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GENERAL
WHEN
Watch a film that takes place during five different centuries prior to the 21th Century (Note Century of setting):
--- Movie 1 (Century)
--- Movie 2 (Century)
--- Movie 3 (Century)
--- Movie 4 (Century)
--- Movie 5 (Century)

WHERE
Watch 5 movies about historical events of different countries (Note Country of setting).
--- Movie 1 (Country)
--- Movie 2 (Country)
--- Movie 3 (Country)
--- Movie 4 (Country)
--- Movie 5 (Country)

WHO _/10
Watch at least five of the ten following subcategories:

FOLKLORE & FAITH
--- Film about prehistory
--- Film about the mythology of Antiquity (i.e., Greek gods, dramatization of Homeric poems, etc.)
--- Film about religious history (based on either recorded historical events or fables arising from Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc.)
--- Film about a folk hero
--- Film about either the Humanities (fine arts) or Sports figure/event

HEY, THEY WERE THERE, TOO!: A LOOK AT MARGINALIZED PEOPLES
(Focus on prominent figures from history and/or depictions of their minority group's oppression, etc.)
--- Film about Women's History
--- Film about Race Relations
--- Film about the LGBTQ Community
--- Film about Religious Minority
--- Film about Immigrants

TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY
--- Watch at least two movies about the same person/event where each movie is from a different perspective (1/2)
--- Watch at least two movies about the same person/event where each movie is from a different perspective (2/2)

WAR _/10
Watch at least five of the following ten War subcategories:

--- Anti-War film
--- Military Comedy
--- Prisoner of War/Escape film
--- Resistance Movement/Civilians film
--- Submarine film
--- War Spy
--- War film that was produced *during* that war
--- Film about war criminals
--- Film about veterans after the war (framing a "flashback" film doesn't count, so no Saving Private Ryan for this one)
--- Wartime propaganda film OR a film produced by the military

WESTERN _/10
Watch at least five of these ten Western subcategories:

--- The Union Pacific story. (The plot concerns construction of a railroad, a telegraph line, or some other type of modern technology or transportation.) Wagon train stories probably fall into this category.
--- The ranch story. (The plot concerns threats to the ranch from rustlers or large landowners attempting to force out the proper owners.)
--- The empire story. (The plot might involve building up a ranch empire or an oil empire from scratch, a classic rags-to-riches plot.)
--- The revenge story. (The plot often involves an elaborate chase and pursuit, but it may also include elements of the classic mystery story.)
--- The cavalry and Indian story. (The plot revolves around taming the wilderness for white settlers.)
--- The outlaw story. (The outlaw gangs dominate the action.)
--- The marshal story. (The lawman and his challenges drive the plot.)
--- "Export Western" - a Western not actually set in America. There have been numerous Westerns set in Australia, for instance. Samurai films could count for this, too, given the relationship between the two genres.
--- Western movie with a direct connection to a TV show, since Westerns were part of TV's golden age before the Space Generation
--- Neo-Western (i.e., a Western set in more contemporary times, to demonstrate the genre is still alive)

ZEITGEIST WILD CARDS
Because an argument can be made that some movies which fall outside the "obvious" scope of our challenge really are consistent with its spirit, you're permitted to watch and check off up to three optional movies of your choice.
--- Zeitgeist Wild Card #1
--- Zeitgeist Wild Card #2
--- Zeitgeist Wild Card #3[/QUOTE]

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Old 05-23-17, 04:20 PM   #1
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Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

Welcome to the Eighth Annual Historical Films challenge.

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  • Challenge runs June 1-30 2017. Memorial Day weekend is a bonus if you aren't participating in another challenge or want to take a break from it.
  • Movies and TV content about an historical figure, event or period are eligible.
  • Genres also include Westerns, War Movies, Biographical films and Period Films.
  • Historical Documentaries
  • Zeitgeist Wild Cards. These are for films that aren't technically period films, but are time capsules of their era. Films like Rebel Without a Cause, Easy Rider, Saturday Night Fever, Valley Girl. They might have been contemporary when released, but they forever represent their time periods. We have three on the checklist, but the actual amount is unlimited.

Total counts really aren't as important in this challenge. Most of the eligible films tend to be rather long, so go ahead and watch Lawrence of Arabia or Barry Lyndon. You can count however you wish. Each episode can count as a single entry rather than the standard 2 broadcast hours equals an entry.

If you have specific questions about a film's eligibility, then please ask in the thread.

Don't abuse the Zeitgeist Wild Card. We're talking the type of film you would consider dressing up as at a theme party. For instance, Vanishing Point takes place in the 70s and is dated, but you wouldn't say it represents what we think of as the 70s, compared to something like Billy Jack, with its 70s era hippies/Kung fu pseudo-spiritualism cheesiness.

I'm proposing one slight change to the rules. I'm allowing in time travel fantasy as long as the time travel is just an element to get the character to the past. Examples would be A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, Voyagers!, Outlander, Life on Mars, Quantum Leap, and the like. We're not talking something like Doctor Who, but programs where the protagonist is put back to previous time period and has to deal with it in a non sci-fi way. Fish out of water type stories or those with strong history elements. You can back load these on the final day so they can count for the Sci-Fi challenge but you are welcome to watch them whenever you wish for this challenge. Any objections to the new change?

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Old 05-23-17, 08:06 PM   #2
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Re: Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

I wouldn't mind the change.

As for the change to online historical documentaries, I don't mind that either, as between Dogfights, and Victory At Sea, I have two series of historical documentaries. I can also watch Band Of Brothers on HBO Go, and The Tudors, on Showtime Anytime.
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Old 05-24-17, 08:31 AM   #3
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Re: Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

I'm considering re-watching Roots for the first time since broadcast TV days.
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Old 05-24-17, 12:29 PM   #4
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I just installed Dolby Atmos/DTS-X not too long ago and have been saving Apocalypse Now for a special occasion. Might have to break it out. It used to be my favorite demo disk back in the Laserdisc days.
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I'm OK with the time travel change. If I didn't already have enough traditional fare to fill 3+ months of this one I'd use it to finish Quantum Leap...
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Re: Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

Change sounds good
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For instance, The French Connection takes place in the 70s and is dated, but you wouldn't say it represents what we think of as the 70s,
Wouldn't the French Connection be suitable for this challenge?

It's adapted from a non-fiction book with characters and story based on real life people/events. And according to Wikipedia:

"In 2005, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being 'culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant'."
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Re: Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

I didn't get to watch too much during May's MYOC. So I think I'm going to continue my 80's theme. Historical movies made during the 80's. And maybe I'll do some modern movies set in the 80's.
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Old 05-24-17, 01:48 PM   #9
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Wouldn't the French Connection be suitable for this challenge?

It's adapted from a non-fiction book with characters and story based on real life people/events. And according to Wikipedia:

"In 2005, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being 'culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant'."
Yeah, I picked a bad example. I was just trying to think of a 70s movie that was just a movie and not a cultural touchstone. I forgot it was based on a real person/story.
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Re: Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

I've been waiting for this one.
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Would Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure qualify for the time travel angle?
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I'd allow Bill and Ted, and even Peabody & Sherman cartoons. I want to make this challenge fun.
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Since we are already 16 years into the 21st Century, I'd like to propose that the checklist item of 5 films set prior to the 20th century be changed to the 21st Century.
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I recently bought Full Metal Jacket at Wal-Mart about a month and a half ago. Been looking for an excuse to open it up and revisit that classic film. Haven't seen Cutthroat Island in years either. And since I love pirate films, this will be a good chance to revisit that as well. Speaking of pirates, been looking for an excuse to finally watch Black Sails, since, since we have Starz on Dish, I get Starz On Demand, on Roku.

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Would Time Tunnel episodes to the past count? Or did those get too sci-fi? I own the series, but have only seen the first few episodes.

Also, what of documentaries about people? I know Amazon Prime has one on Ray Harryhausen, and I have a couple documentaries on Tolkien on Google Play.
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Documentaries on people or historical events are fine. Errol Morris type are OK. Michael Moore and Steve Bannon docs are OK. There's a great one that was on Netflix whose name escapes me that was about a recreation of different time periods meals.

I've never seen Time Tunnel, but if it's historical then it's OK. We're being more lenient this year than in the past.
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Re: Eighth Annual Historical Films Challenge June 1-30 2017

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Would Time Tunnel episodes to the past count? Or did those get too sci-fi? I own the series, but have only seen the first few episodes.
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I've never seen Time Tunnel, but if it's historical then it's OK. We're being more lenient this year than in the past.
I have seen The Time Tunnel (several times - I own a copy). I'd say the journeys to the past are OK. Much like Quantum Leap the SF part is mostly with them jumping in/out of a time period. There *are* the occasional "Lets try to send them something they need to help" on the part of the Project Tick-Tock scientists but it's rather minimal.
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Thanks. That's why I changed the rule. Shows like that might use science fiction, but it is a device just to put modern characters into history so we can better relate to the events and cultural differences.
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Oh, this might be pushing it, but I'm allowing in 11-22-63, the Stephen King miniseries, as well. I've been dying to see it and this gives me an excuse.
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I have seen The Time Tunnel (several times - I own a copy). I'd say the journeys to the past are OK. Much like Quantum Leap the SF part is mostly with them jumping in/out of a time period. There *are* the occasional "Lets try to send them something they need to help" on the part of the Project Tick-Tock scientists but it's rather minimal.
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Thanks. That's why I changed the rule. Shows like that might use science fiction, but it is a device just to put modern characters into history so we can better relate to the events and cultural differences.
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know, so I wanted to ask.
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Yeah, I picked a bad example. I was just trying to think of a 70s movie that was just a movie and not a cultural touchstone. I forgot it was based on a real person/story.
THE FRENCH CONNECTION, though made in 1971, was about events that took place a decade earlier, so it is, to all intents and purposes, a historical film. Just to give you an example of how it played to audiences in the '70s, I remember seeing it back then with two black friends who pointed out that the scene where Popeye and Russo barge into a black bar in Brooklyn and roust the patrons might have happened that way in the early '60s but was not something that would be tolerated in the Black Power era.
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[*]Challenge runs June 1-30 2017. Memorial Day is a bonus day if you aren't participating in another challenge or want to take a break from it.
Any chance we can start on the evening of May 31st? There is a screening of Norma Rae near me that night that I was wanting to go to.

If not, no big deal, but I figured it can't hurt to ask.
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Would Hidalgo qualify as a western? I've been thinking of revisiting that movie, since I haven't watched it in years. If not, it's no big deal. I could probably squeeze it in on the last few days of this month under my make your own challenge.
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Any chance we can start on the evening of May 31st? There is a screening of Norma Rae near me that night that I was wanting to go to.

If not, no big deal, but I figured it can't hurt to ask.
As far as I am concerned, this is Memorial Day Weekend, so if it does not interfere with participation in the current Make Your Own Challenge, you can start tonight. TCM is showing War movies all weekend and that was the original focus of this challenge (and Westerns).

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As far as I am concerned, this is Memorial Day Weekend. If it does not interfere with participation in the current Make Your Own Challenge, you can start tonight. TCM is showing War movies all weekend and that was the original focus of this challenge (and Westerns).
In that case, I just may start later tonight.
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Would Hidalgo qualify as a western?
IMDB calls it a Western. It should also count as a Historical movie. It's a biographical film based on a real person (although his exploits are probably exaggerated).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Hopkins
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