Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair

[cultshock]

Originally Posted by GuruTwo

Actually, there are no structural changes with the "combined" cut and it even had an intermission when screened theatrically (plus it's too long to fit on one DVD anyway).

There are slight changes throughout but nothing drastic.

Some changes to the structure that I've heard about are the beginning of Vol 2 (Uma driving) being moved to the beginning of the combined film, and the cliffhanger talk between Bill and Sofie at the end of Vol 1 being removed (it apparently was added on when the decision was made to split the film into 2 parts. Makes sense, the scene really wouldn't have been needed if it was one combined film, and it's absence would have made the last chapter a shock to both the audience and the Bride instead of just for her)

[scrotalsac187]

Originally Posted by Dr. Forrester

Since we're expecting a four-discer, my question is whether or not I should sell off my two old R1 Miramax copies. Since two discs are likely to be "The Whole Bloody Affair", can we expect an LOTR-style two discs worth of extras (that'd be a first for QT) or just a disc for each of the original theatrical releases?

The set cannot include the theatrical versions because Disney owns the rights for those. This set can only have The Whole Bloody Affair cus the Weinsteins only have the rights to release the recut version. Therefore, the extra two discs have to be extras or something else about the movie, but they cannot have the theatrical versions.

[scott1598]

Originally Posted by scrotalsac187

The set cannot include the theatrical versions because Disney owns the rights for those. This set can only have The Whole Bloody Affair cus the Weinsteins only have the rights to release the recut version. Therefore, the extra two discs have to be extras or something else about the movie, but they cannot have the theatrical versions.

i don't think this is quite accurate. i think Buena Vista own the international rights, but "A Band Apart" might still own the theatrical with the Weinsteins who took it from Miramax. i don't see why they would have the "new" version and not the originals.

[Josh Z]

Originally Posted by scott1598

i don't think this is quite accurate. i think Buena Vista own the international rights, but "A Band Apart" might still own the theatrical with the Weinsteins who took it from Miramax. i don't see why they would have the "new" version and not the originals.

Legally, "Kill Bill, Vol. 1", "Kill Bill, Vol. 2", and "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" are three different movies, each copyrighted separately. Miramax/Disney hold the American distribution rights to the separate Vol. 1 and Vol. 2, while Weinstein holds the rights to Whole Bloody Affair.

Internationally, Universal distributes Vol. 1 and Vol. 2.

My guess is that the longer movie will still be split to 2 discs with an intermission between, one disc will be filled with extras, and one disc will be a soundtrack CD.

[mrhan]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

Legally, "Kill Bill, Vol. 1", "Kill Bill, Vol. 2", and "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" are three different movies, each copyrighted separately. Miramax/Disney hold the American distribution rights to the separate Vol. 1 and Vol. 2, while Weinstein holds the rights to Whole Bloody Affair.

Internationally, Universal distributes Vol. 1 and Vol. 2.

My guess is that the longer movie will still be split to 2 discs with an intermission between, one disc will be filled with extras, and one disc will be a soundtrack CD.

I hope they port over the Julie Dreyfus and Japanese animators interviews from the Jpn R2 with subs.

[TomOpus]

I'm hoping.... but won't go totally batshit until I see some artwork and official specs.

[cultshock]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

Internationally, Universal distributes Vol. 1 and Vol. 2.

Not completely though, Alliance Atlantis distributed the films in Canada (both theatrically and on video) and Buena Vista distributes them in at least some European countries (UK and Germany for example). When you consider all three films, the various distribution rights start to get a bit convoluted.

[indiephantom]

Originally Posted by tsetse27

Sept 18th will be a big (and expanisve) week for me!

Kill Bill
Death Proof
Commando
Wall Street

Is that a Wall Street:SE coming?? If so, I'm down for all 4.

[tonyjg]

Originally Posted by Mr. Salty

Darth's point was that most movie theater chains won't show NC-17 films, and most TV networks and many newspapers won't run ads for them. The rating severely limits the distribution of the film, regardless of how old you are.

I 'fail' to understand WHY the rating of NC-17 is see as an 'issue' for your cinema chains and media (TV / papers) ??

I know this topic has been covered / posted extensively in this forum - but - WHY ???

The NC-17 is a MPAA rating that is equilivant to the Australian R rating (Restricted to 18 and over) and the UK '18 (same as Australia in its restriction).

KILL BILL VOL1 was rated R here in Australia - which restricted its audience - and there was no issue with that in cinemas, the media or video / B&M stores. (KILL BILL VOL2 was rated MA (Mature Audience - under 15 must be accompanied by and parent or adult guardian).

Why is it that cinemas feel that they CAN'T show these films ?? Is it because they think that people wont come and see them ? Or is there still this association of NC-17 with 'sex scenes' ?? I wish someone over there had the 'balls' to get over this resistance - maybe even someone like Tarintino - and say 'this film is for an adults audience only - keep your kids under 18 home !!'

[tonyjg]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

Internationally, Universal distributes Vol. 1 and Vol. 2..

Buena Vista (Disney / Miramax) distributes them down under.

I doubt that we'll get the 4 disc set down here.

[Gerry P.]

Originally Posted by tonyjg

I 'fail' to understand WHY the rating of NC-17 is see as an 'issue' for your cinema chains and media (TV / papers) ??

It's because of the 80+ million religious wackadoos in this country who consider anything beyond an R-rating as porn. They would protest/boycott the newspapers and movie theaters into submission if they dared take part in an NC-17 release.

[LorenzoL]

Originally Posted by TomOpus

I'm hoping.... but won't go totally batshit until I see some artwork and official specs.

My sentiments exactly.

[CKMorpheus]

HD-DVD please!

[MJG87]

Originally Posted by CKMorpheus

HD-DVD please!

That would be a great exclusive added to HD DVD's roster if it is definitely being released by the Weinstein company

[Malign]

Originally Posted by Gerry P.

It's because of the 80+ million religious wackadoos in this country who consider anything beyond an R-rating as porn. They would protest/boycott the newspapers and movie theaters into submission if they dared take part in an NC-17 release.

It's not only the "religious wackadoos" in this country, it's the liberals who are "looking out for the children" and weak minded Americans who allow others to think for them as a whole.

[undrwrldangel24]

Since the rating is NC-17, will that limit which stores will carry it? I'm sure BB and CC will carry it, but does anyone know of any other stores that might have it?

[cultshock]

It would probably be released unrated rather than NC-17, and these days, most stores don't have a problem with unrated (hell, it's a popular selling gimmick).

[Duder]

Originally Posted by cultshock

Some changes to the structure that I've heard about are the beginning of Vol 2 (Uma driving) being moved to the beginning of the combined film, and the cliffhanger talk between Bill and Sofie at the end of Vol 1 being removed (it apparently was added on when the decision was made to split the film into 2 parts. Makes sense, the scene really wouldn't have been needed if it was one combined film, and it's absence would have made the last chapter a shock to both the audience and the Bride instead of just for her)

If the movie begins with the Volume 2 opener, then that would be a far weaker opening than the current Volume 1 opening. I also wouldn't consider the removal of the final Bill/Sofie scene from Vol. 1 to be a "structure change," just a necessary trim to put the two pieces together.

I've seen the Blue Leaves sequence in color and I think it's a nice improvement, and I also like the additional little bits with Sofie in the trunk that they cut from Vol. 1 as well. But unless there are substantial changes to the content of Volume 2--and everything I've read has indicated that there is NO difference, other than the removal of the brief driving intro at the beginning, which was little more than a recap anyway--I just don't see this as a worthwhile recut, nor one that will feel different to me by the time the ending credits roll. Was it worth waiting all these years for a 1% different cut and extras we should've gotten the first time?

[mrhan]

Originally Posted by Duder

I just don't see this as a worthwhile recut, nor one that will feel different to me by the time the ending credits roll.

I think the only real difference is that

Spoiler:

you wouldn't know that BeBE was alive until the end of the movie.

[naitram]

Originally Posted by Mr. Salty

Darth's point was that most movie theater chains won't show NC-17 films, and most TV networks and many newspapers won't run ads for them. The rating severely limits the distribution of the film, regardless of how old you are.

Which is why I put "but I know it's a money thing"...but you decided to cut that part of my quote off.

Mr. Salty indeed.

[auto]

Originally Posted by Josh Z

My guess is that the longer movie will still be split to 2 discs with an intermission between, one disc will be filled with extras, and one disc will be a soundtrack CD.

But there was a seperate soundtrack released for each chapter. How will that work?

[bluetoast]

Originally Posted by tonyjg

I wish someone over there had the 'balls' to get over this resistance - maybe even someone like Tarintino - and say 'this film is for an adults audience only - keep your kids under 18 home !!'

You do realize that Tarantino wants kids to see Kill Bill right? He's said as much in his interview with that San Francisco movie critic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYu6fpaNrBA

[AOD]

Originally Posted by mrhan

It's about time but after waiting this long I might as well wait for whatever HD format it's going to end up on. Maybe, the Jpn R2 version will be more interesting with extras.

Kill Bill: The whole bloody affair is to be distributed by Weinstein. What does that equal? HD DVD only as Weinstein is exclusive. The individual movies in theatrical form/home release are distributed by Miramax. What does that equal? Miramax = Disney owned = Blu-ray only. So Blu-ray would get the theatrical versions, while HD DVD would get the uncut NC-17 ultimate ones.

Miramax was owned by the Weinstein brothers (Mira and Max are their parents names). When the Weinsteins left Disney, they retained the rights to Dimension, but not Miramax. Miramax was sold to Disney for 75 million in 1993 and the two brother eventually opted out of their contract and left alltogether in 1995.

Here's the Weinstein's film vault....

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0150452/

From filmfocus.co.uk as quoted by Tarantino....

"Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair is definitely getting a wide release," he said, "actually, that'll probably be the first movie that Miramax, under their new company, will be releasing theatrically. It's the Japanese version, that's why I call it that, you know, it should probably come out in the next few months. It's going to be NC-17 in America. We couldn't do that when Disney owned the place but now Disney's the f**k outta there we can do anything we want! It's gonna be off the hook!"

Yes, that "new company" is Weinstein and there is a lot of differences in the Japanese uncut version. Here are just a few....

Spoiler:

--The opening scene between The Bride and Vernita Green has two alternate angles shown when The Bride asks for a towel instead of keeping the overhead shot.
-In the anime sequence, one of Boss Matsumoto's men has his face smashed into a wall twice, rather then just once.
-In the anime sequence, when O-Ren Ishii kills Matsumoto and tells him to look at her face, she asks him to look at more facial features (nose, chin. etc.) to be recognized, and then before pulling the knife out, there is a close up shot of her moving the knife up his stomach and then finally pulling it out. There are a couple of close up shots of Matsumoto's face as he's dying as well that were eliminated from the US print and then a pan up shot of Matsumoto's blood covered and disemboweled body.
-The "House of Blue Leaves" fight is not only in full color, but features about 9 new shots missing from the US print which include:
--A close up of the first female Crazy 88 (Julie Manase) gargling blood after being pinned to a wooden pillar by a sword. This shot, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2.
--A shot of The Bride stabbing two Crazy 88s at once using her own sword as well as another Crazy 88's sword.
--A ten foot high super backflip that The Bride executes before landing back down to pop out one of the Crazy 88's eyes. This shot appeared in the TV spot teaser, but disappeared soon after.
--After The Bride pops out the one Crazy 88's eye, as another one charges at her screaming, she simply throws the eye into the attackers mouth, causing him to start to choke. The partially armless Sofie Fatale gives a follow up disgusted reaction.
--A shot of another female Crazy 88 attacking only to get slashed in the throat and spraying blood everywhere.
--The first appearance of the "Kid Crazy 88" (the one who gets spanked with the sword). In this shot, we now find out why he's missing a mask later on. As he's about to attack The Bride, she swipes his mask off. We see he's just a kid, and he gives the universal "don't hurt me" sign. The Bride has a look of shock on her face in realizing he's just a kid, so she grabs him, throws him across, knocking 3-4 Crazy 88 into a blood filled mini pool. This shot of the 3-4 falling, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, also showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2. Overall, this "mini scene" helps establish The Bride's look of surprise even more when she sees the young Crazy 88 the last time... and his follow up "don't hurt me" look even funnier.
--A shot of a Crazy 88 getting slashed across the chest and spraying blood all over a wall.
--When The Bride jumps onto the shoulders of one of the Crazy 88, after she slashes another one across the face, the Crazy 88 she's standing on tries to attack her from below. She parries the attack and cuts his hands off. The shot then cuts to the forward sommersault.
--Since the fight is already in color, the close up "eye shot" of The Bride blinking is cut. Instead, the first part of the close up before she blinks is shown, however, at the point when she normally blinks, there is a replacement medium shot of her standing slightly fatigued and holding her sword out.
-Finally, after the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, is the most infamous of the missing scenes and that is Sofie Fatale's extended "trunk interrogation" scene. After The Bride warns Sofie about cutting off something, instead of cutting back to Sofie in the hospital, The Bride is shown grabbing Sofie's arm and screams "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!". Sofie starts to panic, but then The Bride chops off her other arm, causing blood to splash onto the screen and Sofie begins screaming again.

[crazyrabbits]

My God, has it been that long? I remember d/l'ing the Japanese cut of 1 so long ago, and I've been waiting for this patiently. My prayers are answered!

[cranberries fan]

I hope this does come in a Yellow and red style box!