Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) - Page 3

Viper187 · 09-05-09, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiky

Because Denon doesn't allow authorized dealers to sell below MAP. And they have few authorized internet dealers. Sometimes they have zero.

So what? It's a question of how bad you want the warranty then? Is it really worth like $250 more?

Spiky · 09-05-09, 11:16 AM

You asked a business question, and I answered it factually.

Perhaps your twisted, uncensored view of Denon's sales methodology could be blogged. I doubt it will be noticed by Denon, however.

Viper187 · 09-05-09, 06:12 PM

Ok, so the 890 and 2310 have essentially all the same features. According to the Denon site, the 890 has been available since July, so why doesn't anyone have them!?!? Amazon doesn't have an ETA on getting them, and half the other "Authorized" dealers don't seem to carry it.

I might sign up for the Prime trial on Amazon, 2-day the damn 2310CI, and be done with it. I have a friend willing to buy my Onkyo TX-SR604 when he comes to town to visit next weekend, so I might as well do this.

Spiky · 09-05-09, 08:22 PM

When Denon has different product lines, it is to sell them in different stores. So your local giant chain can sell the 890 and the local high-end shop can sell the 2310, and they can be the exact same machine inside (assuming you are correct). And they don't have to compete on the "We match competitor prices!" sales. Also, note the "CI", that stands for Custom Install so the high-end store can brag about it. And Denon is well known for dumping stores that break their rules. So they come and go at particular stores.

My point being that maybe you are looking at stores that would never sell the 890. Maybe Amazon isn't supposed to have both series. Not Amazon itself, although they are a storefront for others.

Viper187 · 09-06-09, 12:47 PM

Well, I ordered the 2310CI from Amazon. $4 to overnight it with a free trial of Prime. I just hope those A1 assholes aren't handling packages in western PA. I've always gotten UPS/USPS up to this point, so I'm guessing living in a rural area nobody gives a shit about might be to my benefit for once. lol

12thmonkey · 11-04-09, 10:08 AM

Anyone here using the Denon AVR-1910?
Feedback and thoughts welcome...

I'm in the market to upgrade from my old Onkyo TS-595 (due to acknowledged issues decoding digital broadcast signals), and my price range is $500-ish.

I'm also eyeballing the Sony ES STR-DA2400ES. A little out of price range, but I could be swayed.

Sonny · 11-04-09, 09:30 PM

Best Buy has the Denon 890 for $799.

Spiky · 11-04-09, 11:15 PM

You know, that Onkyo has a multichannel input. You could look at the Emotiva UMC-1 preamp, which has just about (finally!!) started shipping. $699.

This will absolutely give the best sound of anything remotely close in price. No amps, obviously, but for anyone with amps already...great sound and a great upgrade path for the future.

12thmonkey · 11-05-09, 08:18 AM

Dumb question of the day:
If my speakers are rated at 80w should I steer clear of a 100w per channel receiver?

cpgator · 11-05-09, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12thmonkey

Dumb question of the day:
If my speakers are rated at 80w should I steer clear of a 100w per channel receiver?

No.

dick_grayson · 11-05-09, 02:56 PM

I'm thinking of getting this.....if/when it's released:

http://emotiva.com/umc1.shtm

and pair it with this:

http://emotiva.com/upa7.shtm

09-05-09, 11:16 AM	#52
Spiky DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 5,480	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) You asked a business question, and I answered it factually. Perhaps your twisted, uncensored view of Denon's sales methodology could be blogged. I doubt it will be noticed by Denon, however. __________________ Ignorance vs Bliss --Wizdar

09-05-09, 06:12 PM	#53
Viper187 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 338	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) Ok, so the 890 and 2310 have essentially all the same features. According to the Denon site, the 890 has been available since July, so why doesn't anyone have them!?!? Amazon doesn't have an ETA on getting them, and half the other "Authorized" dealers don't seem to carry it. I might sign up for the Prime trial on Amazon, 2-day the damn 2310CI, and be done with it. I have a friend willing to buy my Onkyo TX-SR604 when he comes to town to visit next weekend, so I might as well do this. __________________ My movie collection Movies in desperate need of a DVD/BD release! My twisted, uncensored views on things. Last edited by Viper187; 09-05-09 at 06:14 PM.

09-05-09, 08:22 PM	#54
Spiky DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 5,480	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) When Denon has different product lines, it is to sell them in different stores. So your local giant chain can sell the 890 and the local high-end shop can sell the 2310, and they can be the exact same machine inside (assuming you are correct). And they don't have to compete on the "We match competitor prices!" sales. Also, note the "CI", that stands for Custom Install so the high-end store can brag about it. And Denon is well known for dumping stores that break their rules. So they come and go at particular stores. My point being that maybe you are looking at stores that would never sell the 890. Maybe Amazon isn't supposed to have both series. Not Amazon itself, although they are a storefront for others. __________________ Ignorance vs Bliss --Wizdar

09-06-09, 12:47 PM	#55
Viper187 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 338	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) Well, I ordered the 2310CI from Amazon. $4 to overnight it with a free trial of Prime. I just hope those A1 assholes aren't handling packages in western PA. I've always gotten UPS/USPS up to this point, so I'm guessing living in a rural area nobody gives a shit about might be to my benefit for once. lol __________________ My movie collection Movies in desperate need of a DVD/BD release! My twisted, uncensored views on things.

11-04-09, 10:08 AM	#56
12thmonkey DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Frankfort, IL Posts: 5,566	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) Anyone here using the Denon AVR-1910? Feedback and thoughts welcome... I'm in the market to upgrade from my old Onkyo TS-595 (due to acknowledged issues decoding digital broadcast signals), and my price range is $500-ish. I'm also eyeballing the Sony ES STR-DA2400ES. A little out of price range, but I could be swayed. __________________ My DVD Collection Free The West Memphis Three Eamus Catuli! Zerstörung durch Fortschritte der Technologie Last edited by 12thmonkey; 11-04-09 at 12:02 PM.

11-04-09, 09:30 PM	#57
Sonny Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 183	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) Best Buy has the Denon 890 for $799.

11-04-09, 11:15 PM	#58
Spiky DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 5,480	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) You know, that Onkyo has a multichannel input. You could look at the Emotiva UMC-1 preamp, which has just about (finally!!) started shipping. $699. This will absolutely give the best sound of anything remotely close in price. No amps, obviously, but for anyone with amps already...great sound and a great upgrade path for the future. __________________ Ignorance vs Bliss --Wizdar

11-05-09, 08:18 AM	#59
12thmonkey DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Frankfort, IL Posts: 5,566	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) Dumb question of the day: If my speakers are rated at 80w should I steer clear of a 100w per channel receiver? __________________ My DVD Collection Free The West Memphis Three Eamus Catuli! Zerstörung durch Fortschritte der Technologie

11-05-09, 02:56 PM	#61
dick_grayson DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lyon Estates Posts: 10,487	Re: Thinking about a new receiver (need suggestions) I'm thinking of getting this.....if/when it's released: http://emotiva.com/umc1.shtm and pair it with this: http://emotiva.com/upa7.shtm