Once more: Back to the Future [merged]
12-07-04, 12:45 PM
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I bought the Fullscreen versions back in 2003, because WalMart only had those.
Luckily I got those instead of this Misframes.
BTTF is shot in 1.37:1, excluding the SFX shots (they were shot in 1.85:1)
Why? Zemeckis knew more people would see the move on Home Video than in theatres.
I love the BTTF trilogy enough to visit the BTTF.com forums daily.
Luckily I got those instead of this Misframes.
BTTF is shot in 1.37:1, excluding the SFX shots (they were shot in 1.85:1)
Why? Zemeckis knew more people would see the move on Home Video than in theatres.
I love the BTTF trilogy enough to visit the BTTF.com forums daily.
12-07-04, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisedge
Looks like V2 versions will finally be out in the US in Jan 2005.
12-08-04, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by supersonicx
BTTF is shot in 1.37:1, excluding the SFX shots (they were shot in 1.85:1)
Why? Zemeckis knew more people would see the move on Home Video than in theatres.
Why? Zemeckis knew more people would see the move on Home Video than in theatres.
12-08-04, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Yocke
Umm, no. If you listen to the audio commentary they say that he shot in 1.85:1 (as he usually does) because he likes the depth of focus you can get in that ratio. And if he really wanted the movies to be in 1.33:1, why didn't he make the special effects shots in this ratio also?
Actually, the original release negatives were on a 1.37:1 fame (except for the special effects shots, which were hard-matted to 1.85:1), however the INTENDED COMPOSITION of the filming was or a 1.85:1 exhibition, meaning that the 'extra' top and bottom information in the 'fullscreen' release is not part of the director's original vision
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12-08-04, 12:03 PM
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Let me also add:
From the Bob Gale and Neil Canton commentary :
Gale: And the other reason was that it's not a big movie and since we couldn't show as much on the sides of the frame as you can in a big, outdoor movie, we decided that there was no point in shooting it in widescreen, and the 1.77:1 format had just been decided as the standard for widescreen televisions of the future...
Gale: ...and we figured that by shooting it in 1.85:1, in the end, more people would see the movie on video than they saw in the theater, and they would see it much closer to what Bob and Dean intended in their framing by shooting it in 1.85:1 than if we shot it in widescreen.
I rest my case.
From the Bob Gale and Neil Canton commentary :
Gale: And the other reason was that it's not a big movie and since we couldn't show as much on the sides of the frame as you can in a big, outdoor movie, we decided that there was no point in shooting it in widescreen, and the 1.77:1 format had just been decided as the standard for widescreen televisions of the future...
Gale: ...and we figured that by shooting it in 1.85:1, in the end, more people would see the movie on video than they saw in the theater, and they would see it much closer to what Bob and Dean intended in their framing by shooting it in 1.85:1 than if we shot it in widescreen.
I rest my case.
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12-08-04, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Yocke
And if he really wanted the movies to be in 1.33:1, why didn't he make the special effects shots in this ratio also?
Originally Posted by BTTF Forums - OFFICIAL Widescreen DVD Problem FAQ
Q. Is the "pan & scan" version affected?
A. No. The pan & scan version shows the entire frame (similar to the laserdisc image underneath the DVD image in the above picture), and thus is unaffected by framing.
Q. But shouldn't I be seeing MORE in the widescreen version??
A. Normally, yes. However BTTF was filmed in a soft matte format where the full frame is "matted" (covered, 'black bars' on the top and bottom) to achieve a widescreen ratio. When the film is released on Pan & Scan, the film is unmatted (some films are unmatted for P&S, most aren't AFAIK). Thus you see more of the picture vertically, but this is usually not the way the director intended. Most of the time the director prefers the widescreen framing of his film.
A. No. The pan & scan version shows the entire frame (similar to the laserdisc image underneath the DVD image in the above picture), and thus is unaffected by framing.
Q. But shouldn't I be seeing MORE in the widescreen version??
A. Normally, yes. However BTTF was filmed in a soft matte format where the full frame is "matted" (covered, 'black bars' on the top and bottom) to achieve a widescreen ratio. When the film is released on Pan & Scan, the film is unmatted (some films are unmatted for P&S, most aren't AFAIK). Thus you see more of the picture vertically, but this is usually not the way the director intended. Most of the time the director prefers the widescreen framing of his film.
http://www.bttf.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=9;t=001337
Let's see what IMDb says:
It seems that the negatives for the film were shot on 1.37:1.
To save everyone the trip to IMDB, Parts II and III were also shot in 1.37:1
They misframed full frame shots on v1, which is what caused the v2 DVDs.
I'll shut up now
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12-08-04, 01:11 PM
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Holy crap! That's alot of text for a reply to a two line post! It seems we agree here, that the widescreen version of the film is the correct one. It sounded in your first post like Zemeckis shot it in 1.37:1 because that's the way he liked it, and then he had to crop it for cinemas. Now I see what you mean.
12-08-04, 05:42 PM
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I did definitely. I bought them in 2003.
The WS DVDs that were available were the misframed ones.
I, for one, do not want a misframed DVD.
Since the only WS shots are the SFX shots, I went ahead and bought the FF versions.
For the record, there's only 32 SFX shots in BTTF1.
Also, seeing as how some fans of the trilogy STILL haven't recieved their V2 DVDs (referring to users on BTTF.COM), and that it would be a hassle to send Universal the discs anyway, I decided to do myself a favor and get the Full Frame Edition.
The WS DVDs that were available were the misframed ones.
I, for one, do not want a misframed DVD.
Since the only WS shots are the SFX shots, I went ahead and bought the FF versions.
For the record, there's only 32 SFX shots in BTTF1.
Also, seeing as how some fans of the trilogy STILL haven't recieved their V2 DVDs (referring to users on BTTF.COM), and that it would be a hassle to send Universal the discs anyway, I decided to do myself a favor and get the Full Frame Edition.
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12-08-04, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by supersonicx
I decided to do myself a favor and get the Full Frame Edition.
I picked up the DVDs when they first came out and while I was anxious to get the replacements I waited for a few months so that I would be sending mine in with EVERYONE else. When I finally sent mine in it took only a few weeks to get mine back. Full Frame was never an option for a split second.
12-09-04, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisedge
Looks like V2 versions will finally be out in the US in Jan 2005.
What is interesting is that it is going oop June 6, 2005. Which then it is rumored that at the end of the year a SE version is going to be released.
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
12-09-04, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Worms
Also at a lower price of $27.98 SRP.
What is interesting is that it is going oop June 6, 2005. Which then it is rumored that at the end of the year a SE version is going to be released.
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
What is interesting is that it is going oop June 6, 2005. Which then it is rumored that at the end of the year a SE version is going to be released.
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
12-09-04, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Worms
Also at a lower price of $27.98 SRP.
Originally Posted by Big Worms
What is interesting is that it is going oop June 6, 2005. Which then it is rumored that at the end of the year a SE version is going to be released.
Okay well my "holding off" on this set continues... 
12-10-04, 09:53 PM
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Corrected Back to the Future Re-Release
A corrected version of the Back to the Future Trilogy will be re-released on Jan 25th at a new lower price. (the aspect ratio was misframed on the first set) The new price is 27.98 Here is more info:
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
I will definitely pick this up.
Anyone else?
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
I will definitely pick this up.
Anyone else?
12-10-04, 09:57 PM
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Already a thread on this.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396512
But yes I will be getting this one and the SE version if they come out with it at the end of the year.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396512
But yes I will be getting this one and the SE version if they come out with it at the end of the year.
12-10-04, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Worms
it is rumored that at the end of the year a SE version is going to be released.
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/2004120...-reprice.shtml
What can they put on the disk that isn't already on the current release? It seems to me that they've included just about everything they can. I guess this would be unique in that you could purchase just the one movie instead of the whole trilogy. The only thing I can imagine that they can include that they haven't are clips of Eric Stoltz as Marty. I would double dip for that, but I can't imagine for what else that isn't already on this stacked set...
12-10-04, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by exparr0t
What can they put on the disk that isn't already on the current release? It seems to me that they've included just about everything they can. I guess this would be unique in that you could purchase just the one movie instead of the whole trilogy. The only thing I can imagine that they can include that they haven't are clips of Eric Stoltz as Marty. I would double dip for that, but I can't imagine for what else that isn't already on this stacked set...
12-14-04, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jazzinator
FWIW, I just bought the set from DDD with their most recent 20% sale and they shipped the non-remastered copy.
I called (888) 703-0010 and they are still doing the replacements of discs 2 and 3. If you call, they send out the prepaid mailer to be returned to:
Back to the Future DVd returns
P.O. Box 224468
Dallas, TX 75260
I also just did the Monty Python Meaning of Life last month with no problems.
I called (888) 703-0010 and they are still doing the replacements of discs 2 and 3. If you call, they send out the prepaid mailer to be returned to:
Back to the Future DVd returns
P.O. Box 224468
Dallas, TX 75260
I also just did the Monty Python Meaning of Life last month with no problems.
12-14-04, 02:12 AM
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I am assuming they send these back to you in a better way than the envelope they have you send yours back in?? I just got the pre-paid 'paper' single CD holder today.. I'm wondering if I should get an extra delivery confirmation on this to make sure I don't get screwed. Any idea how long it will take to get these back?
I'm wondering if I should get an extra delivery confirmation on this to make sure I don't get screwed. Any idea how long it will take to get these back?
12-14-04, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by The Monkees
Is this a recording or a live person?
It's a live person - but, I believe the live person mans a number of different 800 numbers and reads the script for the line they answer. The script they read is verbatim the language posted online about the ability to request the mailer to exchange your DVDs for the V2 version.
12-14-04, 10:29 AM
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Wow, so the 'full screen' dvd's actually show more... g'dammit. I'm 100% behind widescreen for every movie but if full frame was meant to show the most... I should buy that I guess when the price gets dropped.