CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16???

Heliosphann · 09-06-03, 02:31 AM

So I was on Palm Pictures site and apparently they are releasing Matthew Barney's CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 on DVD... The Palm website say's 9/16, but I can't find any information or pre-order prices for it!!!

Any one have any info on these DVD's??? I'm stoked they're getting released, even more so if they will this month!!!

Here's the link to PALM PICTURES site...

http://www.palmpictures.com/videos/news/comingsoon.html

mcarver · 09-06-03, 03:42 PM

Interesting... I also can't find anyone (including major suppliers to the vendors) that has any information on this release.

TriMark/Lions Gate was listed as having The Order: From Cremation 3 (Special Edition) available 8/26/2003. However, it also doesn't seem to be available yet. I've seen the runtime listed for this as either 120 minutes or 240 minutes (IMDB lists #3 as 182 minutes).

bdots48 · 09-06-03, 05:38 PM

I just rented The Order from Cremaster 3 from Netflix - it's about a half hour section from the cremaster 3 film, with director commentary. The commentary explains the meaning behind some of his wild images but says little about the actual filming and participants.

Sunday Morning · 09-06-03, 05:46 PM

I think matthew barney is just trying to suck as much out of people as he can by releasing "excerpts" from his video series instead of the whole thing.

Just release the whole thing, matthew.

Never mess with a man and his "art"!

Gerry P. · 09-06-03, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sunday Morning
I think matthew barney is just trying to suck as much out of people as he can by releasing "excerpts" from his video series instead of the whole thing.

Actually, the "Order" disc is pretty neat and has enough special features to warrant its own release.

DocBrass · 09-06-03, 11:32 PM

the DVDs might be worth checking out. they are showing the films at the Museum of Fine Arts here in Houston.

Heliosphann · 09-09-03, 03:45 AM

Yeah, they just played in Indianapolis but I missed them. I wish somebody had some info about these. HELP!!!

RichDB10 · 09-09-03, 06:26 AM

I too am looking forward to seeing this get released but suspect it's still a way off especially as Order:Cremaster 3 has just been released on DVD recently so i suspect they will try to get 'mileage' with this before they release the whole cycle.
Palm Pictures have that that release date listed for months and certainly don't update their website that often.

Apocrypha · 09-09-03, 09:27 AM

I think you are right. The Order is an interesting release (still haven't seen the multiangle) probably testing the waters a bit to see how the Cremaster Cycle will sell. Although I don't think money is at the heart of the matter for M.B. considering the way he gets money thrown at him by institutions like the Guggenheim to make art.
However Palm pictures have a vested interest in these selling well. If they put the Cycle out on DVD it will probably be an amazing set with lots of extras, as well as costly most likely.
If you are really interested in his work the Cremaster Cycle is available as a hardcover book. It covers the entire Cycle and is meant to be a companion piece to the films. As are the sculptures etc...
I recommend picking this book up while it is still available, if you are really interested in the films.

William Fuld · 09-09-03, 12:09 PM

I don't think they're testing the waters. I could be wrong but I believe the deal to release The Order was in place with Lion's Gate before Palm announced they were releasing the whole Cycle. Since Palm is also the theatrical distributor, and the theatrical release was very successful and extended through the winter, they're probably holding off releasing the DVDs until it's out of theaters.

ehonauer · 09-09-03, 02:00 PM

Palm Pictures has also pushed back the release date of the Spike Jonze collection three times in the past month, so they may be having some, um, organizational challenges...

dj_freedomchild · 09-20-03, 12:19 AM

Okay, I just got my hands on the Order DVD and I have to say it's pretty neat. It's really modeled after the exhibit shown in the Guggenheim. It has the option of viewing this section of the movie as it appears in Cremaster 3 or viewing the individual degrees separately as displayed in the Guggenheim installation.

I have to say, it's really really cool, but now I want the cycle on DVD more than ever. I was THIS close to getting it on bootleg when I heard there would be a legit version coming out.

Please.. if anyone here knows anything about the release of this box set, share.

FilmFanSea · 09-20-03, 12:51 AM

Palm Pictures Customer Service is telling callers that the full Cremaster Cycle won't be released on DVD until 2004 (probably in the Spring).

They obviously don't update their website very often . . .

dj_freedomchild · 09-20-03, 01:26 AM

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!

RichDB10 · 09-21-03, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FilmFanSea
Palm Pictures Customer Service is telling callers that the full Cremaster Cycle won't be released on DVD until 2004 (probably in the Spring).

They obviously don't update their website very often . . .

Disappointing i suppose...but not at all surprised!

Richard Malloy · 09-22-03, 10:46 AM

Spring 2004? Not bad... I never really hoped, even for a moment, that we'd get the whole thing on DVD, so this is quite a pleasant surprise.

And "the Order" DVD is an excellent tease, though it doesn't nearly reflect the full variety of the series. I still laugh everytime I think of that image of Serra, clutching his trowel and standing tall in full sculptor garb as the camera circles him, like some badass enemy combatant in a video game. That's one of the indelible images... that and Aimee's crystal legs.

siegfried · 08-24-04, 09:25 AM

Has anyone heard of when the release date will be for the Cremaser Cycle? I was on the Palm Pictures web site, and there is no mention of it.

slop101 · 12-29-09, 04:23 PM

More than 5 years later and still nothing. Pathetic.

Boba Fett · 12-29-09, 04:30 PM

I thought it was confirmed by the creator himself they would never be on DVD, aside from a 20 copy, $100,000 each set.

slop101 · 12-29-09, 04:55 PM

How about blu-ray then?

starseed · 12-29-09, 06:20 PM

Matthew Barney has said repeatedly that the series will never see a commercial home video release. Aside from The Order, the only DVD versions are absurdly rare (like 10 copies of each film), and are traded by art collectors at insane prices. Screenings of the films seem to have halted for the time being. The best you can do, unfortunately, is to download the bootleg AVIs of the films; parts 1-4 are in good quality (sourced from VHS, but still good quality) but the quality of part 5 is pretty bad (but not unwatchable). One would think that an "artist" like Barney would not want people to experience such second-rate versions of the films, and I hope he changes his mind, but until then...

Boba Fett · 12-29-09, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by starseed

Matthew Barney has said repeatedly that the series will never see a commercial home video release. Aside from The Order, the only DVD versions are absurdly rare (like 10 copies of each film), and are traded by art collectors at insane prices. Screenings of the films seem to have halted for the time being. The best you can do, unfortunately, is to download the bootleg AVIs of the films; parts 1-4 are in good quality (sourced from VHS, but still good quality) but the quality of part 5 is pretty bad (but not unwatchable). One would think that an "artist" like Barney would not want people to experience such second-rate versions of the films, and I hope he changes his mind, but until then...

Pulling in easy money with minimal work is an artform of its own.

Alcoholiday · 12-29-09, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101

More than 5 years later and still nothing. Pathetic.

i saw creamaster 3 in one of my film classes. One of the worst movie's/performance arts i've seen. This coming from someone who does watch experimental films as well. Hopefully you guys have had the experience of seeing these films and like them, and aren't getting your hopes up for a release if you haven't seen them before.

Guess it wasn't my cup of tea...

slowcloud · 12-29-09, 10:20 PM

This guy comes from the performance art world, not the commercial film world. It's not coming out on any mass DVD scale. He does not have that mentality.

I have the Order, and I'm long over waiting for any kind of DVD release of his other work. I saw enough of it on You Tube to satisfy me, and I'm over it. There was enough hype around it all to kill my interest for it.

09-06-03, 02:31 AM	#1
Heliosphann DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,161	CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16??? So I was on Palm Pictures site and apparently they are releasing Matthew Barney's CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 on DVD... The Palm website say's 9/16, but I can't find any information or pre-order prices for it!!! Any one have any info on these DVD's??? I'm stoked they're getting released, even more so if they will this month!!! Here's the link to PALM PICTURES site... http://www.palmpictures.com/videos/news/comingsoon.html Last edited by Heliosphann; 09-06-03 at 02:34 AM.

09-06-03, 03:42 PM	#2
mcarver DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Posts: 1,985	Interesting... I also can't find anyone (including major suppliers to the vendors) that has any information on this release. TriMark/Lions Gate was listed as having The Order: From Cremation 3 (Special Edition) available 8/26/2003. However, it also doesn't seem to be available yet. I've seen the runtime listed for this as either 120 minutes or 240 minutes (IMDB lists #3 as 182 minutes). __________________ Michael's Movie Mayhem -- Region 1 DVD Database

09-06-03, 11:32 PM	#6
DocBrass Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 208	now showing the DVDs might be worth checking out. they are showing the films at the Museum of Fine Arts here in Houston. __________________ My current collection Last edited by DocBrass; 09-06-03 at 11:35 PM.

09-20-03, 12:51 AM	#13
FilmFanSea Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 788	Palm Pictures Customer Service is telling callers that the full Cremaster Cycle won't be released on DVD until 2004 (probably in the Spring). They obviously don't update their website very often . . . __________________ My DVD Collection

09-22-03, 10:46 AM	#16
Richard Malloy DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,428	Spring 2004? Not bad... I never really hoped, even for a moment, that we'd get the whole thing on DVD, so this is quite a pleasant surprise. And "the Order" DVD is an excellent tease, though it doesn't nearly reflect the full variety of the series. I still laugh everytime I think of that image of Serra, clutching his trowel and standing tall in full sculptor garb as the camera circles him, like some badass enemy combatant in a video game. That's one of the indelible images... that and Aimee's crystal legs. __________________ "Support our Tropes"

09-06-03, 05:38 PM	#3
bdots48 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Lakewood,OH,USA Posts: 1,926	I just rented The Order from Cremaster 3 from Netflix - it's about a half hour section from the cremaster 3 film, with director commentary. The commentary explains the meaning behind some of his wild images but says little about the actual filming and participants.

09-06-03, 05:46 PM	#4
Sunday Morning DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: A little bit here and a little bit there. Posts: 2,644	I think matthew barney is just trying to suck as much out of people as he can by releasing "excerpts" from his video series instead of the whole thing. Just release the whole thing, matthew. Never mess with a man and his "art"!

09-09-03, 03:45 AM	#7
Heliosphann DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,161	Yeah, they just played in Indianapolis but I missed them. I wish somebody had some info about these. HELP!!!

09-09-03, 06:26 AM	#8
RichDB10 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North east England UK Posts: 1,689	I too am looking forward to seeing this get released but suspect it's still a way off especially as Order:Cremaster 3 has just been released on DVD recently so i suspect they will try to get 'mileage' with this before they release the whole cycle. Palm Pictures have that that release date listed for months and certainly don't update their website that often.

09-09-03, 09:27 AM	#9
Apocrypha DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: The White Lodge Posts: 1,743	I think you are right. The Order is an interesting release (still haven't seen the multiangle) probably testing the waters a bit to see how the Cremaster Cycle will sell. Although I don't think money is at the heart of the matter for M.B. considering the way he gets money thrown at him by institutions like the Guggenheim to make art. However Palm pictures have a vested interest in these selling well. If they put the Cycle out on DVD it will probably be an amazing set with lots of extras, as well as costly most likely. If you are really interested in his work the Cremaster Cycle is available as a hardcover book. It covers the entire Cycle and is meant to be a companion piece to the films. As are the sculptures etc... I recommend picking this book up while it is still available, if you are really interested in the films.

09-09-03, 12:09 PM	#10
William Fuld DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 3,254	I don't think they're testing the waters. I could be wrong but I believe the deal to release The Order was in place with Lion's Gate before Palm announced they were releasing the whole Cycle. Since Palm is also the theatrical distributor, and the theatrical release was very successful and extended through the winter, they're probably holding off releasing the DVDs until it's out of theaters.

09-09-03, 02:00 PM	#11
ehonauer DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: May 2001 Location: Rhode Island, USA Posts: 1,023	Palm Pictures has also pushed back the release date of the Spike Jonze collection three times in the past month, so they may be having some, um, organizational challenges...

09-20-03, 12:19 AM	#12
dj_freedomchild New Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 10	Okay, I just got my hands on the Order DVD and I have to say it's pretty neat. It's really modeled after the exhibit shown in the Guggenheim. It has the option of viewing this section of the movie as it appears in Cremaster 3 or viewing the individual degrees separately as displayed in the Guggenheim installation. I have to say, it's really really cool, but now I want the cycle on DVD more than ever. I was THIS close to getting it on bootleg when I heard there would be a legit version coming out. Please.. if anyone here knows anything about the release of this box set, share.

09-20-03, 01:26 AM	#14
dj_freedomchild New Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 10	Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!

08-24-04, 09:25 AM	#17
siegfried Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 178	Cremaster cycle release date? Has anyone heard of when the release date will be for the Cremaser Cycle? I was on the Palm Pictures web site, and there is no mention of it.

12-29-09, 04:23 PM	#18
slop101 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cali Posts: 17,087	Re: CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16??? More than 5 years later and still nothing. Pathetic.

12-29-09, 04:30 PM	#19
Boba Fett DVD Talk Reviewer Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,600	Re: CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16??? I thought it was confirmed by the creator himself they would never be on DVD, aside from a 20 copy, $100,000 each set.

12-29-09, 04:55 PM	#20
slop101 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cali Posts: 17,087	Re: CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16??? How about blu-ray then?

12-29-09, 06:20 PM	#21
starseed Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 248	Re: CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16??? Matthew Barney has said repeatedly that the series will never see a commercial home video release. Aside from The Order, the only DVD versions are absurdly rare (like 10 copies of each film), and are traded by art collectors at insane prices. Screenings of the films seem to have halted for the time being. The best you can do, unfortunately, is to download the bootleg AVIs of the films; parts 1-4 are in good quality (sourced from VHS, but still good quality) but the quality of part 5 is pretty bad (but not unwatchable). One would think that an "artist" like Barney would not want people to experience such second-rate versions of the films, and I hope he changes his mind, but until then...

12-29-09, 10:20 PM	#24
slowcloud DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,035	Re: CREMASTER CYCLE 1-5 from Palm Pictures 9/16??? This guy comes from the performance art world, not the commercial film world. It's not coming out on any mass DVD scale. He does not have that mentality. I have the Order, and I'm long over waiting for any kind of DVD release of his other work. I saw enough of it on You Tube to satisfy me, and I'm over it. There was enough hype around it all to kill my interest for it. __________________ My Collection - DVD Aficionado The Independent Ethos - Handmade with vinyl and celluloid