Happy Birthday to Me on DVD?! - Page 2

Disc-Flipper · 10-03-04, 05:52 PM

Check the cover section for my latest: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=388823

prince_of_saturn · 10-03-04, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by philo
Has anyone been able to confirm the rumor about the altered score or at least post a link to the source of that information above?

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=212858

JANK · 10-03-04, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by RickB
YES!!!!!!!! Then at least they left in that song. THANK YOU. So the entire film wasn't totally rescored at least. As long as that song is there I'm cool.

I hope so too. Since I haven't seen/heard this DVD, I dunno. All's I am asking is, DOES THE FREAKIN' DVD HAVE THIS SONG ON IT! (since the version I saw long ago on TV did, I was wonderin'...)

Mike Long · 10-03-04, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by JANK
I hope so too. Since I haven't seen/heard this DVD, I dunno. All's I am asking is, DOES THE FREAKIN' DVD HAVE THIS SONG ON IT! (since the version I saw long ago on TV did, I was wonderin'...)

I'm not sure I understand your question. I confirmed earlier that the song by Syreeta is over the end credits. As for the rest of the film, once again, it was my first time seeing it, but it certainly sounded like an early 80s slasher film score. There are no new credits on the film or DVD to indicate new music.

This is my favorite quote from the HTF forum thread: "The reviewer at DVDTalk confirmed that the end song (over the end credits) is still there. It's not clear if the guy making this claim has the disc or just heard from someone. " Um, didn't I say earlier in this thread that I have the disc?

JANK · 10-03-04, 10:36 PM

Thanks for clarifying that. Any word on if the soundtrack will be released separately?

Mountain Biker · 10-03-04, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Disc-Flipper
Check the cover section for my latest: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=388823

Just printed it out and it looks GREAT! MAny thanks DF

philo · 10-04-04, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by prince_of_saturn
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=212858

That HTF thread mentions DVDTalk as the source. Are they talking about the new member post in this thread? I couldn't find anything on the main page. If thats the source they're talking about, they should have said it was info posted in the DVDTalk forums.

Maybe Jeff McKay can tell us if thats something he read elsewhere or discovered for himself while watching the DVD.

I'd like to see a more authoritative review of this before grabbing the pitchforks and torches to storm Sony/Columbia, though the pricetag and coverart might be worth a few rock throws.

Mike Long · 10-04-04, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by philo
That HTF thread mentions DVDTalk as the source. Are they talking about the new member post in this thread? I couldn't find anything on the main page.

In my opinion, it's quite clear that they're referring to the post in this thread, and like everyone else, I haven't seen that info anywhere else on the web. I'm trying to track down a VHS copy of the movie in order to compare the music.

Wes Ray · 10-11-04, 08:08 PM

The rumors are true.

My review for DVDDrive-In.com is forthcoming.

EDIT: Reserving my opinion until I find more info.

Disc-Flipper · 10-11-04, 09:37 PM

I'll still buy it -- because I love the movie. But it's a sad thing they changed the sad lonely piano music of the original. Hopefully the same amount of suspense is retained with the new score. I don't think refusing to buy it will change Columbia Tristar's mind about releasing another version.

Wes Ray · 10-11-04, 10:47 PM

Okay, here's an example...

The original low-key, piano and strings piece during the opening credits has been replaced.

In its place: a fast-paced disco song.

Mountain Biker · 10-11-04, 11:51 PM

If this wasn't an all-time favorite of mine I'd probably pass on it, but it is, so I'm still be buying it.

Wes Ray · 10-12-04, 01:41 AM

The more I examine the disc, the more I'm convinced that what has happened here is that Columbia has taken a pre-release print of this film with a temp or alternate track and used it for the DVD.

I have e-mailed Columbia for their side of the story, but this is my theory.

The music fits too closely with the action in some parts. Also, editing in music takes time AND a good deal of money. There's no reason for Columbia to have gone to this trouble. "Rights issues" doesn't seem right either, considering the film's original composers are still credited on the disc. One of which, wrote the end title song. So, if there were rights issues with any of it, I would think they'd have replaced all the music and not left the end song intact.

If my suspicions are correct, this was clearly an accident, and I'm not even sure if Columbia is aware of the foul-up. Hopefully my e-mail to them will lead to some answers.

I'll keep you guys updated.

philo · 10-12-04, 04:20 AM

Dang. First I hear they changed Living Dead Pt 2, now this.

Thanks for clearing that up Wes. I agree it sounds kind of strange to be intentional. Song rights I've heard of but the film's score too? Hopefully it was mistake they'll straighten out.

steebo777 · 10-12-04, 09:44 AM

Kind of a bummer

wago70 · 10-12-04, 10:54 AM

Oh...my...God...
Thanks, Wes for the heads up. I think major emailing campaign is in order. Seriously - this must be changed. I'm not wasting one cent on this terrific film until they offer it in the correct way. Maybe they'll even include the trailer FOR THIS FILM on a corrected DVD, who knows?
Let's get word out - since a studio like this seems to need a huge push before they correct a title they may think fans won't fight for.

DRG · 10-12-04, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Wes Ray
The more I examine the disc, the more I'm convinced that what has happened here is that Columbia has taken a pre-release print of this film with a temp or alternate track and used it for the DVD.

Aren't temp scores usually derived from music from another film? If so, then they'll likely run into bigger rights issues from THAT.

I was on the fence about buying this one just because of the high price point. But with an alternate score and no movie-related extras, this is going on the Netflix queue instead.

Wes Ray · 10-12-04, 01:21 PM

One would think.

And yes, temp scores usually come from other films. To be honest, a lot of parts in this new score sound like the score to some sort of early 70's giallo. Some bits sound like the original composers' work. Some don't.

I just really don't know what could've happened here. Rights issues, again, is the most likely and logical conclusion. However, the end title song is still on the disc, and it's by one of the composers. So, if there were rights issues with the rest of their score, wouldn't this song have been taken off of the disc as well?

Also, there are actual songs added...songs, with lyrics...not just generic instrumental music (though there IS plenty of that as well). The added songs are NOT mentioned in the closing credits, nor anywhere on the DVD packaging. One would think that the artists involved with these songs would be able to sue if word got around to them that their music was being used without their permission. It seems to me a risk Columbia wouldn't knowingly want to take.

So while "music rights" is the most likely of scenarios, I can't help but feel this particular incident stems simply from an un-intentional screw-up (of some sort) on the studio's behalf.

TERRORTRAIN · 10-19-04, 12:37 PM

I just read the dvdtalk review of the Happy Birthday To Me DVD and I am severly dissapointed and angry upon learning that the score has been changed! The DVD is worthless as far as I'm concerned and I won't be picking up a copy of it. How frustrating...

Has there been any update on why Sony changed the soundtrack and if there are any thoughts on their end about re-releasing this (or recalling this version)? "Birthday" may be no masterpiece but to true fans, this is upsetting. For horror film lovers, music score is EXTREMLEY important to the genre (i.e. Halloween, Psycho, Friday The 13th, Carrie, Jaws, The Omen). My question to Sony execs: How would YOU feel if one of your favorite films (regardless of how mainstream it is) was rescored?

Pissed off, indeed. I can live with crappy key art and no extras (although I still can't understand why there was no inclusion of a Theatrical Trailer) but this is just too much.

JDF5244 · 10-19-04, 05:02 PM

This was the first horror movie I ever saw in the theater. I remember the night my older brother took me to see this like it was yesterday.
A terrific flick. It is quite disappointing however that some beeeyatches at the studio didn't know what they were doing when they put this together.
I will await further customer feedback before buying it.
I also think $19.95 is a bit steep for this. $9.95...OK. But $19.95???????

Wes Ray · 10-19-04, 08:18 PM

My review at DVDDrive-In should be up tonight sometime.

Columbia never got back in touch with me regarding the changes, so all we have to go on are theories. I still contend it's probably the wrong print.

Disc-Flipper · 10-19-04, 10:07 PM

Does the music sound old or new ?

twilightdvd · 10-19-04, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Mike Long

This is my favorite quote from the HTF forum thread: "The reviewer at DVDTalk confirmed that the end song (over the end credits) is still there. It's not clear if the guy making this claim has the disc or just heard from someone. " Um, didn't I say earlier in this thread that I have the disc?

That post was saying it wasn't clear if that new member here had the disc or had simply heard it from someone. You confirmed it was there so the doubt was on the member here claiming things had been changed.

Wes Ray · 10-20-04, 02:26 AM

My full review is finally up.

http://www.dvddrive-in.com/reviews/e...hdaytome81.htm

To answer your question, Disc...the music is old. Disco and such. Though, some pieces sound even earlier than late 70's/early 80's.

TERRORTRAIN · 10-20-04, 12:28 PM

Hey Wes,

Your review of HBTM is great! (It shows you're a true fan). But I can't get past the whole scrore changing (especially in the beginning over the credits--as you said, the whole tone is set there.)

I want to be optimistic and hope that Sony will correct this problem. But I feel they need to hear it from us--the fans and consumers. Do you have an email address for Sony that we send our thoughts to?

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10-11-04, 08:08 PM	#34
Wes Ray Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 206	The rumors are true. My review for DVDDrive-In.com is forthcoming. EDIT: Reserving my opinion until I find more info. __________________ Paramount - We're not just a studio, we're a privilege. Columbia/Tri-Star - Cover art? You mean the pictures on the box? Last edited by Wes Ray; 10-12-04 at 01:37 AM.

10-11-04, 09:37 PM	#35
Disc-Flipper DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada Posts: 2,368	I'll still buy it -- because I love the movie. But it's a sad thing they changed the sad lonely piano music of the original. Hopefully the same amount of suspense is retained with the new score. I don't think refusing to buy it will change Columbia Tristar's mind about releasing another version. __________________ My DVD Collection

10-11-04, 10:47 PM	#36
Wes Ray Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 206	Okay, here's an example... The original low-key, piano and strings piece during the opening credits has been replaced. In its place: a fast-paced disco song. __________________ Paramount - We're not just a studio, we're a privilege. Columbia/Tri-Star - Cover art? You mean the pictures on the box?

10-11-04, 11:51 PM	#37
Mountain Biker DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,993	If this wasn't an all-time favorite of mine I'd probably pass on it, but it is, so I'm still be buying it. __________________ ...It's 4 A.M., do you know where your car is?

10-03-04, 10:36 PM	#30
JANK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: on some faraway beach Posts: 410	Thanks for clarifying that. Any word on if the soundtrack will be released separately?

10-12-04, 01:41 AM	#38
Wes Ray Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 206	The more I examine the disc, the more I'm convinced that what has happened here is that Columbia has taken a pre-release print of this film with a temp or alternate track and used it for the DVD. I have e-mailed Columbia for their side of the story, but this is my theory. The music fits too closely with the action in some parts. Also, editing in music takes time AND a good deal of money. There's no reason for Columbia to have gone to this trouble. "Rights issues" doesn't seem right either, considering the film's original composers are still credited on the disc. One of which, wrote the end title song. So, if there were rights issues with any of it, I would think they'd have replaced all the music and not left the end song intact. If my suspicions are correct, this was clearly an accident, and I'm not even sure if Columbia is aware of the foul-up. Hopefully my e-mail to them will lead to some answers. I'll keep you guys updated. __________________ Paramount - We're not just a studio, we're a privilege. Columbia/Tri-Star - Cover art? You mean the pictures on the box?

10-12-04, 04:20 AM	#39
philo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: under the sofa cushions Posts: 571	Dang. First I hear they changed Living Dead Pt 2, now this. Thanks for clearing that up Wes. I agree it sounds kind of strange to be intentional. Song rights I've heard of but the film's score too? Hopefully it was mistake they'll straighten out. __________________ Half MAN. . . . . Half ANT. . . . . All TERROR!!! Most Wanted: 1) Matinee: SE 2) Drowning By Numbers 3) Prospero's Books

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10-12-04, 10:54 AM	#41
wago70 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 367	Oh...my...God... Thanks, Wes for the heads up. I think major emailing campaign is in order. Seriously - this must be changed. I'm not wasting one cent on this terrific film until they offer it in the correct way. Maybe they'll even include the trailer FOR THIS FILM on a corrected DVD, who knows? Let's get word out - since a studio like this seems to need a huge push before they correct a title they may think fans won't fight for.

10-12-04, 01:21 PM	#43
Wes Ray Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 206	One would think. And yes, temp scores usually come from other films. To be honest, a lot of parts in this new score sound like the score to some sort of early 70's giallo. Some bits sound like the original composers' work. Some don't. I just really don't know what could've happened here. Rights issues, again, is the most likely and logical conclusion. However, the end title song is still on the disc, and it's by one of the composers. So, if there were rights issues with the rest of their score, wouldn't this song have been taken off of the disc as well? Also, there are actual songs added...songs, with lyrics...not just generic instrumental music (though there IS plenty of that as well). The added songs are NOT mentioned in the closing credits, nor anywhere on the DVD packaging. One would think that the artists involved with these songs would be able to sue if word got around to them that their music was being used without their permission. It seems to me a risk Columbia wouldn't knowingly want to take. So while "music rights" is the most likely of scenarios, I can't help but feel this particular incident stems simply from an un-intentional screw-up (of some sort) on the studio's behalf. __________________ Paramount - We're not just a studio, we're a privilege. Columbia/Tri-Star - Cover art? You mean the pictures on the box? Last edited by Wes Ray; 10-12-04 at 01:25 PM.

10-19-04, 12:37 PM	#44
TERRORTRAIN New Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 15	I just read the dvdtalk review of the Happy Birthday To Me DVD and I am severly dissapointed and angry upon learning that the score has been changed! The DVD is worthless as far as I'm concerned and I won't be picking up a copy of it. How frustrating... Has there been any update on why Sony changed the soundtrack and if there are any thoughts on their end about re-releasing this (or recalling this version)? "Birthday" may be no masterpiece but to true fans, this is upsetting. For horror film lovers, music score is EXTREMLEY important to the genre (i.e. Halloween, Psycho, Friday The 13th, Carrie, Jaws, The Omen). My question to Sony execs: How would YOU feel if one of your favorite films (regardless of how mainstream it is) was rescored? Pissed off, indeed. I can live with crappy key art and no extras (although I still can't understand why there was no inclusion of a Theatrical Trailer) but this is just too much.

10-19-04, 05:02 PM	#45
JDF5244 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Hermosa Beach Posts: 728	This was the first horror movie I ever saw in the theater. I remember the night my older brother took me to see this like it was yesterday. A terrific flick. It is quite disappointing however that some beeeyatches at the studio didn't know what they were doing when they put this together. I will await further customer feedback before buying it. I also think $19.95 is a bit steep for this. $9.95...OK. But $19.95???????

10-19-04, 08:18 PM	#46
Wes Ray Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 206	My review at DVDDrive-In should be up tonight sometime. Columbia never got back in touch with me regarding the changes, so all we have to go on are theories. I still contend it's probably the wrong print. __________________ Paramount - We're not just a studio, we're a privilege. Columbia/Tri-Star - Cover art? You mean the pictures on the box?

10-19-04, 10:07 PM	#47
Disc-Flipper DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada Posts: 2,368	Does the music sound old or new ? __________________ My DVD Collection

10-20-04, 02:26 AM	#49
Wes Ray Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 206	My full review is finally up. http://www.dvddrive-in.com/reviews/e...hdaytome81.htm To answer your question, Disc...the music is old. Disco and such. Though, some pieces sound even earlier than late 70's/early 80's. __________________ Paramount - We're not just a studio, we're a privilege. Columbia/Tri-Star - Cover art? You mean the pictures on the box?

10-20-04, 12:28 PM	#50
TERRORTRAIN New Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 15	Hey Wes, Your review of HBTM is great! (It shows you're a true fan). But I can't get past the whole scrore changing (especially in the beginning over the credits--as you said, the whole tone is set there.) I want to be optimistic and hope that Sony will correct this problem. But I feel they need to hear it from us--the fans and consumers. Do you have an email address for Sony that we send our thoughts to?