Star Wars DVD change?

Mike Lowrey · 07-14-04, 01:41 PM

I made mention of this on the Dutch Coverart thread, but I think it warrants its own thread, so...

This shot taken from the DVD trailer seems changed to me. I don't recall the extensive background (especially the TIE Fighter) or the number of troopers from this shot in the '97 SE.

Masamune · 07-14-04, 01:43 PM

Pretty sure this was in the SE.

Look again.

bboisvert · 07-14-04, 01:46 PM

Mike -- that Tie Fighter was absolutely in the SE. And the number of troopers looks unchanged. The scene looks identical to me.

Fok · 07-14-04, 01:50 PM

Yep looks the same to me.

Shannon Nutt · 07-14-04, 01:52 PM

I've seen DVD File's French to American trailer comparison, and I can see no differences...

bboisvert · 07-14-04, 01:56 PM

Here's the guide to the 1997 SE changes:

http://www.theforce.net/swse/

This page (http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deathStar.html) has a small screen shot and mentions the Tie Fighter.

Mike Lowrey · 07-14-04, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Masamune
Pretty sure this was in the SE.

Look again.

Are you sure?

I remember they had a different shot than from the original '77 version, with a few more troopers, but that background and all those troopers on the sides are, I swear, new.

I'd check, but I don't have a VCR hooked up and I don't know what happened to my VHS tapes anyway.

However, also finally getting the entire trailer downloaded, the sabers in the ANH duel did look enhanced.

Here's that shot:

Bottom shot is from US trailer, top from French trailer. Obviously the US trailer is from the old FF version.

bboisvert · 07-14-04, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
I've seen DVD File's French to American trailer comparison, and I can see no differences...

I certainly don't see anything radical... but can someone else confirm that the Wampa scene is different?

I'm doing a frame-by-frame and it sure looks different to me... but it's hard because the aspect ratio is different and the frames don't exactly match up.

But it seems like the background is different and so are the movements.

Mike Lowrey · 07-14-04, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bboisvert
Here's the guide to the 1997 SE changes:

http://www.theforce.net/swse/

This page (http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deathStar.html) has a small screen shot and mentions the Tie Fighter.

Well, OK, but I sure don't remember it being that extensive. I knew the shot had been changed from the original, but I sure don't remember the platform on the left and the TIE on the right.

Shannon Nutt · 07-14-04, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bboisvert
I certainly don't see anything radical... but can someone else confirm that the Wampa scene is different?

I'm doing a frame-by-frame and it sure looks different to me... but it's hard because the aspect ratio is different and the frames don't exactly match up.

But it seems like the background is different and so are the movements.

The Wampa scene is the same. I did notice the Obi-Wan/Darth lightsabers looked better in the French Version - but that's the ONLY thing I noticed.

The two videos aren't in perfect synch - which is why you may notice a slight difference (plus the fact that one is letterboxed and one isn't).

bboisvert · 07-14-04, 02:12 PM

The change noticed by Artman in the other thread:

The corridor has been digitally altered.

Kal-El · 07-14-04, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Lowrey
Here's that shot:

Bottom shot is from US trailer, top from French trailer. Obviously the US trailer is from the old FF version.

Now that looks good.

Shannon Nutt · 07-14-04, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bboisvert
The change noticed by Artman in the other thread:

The corridor has been digitally altered.

Has it? Or are we looking at two different frames? The videos are NOT in perfect synch...

bboisvert · 07-14-04, 02:26 PM

Shannon -- look at that section of the video and still frame it. They aren't *perfectly* in synch, but they are within a frame or two. Just look at the smoke in the upper-right corner, which is in an identical pattern in the two shots.

The backgrounds are different. It isn't an aspect ratio thing either... the "white" end of the tunnel is gone in the French.

Joe Molotov · 07-14-04, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
Has it? Or are we looking at two different frames? The videos are NOT in perfect synch...

Looks the same to me.

bboisvert · 07-14-04, 02:41 PM

Of course, if you look at the two "Leia corridor" scenes, you'll also see that her gun doesn't fire at all in the U.S. trailer. It may be that they've accidentally included some sort of pre-production shot in the U.S. trailer, without finished effects.

I'll have to dig out my LD and see what the corridor looks like there...

EDIT: I just step framed through my LD of the 1997 SE. It looks like the bottom (U.S. trailer) image. I suppose we'll have to wait until we have more than .5 second of footage for a confirmation, but this looks like a pretty definite change.

Adrenaline · 07-14-04, 03:05 PM

I'm all for the changes if it means it looks better.

Terrell · 07-14-04, 03:16 PM

The problem is we don't have hi-res screenshots to compare. We're always looking at lower resolution pictures. The detention block corridor has been changed, for the better as far as I'm concerned. That's a minor change that works for the better.

Rammsteinfan · 07-14-04, 03:30 PM

I hope that they finally fixed that white saber when DV is walking towards the door after killing Obi... bugged me in the SE.

Mike Lowrey · 07-14-04, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Adrenaline
I'm all for the changes if it means it looks better.

Right, and that's all I ever wanted all along. I just want the OT films to look at least a little bit like they were filmed or at least processed today with digitally enhanced effects and scene extensions, much as they're doing for THX 1138. These little tweaks are always welcome IMO.

Now I know most people have a huge issue with the Greedo thing and that's understandable. As well as the Jabba's Palace musical number, but for some crazy reason, I liked the musical number, if not for the skantilly clad dancers.

I hope to God they have done something with the Rancor scene. That scene needs some major cleaning up/recompositing.

The tenticle that grabs C3-PO in the dungeon hallway in Jabba's Palace as he's being lead away by the Gamorrean Guards also needs a CGI replacement. That scene always bugged me from 1983 onward.

DavidH · 07-14-04, 06:19 PM

Remember, that tie fighter in the background is exactly what Lucas wanted and always intended!

digitalfreaknyc · 07-14-04, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike Lowrey

However, also finally getting the entire trailer downloaded, the sabers in the ANH duel did look enhanced.

Where are you downloading it from?

emhello · 07-14-04, 07:00 PM

Would have rather had Lucas working on the next Indiana Jones movie than editing the old Star Wars trilogy over and over...

DavidH · 07-14-04, 09:47 PM

I don't know. Something tells me the next Indy movie would have just been plain bad.

Though, many say the same of Lucas' Star Wars changes...

Case01 · 07-14-04, 09:54 PM

Does anyone else feel that changing the film years upon years after it's release is wrong?I could see for legal issues if needed and such but once a final print is made and it's done at the box office it is done.I've no problem with releasing a "better" version later but these are coming first on DVD and will the real aka theatrical versions ever be on dvd?or the next format.

well thats my worthless semi rant.dont mind me

07-14-04, 01:41 PM	#1
Mike Lowrey Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: So. Illinois Posts: 3,019	Star Wars DVD change? I made mention of this on the Dutch Coverart thread, but I think it warrants its own thread, so... This shot taken from the DVD trailer seems changed to me. I don't recall the extensive background (especially the TIE Fighter) or the number of troopers from this shot in the '97 SE.

07-14-04, 01:50 PM	#4
Fok DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Canada, BC Posts: 6,343	Yep looks the same to me. __________________ This is my signature, don't know what to put here yet

07-14-04, 02:41 PM	#16
bboisvert DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Docking Bay 94 Posts: 14,030	Of course, if you look at the two "Leia corridor" scenes, you'll also see that her gun doesn't fire at all in the U.S. trailer. It may be that they've accidentally included some sort of pre-production shot in the U.S. trailer, without finished effects. I'll have to dig out my LD and see what the corridor looks like there... EDIT: I just step framed through my LD of the 1997 SE. It looks like the bottom (U.S. trailer) image. I suppose we'll have to wait until we have more than .5 second of footage for a confirmation, but this looks like a pretty definite change. Last edited by bboisvert; 07-14-04 at 02:55 PM.

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Adrenaline DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Elkridge, MD USA Posts: 1,441	I'm all for the changes if it means it looks better. __________________ You can't double dip on life, why not get the ultimate edition? Less then 1% snapper, 0% Non-Anamorphic DVDs and now with 10% more Blu! My Countdown Counting down to: Start of "Lost" Principal Photography "Lost" is finished being filmed! Onto Post

07-14-04, 03:30 PM	#19
Rammsteinfan DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,592	I hope that they finally fixed that white saber when DV is walking towards the door after killing Obi... bugged me in the SE. __________________ "Multitasking - screwing up several things at once!" MY BLU / DVD COLLECTION

07-14-04, 01:43 PM	#2
Masamune Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: DVD Rehab Posts: 607	Pretty sure this was in the SE. Look again.

07-14-04, 01:46 PM	#3
bboisvert DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Docking Bay 94 Posts: 14,030	Mike -- that Tie Fighter was absolutely in the SE. And the number of troopers looks unchanged. The scene looks identical to me.

07-14-04, 01:52 PM	#5
Shannon Nutt DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 6,791	I've seen DVD File's French to American trailer comparison, and I can see no differences...

07-14-04, 01:56 PM	#6
bboisvert DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Docking Bay 94 Posts: 14,030	Here's the guide to the 1997 SE changes: http://www.theforce.net/swse/ This page (http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deathStar.html) has a small screen shot and mentions the Tie Fighter.

07-14-04, 02:12 PM	#11
bboisvert DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Docking Bay 94 Posts: 14,030	The change noticed by Artman in the other thread: The corridor has been digitally altered.

07-14-04, 02:26 PM	#14
bboisvert DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Docking Bay 94 Posts: 14,030	Shannon -- look at that section of the video and still frame it. They aren't perfectly in synch, but they are within a frame or two. Just look at the smoke in the upper-right corner, which is in an identical pattern in the two shots. The backgrounds are different. It isn't an aspect ratio thing either... the "white" end of the tunnel is gone in the French.

07-14-04, 03:16 PM	#18
Terrell DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Carrollton, Ga Posts: 4,382	The problem is we don't have hi-res screenshots to compare. We're always looking at lower resolution pictures. The detention block corridor has been changed, for the better as far as I'm concerned. That's a minor change that works for the better.

07-14-04, 06:19 PM	#21
DavidH DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,463	Remember, that tie fighter in the background is exactly what Lucas wanted and always intended!

07-14-04, 07:00 PM	#23
emhello Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 819	Would have rather had Lucas working on the next Indiana Jones movie than editing the old Star Wars trilogy over and over...

07-14-04, 09:47 PM	#24
DavidH DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,463	I don't know. Something tells me the next Indy movie would have just been plain bad. Though, many say the same of Lucas' Star Wars changes...

07-14-04, 09:54 PM	#25
Case01 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Doom Town Posts: 273	Does anyone else feel that changing the film years upon years after it's release is wrong?I could see for legal issues if needed and such but once a final print is made and it's done at the box office it is done.I've no problem with releasing a "better" version later but these are coming first on DVD and will the real aka theatrical versions ever be on dvd?or the next format. well thats my worthless semi rant.dont mind me __________________ Rebel With A Cause