVS thread for more info.

I feel even better now about getting the BD30 this week for $439.
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