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If a category is listed as "Optional", it does not need to be 
 filled to "complete" the checklist.  There are 10 free spots you may apply to non-Optional categories.
 As with other checklists, titles can count for multiple categories.  
 
 Some of these categories are so obscure we're giving 10 free spots of your choosing to fill in the list.
 
 Watch one film from every decade of film history.
 *	1890 - (insert film title here)(Optional)
 *	1900 -(optional)
 *	1910 -(optional)
 *	1920 -(optional)
 *	1930 -
 *	1940 -
 *	1950 -
 *	1960 -
 *	1970 -
 *	1980 -
 *	1990 -
 *	2000 -
 *      2010 -
 Watch a film for each rating:
 *	G - (optional)
 *	PG -
 *	PG-13 - (optional)
 *	R -
 *	X (or NC-17) -
 *	Unrated (post-MPAA 1968) -
 
 Watch films in at least three formats (DVD, BD, HD DVD, Laserdisc, TV, online, Streaming Netflix type, UMD, theater, iPod, VHS-sourced{VHS transferred to DVD-+R is fine}).
 *	First format, (insert format), (insert title).
 *	Second format, (insert format), (insert title).
 *	Third format, (insert format), (insert title).
 
 Watch a film in an actual Drive-in.  (optional) (insert title)
 
 Watch a film in the following genres:
 
 Italian (or European) films of the following Genres:
 *	Giallo
 *	Sword & Sandal
 *	Spaghetti Western
 *	Cannibal Film
 Martial Arts film:
 *	Bruce Lee-sploitation (Starring any variation on Bruce Li, Le, etc.)
 *	Hong Kong (or other Asian) film
 *	American film
 *	Any "Ninja" film
 *              Bonus*  Actual Bruce Lee film
 Asian Action Film
 Biker Film
 Stoner Film
 Carsploitation Film
 FADsploitation
 Blaxploitation
 Sexploitation:
 *	Any type
 *	Nudie Cutie
 *	Roughie
 *	70s Porn
 *	Emmanuelle Film
 *      Teen Sex Comedy
 Nunsploitation
 Shocksploitation
 Rape/Revenge Film
 Vigilante Film
 Women in Prison
 Nazisploitation
 Eschploitation (religious end times, or general religious exploitation)
 Hixploitation/Moonshiners
 Roadshow Exploitation/30s-40s "Cautionary" films
 Juvenile Delinquent Film
 60s Beach Movie
 Film starring Musical Group or Music Star (that did not become a legit actor)
 *             *Bonus* Elvis film
 Ozploitation
 Mexican Wrestling Film
 Foreign "Ripoff" film (such as Turkish cinema)
 Eco-Terror Film
 Pre-90s Post-Apocalyptic film
 "Mondo" Film
 Documentary ABOUT Exploitation/Drive-ins or those involved in their production
 Video Nasty
 Critical Bomb (Less than 20% Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic or IMDB Bottom 100  {Bottom 100 archive})
 Financial Bomb
 Razzie Winner or Nominee
 MST3K/RiffTrax (or Cinematic Titanic) version of a film
 
 Watch 3 Paycheck films, A.K.A. Nick Cage memorial. Films with once respected actors fallen on hard times.
 *      1
 *      2
 *      3 
 
 Watch 10 films starring anyone from the actors safe list.
 *	1  
 *	2  
 *	3  
 *	4  
 *	5  
 *	6  
 *	7  
 *	8  
 *	9  
 *	10 
 
 Watch 10 films Directed/Produced by anyone from the directors/producers safe list.
 *	1  
 *	2  
 *	3  
 *	4  
 *	5  
 *	6  
 *	7  
 *	8  
 *	9  
 *	10 
 Watch 5 films from those in the Studio/Distributor safe list.
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 *	2  
 *	3  
 *	4  
 *	5
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The following lists are Automatic Safe lists. They are not definitive and there might be exceptions therein, especially concerning Distributors. Generally, the presence of those on the lists in an actual creative capacity (that is, more than just a cameo or bit part. For instance, Bruce Campbell appearing in Spider-Man does not make Spider-Man safe) is enough to make a film safe. Got more? Post them and I'll update the list. Obviously, films not including these participants are safe, too. Update: I added several new names to the actors list. Some of these actors appeared in actual big budget Hollywood fare, but most of their career was in B-Movies, then obviously discard the Big Hollywood movies and just watch the B's (For example, William Shatner. Ignore Star Trek movies but anything else is fair game. Or Patrick Swazye. Ghost is probably not right, but most of his other films were B-Movies).

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Old 03-31-17, 11:01 PM   #76
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Re: 8th Annual Drive-in/Exploitation Challenge April 1-April 30, 2017

Well, the wife wants to see T2 this weekend, so we watched Trainspotting. I figure it counts as a stoner film, even if the sequel likely won't. Now finishing the night by finally watching Salo after first attempting it 25 years ago.

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Old 04-01-17, 10:09 AM   #77
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I finished the first volume of Trailer Trauma. As a child of the 70s i expected to have seen most of these films. Out of the 65 trailers i have only seen 7!. great stuff
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I started out with a long overdue first time viewing of For Your Height Only starring Weng Weng... it was magical.
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Old 04-01-17, 11:02 AM   #79
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Can't remember if B-movie series' and/or Films Noir are usually counted as being trend-following, and exploitative or are generally well-enough regarded as to be 'above' this type of fare..?
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Old 04-01-17, 11:18 AM   #80
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Not doing a fancy review list this year but I will try to check in here with some thoughts.

It has grown on me since my initial video store disappointment with the title but overall my 2 year old daughter seems like a bigger fan of CHUD II then I will ever be.

Robert Englund is in this movie?!?!?

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I watched Hardcore Henry last night, and it was so ridiculous it seemed like it should qualify for this challenge, but it doesn't meet the RT or Razzy standards I was hoping for, and we don't have a videogamesploitation category. Maybe a wild card....
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I watched Hardcore Henry last night, and it was so ridiculous it seemed like it should qualify for this challenge, but it doesn't meet the RT or Razzy standards I was hoping for, and we don't have a videogamesploitation category. Maybe a wild card....
That was a midnight madness film at TIFF and I think that should automatically qualify. It's an over the top action exploitation pic from every indication I've had. Might even be good for FADsploitation for its first-person-shooter antics. Check over our stuff, it we're safing Jason Statham material, I've got to think this qualifies. It was also kind of a financial bomb.
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I started out with a long overdue first time viewing of For Your Height Only starring Weng Weng... it was magical.
i got that in my pile to watch for april too.
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Can't remember if B-movie series' and/or Films Noir are usually counted as being trend-following, and exploitative or are generally well-enough regarded as to be 'above' this type of fare..?
B-movies and Film Noir are grandfathered in. If you actually understand the concept of what they are and don't need confirmation on each movie, then you can still count them. They aren't on the checklist, but you can still put them on your own list. They were the most confusing part of the original challenge for most people so I deemphasized them.

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I watched Hardcore Henry last night, and it was so ridiculous it seemed like it should qualify for this challenge, but it doesn't meet the RT or Razzy standards I was hoping for, and we don't have a videogamesploitation category. Maybe a wild card....
Yeah, we can consider this Fadsploitation. It's essentially a movie version of the FPS games in vogue right now.
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That was a midnight madness film at TIFF and I think that should automatically qualify. It's an over the top action exploitation pic from every indication I've had. Might even be good for FADsploitation for its first-person-shooter antics. Check over our stuff, it we're safing Jason Statham material, I've got to think this qualifies. It was also kind of a financial bomb.
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Yeah, we can consider this Fadsploitation. It's essentially a movie version of the FPS games in vogue right now.
At least I get double challenge credit for watching that piece of crap!
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i got that in my pile to watch for april too.
You're going to have a lot of fun with it
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I was browsing the Roku channel store earlier today, and besides some various cult and grindhouse channels, I found out Comet TV is on Roku now as a free channel. The schedule looks like a good assortment of b movie sci fi and horror flicks.
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It changes all the time, but here's a link from the OP.


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Thanks, I didn't know if we permitted the current version for the checklist or if there was a "fixed" one that was the preferred list.
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B-movies and Film Noir are grandfathered in. If you actually understand the concept of what they are and don't need confirmation on each movie, then you can still count them. They aren't on the checklist, but you can still put them on your own list. They were the most confusing part of the original challenge for most people so I deemphasized them.
I thought that was it - the middle ground/grey area group, like many Razzies and Flops - so I may list but not count them, or count unless anyone complains.

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Yeah, we can consider this Fadsploitation. It's essentially a movie version of the FPS games in vogue right now.
What's the word-from-the-top on the BigBudget'B's and superheroes? If, say, Resident Evil is squarely "in" for Ms Jovovich, videogames, usually-poorly-received and FAD, and Underworld is reasonably safe, too, is there a broadstrokes allowance for well-received, non-flop superhero fad films, or are they split into "more-or-less acceptable" (Batman and Robin, Superman IV, Superman Returns, Punisher, Jonah Hex, Catwoman) and "obviously not" (MCU) with another grey area (Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad, Blade)..?

Or, if I watch the big-budget, critically-acclaimed, box office hit The Avengers (and not the Fiennes/Thurman oddity of the same name), can I just wave vaguelly at it riding the coattails of Blade and the X-Men, or do I get weeks of vitriol for bending the rules again?!
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Well, the wife wants to see T2 this weekend, so we watched Trainspotting. I figure it counts as a stoner film, even if the sequel likely won't. Now finishing the night by finally watching Salo after first attempting it 25 years ago.
You can tell how old a person is by what movie pops into their head when titles get reused. For me, T2 is Terminator 2.

When House was popular, I would think this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091223/reference when I'd hear the name. If I was older and a little more Japanese, I might have this popping into my head http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076162/reference

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Not doing a fancy review list this year but I will try to check in here with some thoughts.

It has grown on me since my initial video store disappointment with the title but overall my 2 year old daughter seems like a bigger fan of CHUD II then I will ever be.

Robert Englund is in this movie?!?!?
There's a slightly overhead shot of the street with trick or treaters and a guy doing a slow walk looking at the camera. You can't miss him.

I liked it because I was disappointed with CHUD when it was released. I've also long since learned to judge sequels on their own and not by the original. If I always compared things to the original, I'd always be disappointed. I always looked at CHUD II as just another Return of the Living Dead (unofficial) sequel.

So far I've watched Spider Baby, which I've seen before, and Society. Never saw Society before and I heard about it when it was released but skipped it based on the vague descriptions I saw. Then I recently saw who directed it and since I like his stuff, I ordered it this week.

I did not see that ending coming. If anyone hasn't seen it but likes Re-Animator, Basket Case, and '80s style of horror, just watch it and don't spoil it by looking up what it's about or watching a trailer.

It's not a perfect movie but it was nice to watch something that turned into something I wasn't expecting at all, compared with movies that had similar plot topics. I'd also definitely rent it first instead of a blind buy. I'd say it's worth at least one watch.
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I was browsing the Roku channel store earlier today, and besides some various cult and grindhouse channels, I found out Comet TV is on Roku now as a free channel. The schedule looks like a good assortment of b movie sci fi and horror flicks.
Comet TV streams from their website too. If you like MST3K, you can catch it Sunday nights.
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I thought that was it - the middle ground/grey area group, like many Razzies and Flops - so I may list but not count them, or count unless anyone complains.
Yeah, you can count them. They are still part of the challenge. I just don't have them as part of the checklist anymore. Ever see that advert for Arby's with the "Meat Mountain"? It's not on the menu, but you can actually order it. It was actually just a joke representation of the variety of meat on the menu but they decided to actually sell it. The checklist is kind of like that. It has all the variety of movies in the challenge but it takes someone crazy to actually order a "Meat Mountain". But of course being crazy is half the point of the challenges (100 themed movies in 30/31 days?). Anyway, the B-movies and such were kind of like the curly fries and regular fries. We still sell them, but we're just advertising the meat. There's just no way for me to really explain what the difference between an A movie and a B movie from the 40s or 50s is for non-cinephiles. It's easy to explain why a movie about nurses or cheerleaders is eligible, but I can't explain why there's a difference between a Claudette Colbert and Ann Savage movie. But if you know why we prefer Tom Mix or Gene Autry over John Wayne and John Ford, then by all means watch and count those movies.

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What's the word-from-the-top on the BigBudget'B's and superheroes? If, say, Resident Evil is squarely "in" for Ms Jovovich, videogames, usually-poorly-received and FAD, and Underworld is reasonably safe, too, is there a broadstrokes allowance for well-received, non-flop superhero fad films, or are they split into "more-or-less acceptable" (Batman and Robin, Superman IV, Superman Returns, Punisher, Jonah Hex, Catwoman) and "obviously not" (MCU) with another grey area (Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad, Blade)..?

Or, if I watch the big-budget, critically-acclaimed, box office hit The Avengers (and not the Fiennes/Thurman oddity of the same name), can I just wave vaguelly at it riding the coattails of Blade and the X-Men, or do I get weeks of vitriol for bending the rules again?!
There is NO way this challenge could ever be internally consistent. It just can't. Certain entries will contradict other entries. It's ultimately a judgement call. Plus, it's just for fun and no money or prizes are on the line. So far, no one is trying to count WWF Wrestling as Horror but I'm very forgiving on entries. I'm just thrilled to be running something that others are interested in participating. That said, I do have opinions that may or may not be universally agreed with.

Has any video game film been actually well received? Maybe money-wise, but usually with shitty RT scores, so they are probably safe. Superhero films have been around long enough and are prolific enough that I actually consider them a legitimate genre now rather than just a fad. Years ago, we had Western after Western. This is just the first time in history they've been able to pull the superhero genre off, SFX-wise. So, we might need to take them on case by case basis. Obvious bombs like Batman & Robin and Superman 4 are no brainers. Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad might be just a hair outside the fudge line for inclusion. Plus, they made buttloads of money leaning them away from the fudge. But on the other hand, Suicide Squad had 25% RT while Ghost Rider had 26%. How can you not include Ghost Rider? I've SEEN Suicide Squad, and it IS a mess. Even the one good thing, Margot Robbie's ass, is borderline exploitative, so how can I not allow in Suicide Squad? I actually liked Batman v Superman, but if Suicide Squad gets the benefit of a fudge, then B v S has to get one via the transitive property. Technically the rule is below 20% RT but with some fudge room. Superman 3 has 26% and it seems obvious for fudging, so how do we say B v S's 27% is not worthy of a fudge? I think with the big budget superhero franchises, we have to go with the ones that swung for the fences but whiffed rather than allow in something like Avengers just because it's a superhero movie.
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Amazon Prime has If You Don't Stop It, You'll Go Blind which is a little bit like a Flying Circus/Benny Hill skit show combined with 70s Sex Comedy and a lot of over-the-top nudity, going through as many sex jokes as the cast possibly can in an hour and a half. It's obvious and predictable (these are mostly VERY old jokes), but everyone throws themselves into it, and it winds up being weirdly twee and hilarious. There are even two musical numbers - the middle one is actually quite good, and the finale has Uncle Sam fake-tap-dancing and the audience joining in the chorus by saying "f*ck" half a dozen times.

If you haven't seen it, try and watch it. It's... interesting and 'good'!
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Started my Challenge off with a live riff of an Ed Wood film, Glen or Glenda, at an Alamo Drafthouse with the Mads. It was pretty amazing. So glad to have finally met two of my favorite performers.
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...It's easy to explain why a movie about nurses or cheerleaders is eligible, but I can't explain why there's a difference between a Claudette Colbert and Ann Savage movie. But if you know why we prefer Tom Mix or Gene Autry over John Wayne and John Ford, then by all means watch and count those movies.
Nicely described.

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There is NO way this challenge could ever be internally consistent. It just can't. Certain entries will contradict other entries. It's ultimately a judgement call...
Yeah, I was just looking for theme-stretching logistics from the top, really!

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Has any video game film been actually well received? Maybe money-wise, but usually with shitty RT scores, so they are probably safe. Superhero films have been around long enough and are prolific enough that I actually consider them a legitimate genre now rather than just a fad. Years ago, we had Western after Western. This is just the first time in history they've been able to pull the superhero genre off, SFX-wise. So, we might need to take them on case by case basis.
That's a good point. I hadn't really thought of drawing that comparison (and I should have). For me "superheroes" cannot be a genre - but then, I suppose, to stay consistent I'd have to argue against "war" or "westerns" being separate categories, which might be harder...

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Obvious bombs like Batman & Robin and Superman 4 are no brainers. Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad might be just a hair outside the fudge line for inclusion. Plus, they made buttloads of money leaning them away from the fudge. But on the other hand, Suicide Squad had 25% RT while Ghost Rider had 26%. How can you not include Ghost Rider? I've SEEN Suicide Squad, and it IS a mess. Even the one good thing, Margot Robbie's ass, is borderline exploitative, so how can I not allow in Suicide Squad? I actually liked Batman v Superman, but if Suicide Squad gets the benefit of a fudge, then B v S has to get one via the transitive property. Technically the rule is below 20% RT but with some fudge room. Superman 3 has 26% and it seems obvious for fudging, so how do we say B v S's 27% is not worthy of a fudge? I think with the big budget superhero franchises, we have to go with the ones that swung for the fences but whiffed rather than allow in something like Avengers just because it's a superhero movie.
Damnit. That makes too much sense to argue that I should count rewatching the Marvel films this month... I guess I'll have to see if I can stomach putting up with any of the DC ones instead. Or ignore them all in favour of something even 'worse'.

B v S was clearly exploiting Civil War, and SS trying to take on Fox and Disney teams, so those might be Faddy even without being inconsistent and poorly (critically) received. And I like Superman III - and think Batman and Robin, seen as a send-up rather than a sequel, is much better than Batman Forever, at least (Which admittedly isn't saying much.) - but it's still fairly objectively bad. I had completely forgotten Ghost Rider existed. And I've never seen either. Hm.

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I'm mildly hoping the Library gets Maximum Ride, after reading the review here......
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I woke up in the middle of the night, and felt like working on the Challenge. Was in the mood for some Three Stooges, so brought out Volume 3, and just finished 'You Nazty Spy'. It was easy to see what they were spoofing in that one, Hitler and the Nazis.
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starting the day with some jess franco goodness. the 70s women in prison film , Love Camp
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Watched a Tomas Milian picture this morning, The Cop in Blue Jeans. Literally pulled it from a random Mill Creek set. RIP to the man, he was an entertaining chap. Side of ham and sleaze added by Jack Palance.

I'll probably squeeze something else in before supper at Razzy's Rodhouse (BURGER LOVE is a month long celebration here that coincides with the challenge. 84 delicious burgers to pick from locations across the province) and then WRESTLEMANIA tonight. I've used that as a wild card before, as it's just perfect for the challenge in a way. I also see it at a cinema on the big screen which turns it into an even cooler event. Add junk food and you've got your own tailgate party. Looking forward to the rest of an already great Sunday!
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Re: 8th Annual Drive-in/Exploitation Challenge April 1-April 30, 2017

Once more about the superhero films and fadsploitation. Fadsploitation is not about movie trends/fads, it's about movies based upon pop culture fads. Like Found footage Horror might be a fad, but it's not Fadsploitation. We're talking about things like a few years ago when we had 2 Lambada movies, or the Disco movies of the late 70s early 80s, or the Leif Garrett movie Skateboard, and so on. I'd even consider 50 Shades of Gray as Fadsploitation, since it was such a pop culture female wank phenomenon. Harry Potter was also a bigger than books phenomenon, too, but I don't count it since it's just a fantasy story. 50 Shades is intrinsically exploitative as a subject.
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