New DVD/BD copyright warning coming

coyoteblue · 05-09-12, 01:58 PM

Because customers aren't being sufficiently punished for buying legitimate goods. One is a combined FBI/ICE warning the other is a National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center 'educational', ie Big Media propaganda, notice. Both last for 10 seconds each. For all practical purposes an eternity.

More details at:

DVDs and Blu-rays will now carry two unskippable government warnings

milo bloom · 05-09-12, 02:03 PM

Just more incentive for me to learn how to rip my own DVDs that I already paid for and put them on a hard drive so I don't have to look at this shit.

Jedi Master 33 · 05-09-12, 02:21 PM

By "educate", I assume they mean annoy and piss off everyone else.

Lt. Brannigan · 05-09-12, 02:24 PM

I really do get tired of these things especially since I legally bought them in the first place. But I guess that makes me a potential pirate.

Groucho · 05-09-12, 02:25 PM

1:47 in particular

Mister Peepers · 05-09-12, 05:25 PM

I was going to say, what the hell does immigration have to do with movies but then realized they also do customs.

Regulus · 05-10-12, 09:51 AM

IMHO we need to have the Copyright Laws OVERHAULED. There are many TV Series (such as Batman and The Wonder Years, among others) and Movies (Song of the South anyone?) the Studios REFUSE to release legitimately because of Legal FUBARs or "Political Correctness" Issues.

As it stands now, most of us will be "Dust in the Wind" before these shows ever become Public Domain. People shouldn't have to turn to criminal acts just in order to see these shows. I'm for changing these laws so that the Copyright Period is 15 years, with ONE Extension for another 15 years allowed (At which time a Studio MUST License that product to a third-party Vendor). After that an item becomes Public Domain. What do all of you think?

SterlingBen · 05-10-12, 10:52 AM

And just like before, pirates will never see this warning, only people who bought the disc.

mike07 · 05-10-12, 11:25 AM

They need to enforce a copyright warning on movies while they're in the theaters, IMO. And I don't mean a "Turn off All Cell Phones" message that some theaters put on before playing the movie, lol Why should the law abiding citizens who actually LEGALLY buy the movies be punished for doing so? At least allow us the capability of skipping over them.

yoshimi · 05-10-12, 11:29 AM

Wait until the start putting "this scene was brought to you by __________" before each scene during the movie.

TomOpus · 05-10-12, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yoshimi

Wait until the start putting "this scene was brought to you by __________" before each scene during the movie.

With product placement, they kinda do.

junglalien · 05-11-12, 04:32 AM

TerryW · 05-11-12, 06:48 AM

It's really not that difficult to deal with all this stuff before the films start. Pop the disc in and hit the mute button then go do something else for five minutes like check you e-mail. When you get back, your disc should be waiting in menu mode. Sometimes it will auto-start the film but you can easily go back from there by chapter on your remote.

It's the same with commercials on video clips. Just mute it until it's over. They can't force us to watch their crap. We can always find a way to win.

If I want to see an ad, I'll go to YouTube and track it down. The more ads are shoved down my face, the more I'm gonna boycott their product.

Mister Peepers · 05-11-12, 10:39 AM

Nearly every movie in my collection of over 14,000 movies let's me skip trailers one way or another. Sitting a few seconds through an FBI warning is hardly as bad as some make it out to be.

brayzie · 05-11-12, 11:42 AM

That image of all the previews is pretty darn accurate.

I remember first buying DVDs, just a legal warning and then the menu. Recently after renting some dvd, it had unskippable, unfastforwardable commercials, ads and previews.

mike07 · 05-11-12, 11:58 AM

What I especially hate is when they put the previews/copyright warnings AFTER the menu. I tend to insert the DVD then go pop some popcorn and grab a cold beverage, giving time for the DVD to reach the menu to just hit play.

Mike86 · 05-12-12, 01:51 PM

The warnings don't bother me so much it's more the unskippable trailers that annoy me. Luckily most don't do those now days.

Drexl · 05-12-12, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryW

It's really not that difficult to deal with all this stuff before the films start. Pop the disc in and hit the mute button then go do something else for five minutes like check you e-mail. When you get back, your disc should be waiting in menu mode. Sometimes it will auto-start the film but you can easily go back from there by chapter on your remote.

It's the same with commercials on video clips. Just mute it until it's over. They can't force us to watch their crap. We can always find a way to win.

If I want to see an ad, I'll go to YouTube and track it down. The more ads are shoved down my face, the more I'm gonna boycott their product.

Just wait until they start making these things interactive, like QTEs in videogames. With BD-J, they could set them up to each require a random key to be pressed to move on to the next one. You'd have to press the key within a time frame of a few seconds or the clip restarts.

I'm just glad I have the ability to, well, I can't talk about it here. I just hope they don't start adding these things to the film's title, I mean, in the same file like Criterion does with their logo.

Mabuse · 05-15-12, 04:09 PM

Why are these even put on videos? The law is the law. These warning screens don't need to be present to prosecute someone for violating copyright.

Criterion doesn't put any FBI warnings on any of their DVD's, so obviously you don't HAVE TO put these warning screens on.

Mister Peepers · 05-15-12, 05:21 PM

You get more people seeing the law, and learning it exists, from films more people watch.

rw2516 · 05-15-12, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabuse

Why are these even put on videos?

To scare people.

Regulus · 05-15-12, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rw2516

To scare people.

And they aren't doing it either. The ease in which someone can find bootleg materials is nothing short of incredible. I do not envy those who's jobs are to stop the distribution of pirated material. Their frustration levels must be equal to what Federal Agents had in the 1920s when Prohibition was in effect. Day after day they work their behinds off, make a few busts, only to have countless others take the place of those they arrested. It certainly has to be one of the most thankless jobs on the planet!

Boba Fett · 05-16-12, 03:17 AM

On some players, can't you bring up title search before most of this pops up, press 1 and hit enter?

dvdjunkie32 · 05-17-12, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryW

It's really not that difficult to deal with all this stuff before the films start. Pop the disc in and hit the mute button then go do something else for five minutes like check you e-mail. When you get back, your disc should be waiting in menu mode. Sometimes it will auto-start the film but you can easily go back from there by chapter on your remote.

It's the same with commercials on video clips. Just mute it until it's over. They can't force us to watch their crap. We can always find a way to win.

If I want to see an ad, I'll go to YouTube and track it down. The more ads are shoved down my face, the more I'm gonna boycott their product.

I just hit the chapter skip button on my remote and it goes right past the previews. I don't see what the big deal is. Use the chapter select option if you can't stand to watch 5 seconds past the FBI warning.

LJG765 · 05-17-12, 05:38 PM

Ah, but not every disc allows you to hit the chapter skip button. I have several that don't. A lot of those allow you to fast forward through the previews, but you still have to hit the button several times to get to the menu. I also have discs that don't allow fast forward, but most of those do allow chapter skip. I don't mind that so much as long as you are allowed to fast forward through them but by not being able to do so, you waste too much time.

I agree, it's worthless to preach to the choir. The people that see the warnings are not the ones that need them and are only being punished for a few people's crimes.

05-09-12, 01:58 PM	#1
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milo bloom DVD Talk Legend Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 10,019	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming Just more incentive for me to learn how to rip my own DVDs that I already paid for and put them on a hard drive so I don't have to look at this shit. __________________ OAR (Original Aspect Ratio) is not about more image, or less image. It's about the right image. DVDAf Spinehunting - picking up used Criterion DVDs.

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Jedi Master 33 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,020	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming By "educate", I assume they mean annoy and piss off everyone else.

05-09-12, 02:24 PM	#4
Lt. Brannigan Cool New Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 49	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming I really do get tired of these things especially since I legally bought them in the first place. But I guess that makes me a potential pirate.

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Regulus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The Nova Catacumba Exhibition Center on Estrella De Tiago, an Asteroid orbiting the Moon. Posts: 381	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming IMHO we need to have the Copyright Laws OVERHAULED. There are many TV Series (such as Batman and The Wonder Years, among others) and Movies (Song of the South anyone?) the Studios REFUSE to release legitimately because of Legal FUBARs or "Political Correctness" Issues. As it stands now, most of us will be "Dust in the Wind" before these shows ever become Public Domain. People shouldn't have to turn to criminal acts just in order to see these shows. I'm for changing these laws so that the Copyright Period is 15 years, with ONE Extension for another 15 years allowed (At which time a Studio MUST License that product to a third-party Vendor). After that an item becomes Public Domain. What do all of you think? __________________ Current DVD Inventory. Number of TV Series 674 (31,991 Episodes) Movies: 2,301 Serial Chapters: 1,084

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05-10-12, 11:25 AM	#9
mike07 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,683	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming They need to enforce a copyright warning on movies while they're in the theaters, IMO. And I don't mean a "Turn off All Cell Phones" message that some theaters put on before playing the movie, lol Why should the law abiding citizens who actually LEGALLY buy the movies be punished for doing so? At least allow us the capability of skipping over them.

05-10-12, 11:29 AM	#10
yoshimi Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 597	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming Wait until the start putting "this scene was brought to you by __________" before each scene during the movie.

05-11-12, 04:32 AM	#12
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05-11-12, 06:48 AM	#13
TerryW Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 376	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming It's really not that difficult to deal with all this stuff before the films start. Pop the disc in and hit the mute button then go do something else for five minutes like check you e-mail. When you get back, your disc should be waiting in menu mode. Sometimes it will auto-start the film but you can easily go back from there by chapter on your remote. It's the same with commercials on video clips. Just mute it until it's over. They can't force us to watch their crap. We can always find a way to win. If I want to see an ad, I'll go to YouTube and track it down. The more ads are shoved down my face, the more I'm gonna boycott their product. __________________ I've been a big James Cameron fan since the first Terminator film but I *hate* Avatar and have zero interest in its sequels.

05-11-12, 10:39 AM	#14
Mister Peepers DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Calaska, USA Posts: 6,489	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming Nearly every movie in my collection of over 14,000 movies let's me skip trailers one way or another. Sitting a few seconds through an FBI warning is hardly as bad as some make it out to be. __________________ Horror Challenge: 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 Comedy Challenge: 2011 *TV on DVD Challenge** 2012

05-11-12, 11:42 AM	#15
brayzie DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,846	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming That image of all the previews is pretty darn accurate. I remember first buying DVDs, just a legal warning and then the menu. Recently after renting some dvd, it had unskippable, unfastforwardable commercials, ads and previews. __________________ Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

05-11-12, 11:58 AM	#16
mike07 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,683	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming What I especially hate is when they put the previews/copyright warnings AFTER the menu. I tend to insert the DVD then go pop some popcorn and grab a cold beverage, giving time for the DVD to reach the menu to just hit play.

05-12-12, 01:51 PM	#17
Mike86 DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,992	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming The warnings don't bother me so much it's more the unskippable trailers that annoy me. Luckily most don't do those now days.

05-15-12, 04:09 PM	#19
Mabuse DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,335	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming Why are these even put on videos? The law is the law. These warning screens don't need to be present to prosecute someone for violating copyright. Criterion doesn't put any FBI warnings on any of their DVD's, so obviously you don't HAVE TO put these warning screens on.

05-15-12, 05:21 PM	#20
Mister Peepers DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Calaska, USA Posts: 6,489	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming You get more people seeing the law, and learning it exists, from films more people watch. __________________ Horror Challenge: 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 Comedy Challenge: 2011 *TV on DVD Challenge** 2012

05-16-12, 03:17 AM	#23
Boba Fett DVD Talk Reviewer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,602	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming On some players, can't you bring up title search before most of this pops up, press 1 and hit enter?

05-17-12, 05:38 PM	#25
LJG765 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 563	Re: New DVD/BD copyright warning coming Ah, but not every disc allows you to hit the chapter skip button. I have several that don't. A lot of those allow you to fast forward through the previews, but you still have to hit the button several times to get to the menu. I also have discs that don't allow fast forward, but most of those do allow chapter skip. I don't mind that so much as long as you are allowed to fast forward through them but by not being able to do so, you waste too much time. I agree, it's worthless to preach to the choir. The people that see the warnings are not the ones that need them and are only being punished for a few people's crimes.