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WHEN
Watch a film that takes place during five different centuries prior to the 21th Century (Note Century of setting):
--- Movie 1 (Century)
--- Movie 2 (Century)
--- Movie 3 (Century)
--- Movie 4 (Century)
--- Movie 5 (Century)

WHERE
Watch 5 movies about historical events of different countries (Note Country of setting).
--- Movie 1 (Country)
--- Movie 2 (Country)
--- Movie 3 (Country)
--- Movie 4 (Country)
--- Movie 5 (Country)

WHO _/10
Watch at least five of the ten following subcategories:

FOLKLORE & FAITH
--- Film about prehistory
--- Film about the mythology of Antiquity (i.e., Greek gods, dramatization of Homeric poems, etc.)
--- Film about religious history (based on either recorded historical events or fables arising from Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc.)
--- Film about a folk hero
--- Film about either the Humanities (fine arts) or Sports figure/event

HEY, THEY WERE THERE, TOO!: A LOOK AT MARGINALIZED PEOPLES
(Focus on prominent figures from history and/or depictions of their minority group's oppression, etc.)
--- Film about Women's History
--- Film about Race Relations
--- Film about the LGBTQ Community
--- Film about Religious Minority
--- Film about Immigrants

TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY
--- Watch at least two movies about the same person/event where each movie is from a different perspective (1/2)
--- Watch at least two movies about the same person/event where each movie is from a different perspective (2/2)

WAR _/10
Watch at least five of the following ten War subcategories:

--- Anti-War film
--- Military Comedy
--- Prisoner of War/Escape film
--- Resistance Movement/Civilians film
--- Submarine film
--- War Spy
--- War film that was produced *during* that war
--- Film about war criminals
--- Film about veterans after the war (framing a "flashback" film doesn't count, so no Saving Private Ryan for this one)
--- Wartime propaganda film OR a film produced by the military

WESTERN _/10
Watch at least five of these ten Western subcategories:

--- The Union Pacific story. (The plot concerns construction of a railroad, a telegraph line, or some other type of modern technology or transportation.) Wagon train stories probably fall into this category.
--- The ranch story. (The plot concerns threats to the ranch from rustlers or large landowners attempting to force out the proper owners.)
--- The empire story. (The plot might involve building up a ranch empire or an oil empire from scratch, a classic rags-to-riches plot.)
--- The revenge story. (The plot often involves an elaborate chase and pursuit, but it may also include elements of the classic mystery story.)
--- The cavalry and Indian story. (The plot revolves around taming the wilderness for white settlers.)
--- The outlaw story. (The outlaw gangs dominate the action.)
--- The marshal story. (The lawman and his challenges drive the plot.)
--- "Export Western" - a Western not actually set in America. There have been numerous Westerns set in Australia, for instance. Samurai films could count for this, too, given the relationship between the two genres.
--- Western movie with a direct connection to a TV show, since Westerns were part of TV's golden age before the Space Generation
--- Neo-Western (i.e., a Western set in more contemporary times, to demonstrate the genre is still alive)

ZEITGEIST WILD CARDS
Because an argument can be made that some movies which fall outside the "obvious" scope of our challenge really are consistent with its spirit, you're permitted to watch and check off up to three optional movies of your choice.
--- Zeitgeist Wild Card #1
--- Zeitgeist Wild Card #2
--- Zeitgeist Wild Card #3[/QUOTE]

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Old 06-11-17, 06:10 PM   #101
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It also shows how easily properly presented propaganda can influence a nation's peoples and get them to do things they otherwise might not.
If half-baked obvious and easily-disproven outright lies can still convince millions of people they are 'truths', any halfway-decent propaganda machine can work (dangerous) miracles...
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question: 'Zeitgeist Wild Cards' don't have to apply to video/film based content - right? I just saw 'Anastasia' on Broadway and am thinking of including it as a wild card.
Include it WITHOUT a wildcard - it's surely as/more historically viable than many films that squarely count...

Was it any good?
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Yeah, Anastasia would count, regardless. I have no problem with theater being counted. Hell, I count panel discussions at Drive-in movie and Horror conventions.
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Old 06-12-17, 04:36 AM   #104
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I woke up early this morning, so thought I'd watch a couple things for the Challenge. I just finished a couple episodes of Xena: Warrior Princess, on Hulu, including an episode that introduced my favorite character in the series, Kevin Smith, as Ares. I forget the exact year it happened, but I still remember what I was doing when I heard that he had died in a horseback accident, while filming a stunt for a movie, in either New Zealand, or Australia.
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Old 06-12-17, 08:55 AM   #105
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question: 'Zeitgeist Wild Cards' don't have to apply to video/film based content - right? I just saw 'Anastasia' on Broadway and am thinking of including it as a wild card.
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Include it WITHOUT a wildcard - it's surely as/more historically viable than many films that squarely count...
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Yeah, Anastasia would count, regardless. I have no problem with theater being counted. Hell, I count panel discussions at Drive-in movie and Horror conventions.
Well, I guess I'll go back and count the live theatre performance of Rock of Ages that I didn't think would qualify.
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Old 06-12-17, 12:02 PM   #106
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Not seen it, but as long as it actually takes place in the 80s (as I assume it does, by its soundtrack and premise), then it should count.
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Include it WITHOUT a wildcard - it's surely as/more historically viable than many films that squarely count...

Was it any good?
Oh i liked it tremendously - with the new songs that obviously weren't in the movie it made it better. Set design and use of projected imagery was fantastic - the ending of Act 1 was a stunner.
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Oh i liked it tremendously - with the new songs that obviously weren't in the movie it made it better. Set design and use of projected imagery was fantastic - the ending of Act 1 was a stunner.
I should revisit the movie. Other than a couple of Big Songs, I thought the movie was a little slow, and I didn't like the comic-relief non-humans.
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Old 06-12-17, 12:21 PM   #109
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I should revisit the movie. Other than a couple of Big Songs, I thought the movie was a little slow, and I didn't like the comic-relief non-humans.
thankfully for the Broadway version both Bartok and Rasputin aren't in it, the musical mixes the story of the animated version and the 1956 Yul Brynner movie
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Old 06-12-17, 01:45 PM   #110
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While browsing AHC GO, on my tablet, I just discovered a very good show, called, What History Forgot. It features segments of little known history facts that most people don't know, like a terrorist attack that happened on Liberty Island during World War I, to keep America from sending ammunition to the Allies during the war, or how Monopoly played a role in helping over 30,000 POWs escape from German POW Camps during World War II.
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thankfully for the Broadway version both Bartok and Rasputin aren't in it, the musical mixes the story of the animated version and the 1956 Yul Brynner movie
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Well, my wife and I saw the Broadway production of SUNSET BOULEVARD with Glen Close on Saturday, and, since it's a period piece which includes at least one actual historic figure (CB DeMille) I'll be counting it. Close was magnificent, and even though the musical doesn't have Billy Wilder's sardonic wit, it still works.
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I guess I should now go see 'Jesus Christ Superstar' over the Signature Theater
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Just watched a new Cinemax series (since canceled) called Quarry, which follows a Vietnam vet as he returns home and faces backlash. It also ties in civil rights and the Nixon-McGovern election. Good crime series, but not as good as previous Cinemax series Banshee and Strike Back.

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Hey, I'm going to see Cabaret and Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion this week!

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Well, my wife and I saw the Broadway production of SUNSET BOULEVARD with Glen Close on Saturday, and, since it's a period piece which includes at least one actual historic figure (CB DeMille) I'll be counting it. Close was magnificent, and even though the musical doesn't have Billy Wilder's sardonic wit, it still works.
Man, Close returning to the role after 25 years just kind of puts a new meta twist on that show.
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I just finished Season One of Dogfights. Been enjoying revisiting that show, and will likely start Season Two before the month is out. The only episode that wouldn't be eligible is the bonus episode, Dogfights Of The Future.
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I guess I should now go see 'Jesus Christ Superstar' over the Signature Theater
One of my favorite shows. I've seen it twice with Carl Anderson, once with Ted Neely. One of the Carl Anderson tours was with Sebastian Bach as Jesus but I made the mistake of seeing the Sunday matinee and of course Bach was indisposed, so we saw the understudy. The other Carl Anderson performance (the one with Ted Neely) was also supposed to have Dennis DeYoung of Styx as Pilate, but we got his understudy, as well.

I bought tickets to see the live Fathom events performance with Tim Minchin as Judas, but it got cancelled for some reason. I did finally buy the Blu-ray but was disappointed. He really doesn't have the pipes for that role and was auto-tuned.
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One of my favorite shows. I've seen it twice with Carl Anderson, once with Ted Neely. One of the Carl Anderson tours was with Sebastian Bach as Jesus but I made the mistake of seeing the Sunday matinee and of course Bach was indisposed, so we saw the understudy. The other Carl Anderson performance (the one with Ted Neely) was also supposed to have Dennis DeYoung of Styx as Pilate, but we got his understudy, as well.

I bought tickets to see the live Fathom events performance with Tim Minchin as Judas, but it got cancelled for some reason. I did finally buy the Blu-ray but was disappointed. He really doesn't have the pipes for that role and was auto-tuned.
I saw Ted Neely in the BroadwayAcrossAmerica national tour in 2009 - wow, what a performance, the guy sitting to my left was in complete awe at the end of the title song near the end of the show where Jesus rises off of the stage, his eyes were as big as saucer plates and his jaw was gaping (it was too funny).
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finally got around to my dvd of the First Churchills. A BBC TV Show from 1969. apparently it was the inspiration for Masterpiece Theater
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I saw Ted Neely in the BroadwayAcrossAmerica national tour in 2009 - wow, what a performance, the guy sitting to my left was in complete awe at the end of the title song near the end of the show where Jesus rises off of the stage, his eyes were as big as saucer plates and his jaw was gaping (it was too funny).
He tore UP Gethsemane. It's amazing what maturity can do to one's voice. His live performance was so much better than the "screaming Jesus" of the movie. The one I saw was in the early '90s with Carl Anderson. I think I missed that 2006 tour. It says it had Corey Glover of Living Colour as Judas and I think I sadly passed that one up.

I was also lucky enough to catch Michael Crawford on a tour doing the "Music of Andrew Lloyd Webber" and he did Gethsemane, as well. Not lucky enough to catch him actually doing Phantom, but he sang most of his Phantom songs (and even other character's songs he liked) in that show.

I was fortunate enough to catch revivals of Jesus Christ Superstar with Carl Anderson and Ted Neeley, Cabaret with Joel Grey, Camelot with Richard Harris, and Fiddler on the Roof with Topol.

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Thanks to this Challenge, I discovered a show that I've greatly enjoyed watching, Ancient Assassins. I've been watching episodes of it on both AHC on Demand, on TV, and on AHC GO, on my tablet. It's amazing how great some of the warriors and special forces were back in both ancient and medieval times.
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I'm not counting it for the Challenge, but I just watched a history making stunt on TV. Erindera Wallenda did a record breaking stunt, where she hung from a helicopter over Niagara Falls, including in part of her routine, hanging from her teeth, to celebrate the anniversary of her husband's tightrope walk over the Falls. The reason I'm not counting it for the Challenge, however, is that while it may have been history making, since it took place today, it wasn't in history.
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This morning I watched Gods and Generals, the Extended Director's Edition. Man... that's a looooong film! It clocks in at 4 1/2 hours *before* the credits roll! I found it interesting but there were times it dropped to a crawl... mostly telling the story of Boothe, which felt mostly fictional (but I've never read enough about him to know just how much *is* known), but also at other times. Due to the length I don't know how often I'll watch this one but do feel it deserves more than 1 viewing.

I almost followed it with Gettysburg but it, too, is over 4 hours! I couldn't convince myself to do over 8 hours on Civil War films today. Maybe tomorrow...

Last night I wanted something light before bed so I put in S1 of Hogan's Heroes - a long-time favorite. I now feel the need to get in some McHale's Navy and You'll Never Get Rich (aka The Phil Silvers Show just to watch something from the three main service branches. I considered Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. but as there's no war going on in the series it doesn't truly have the "Historical" area covered.
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This morning I watched Gods and Generals, the Extended Director's Edition. Man... that's a looooong film! It clocks in at 4 1/2 hours *before* the credits roll! I found it interesting but there were times it dropped to a crawl... mostly telling the story of Boothe, which felt mostly fictional (but I've never read enough about him to know just how much *is* known), but also at other times. Due to the length I don't know how often I'll watch this one but do feel it deserves more than 1 viewing.

I almost followed it with Gettysburg but it, too, is over 4 hours! I couldn't convince myself to do over 8 hours on Civil War films today. Maybe tomorrow...

Last night I wanted something light before bed so I put in S1 of Hogan's Heroes - a long-time favorite. I now feel the need to get in some McHale's Navy and You'll Never Get Rich (aka The Phil Silvers Show just to watch something from the three main service branches. I considered Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. but as there's no war going on in the series it doesn't truly have the "Historical" area covered.


I own both Gods And Generals, and Gettysburg. I'd like to watch them again sometime this month, as I do enjoy them, but I've been having trouble convincing myself to sit down and watch a four hour movie, let alone two of them.
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I own both Gods And Generals, and Gettysburg. I'd like to watch them again sometime this month, as I do enjoy them, but I've been having trouble convincing myself to sit down and watch a four hour movie, let alone two of them.
Yeah... I was going to watch them both last Saturday but took a look at the times first! I decided to put it off a bit and this morning decided to just split them up for now. I may do a back-to-back viewing in the future.
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speaking of long films i watched Das Boot yesterday and its 3 1/2 hours
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