Do you have a Samsung DLP? Love it or Hate it?

Sloth911 · 06-22-05, 09:28 PM

I have been torturing myself over buying a Widescreen TV for the last 3 years. I am finally (i think) ready to take the jump and buy a 50' Samsung DLP.

I have been reading all about the new series on AVS and everyone seems to be pretty happy aside from some audio-sync problems.

Anyone around here have a Samsung DLP? How do you like it? Would you buy it again? Should I go with a CRT instead?

tdirgins · 06-23-05, 08:41 AM

DLP all the way baby. I have the 50 incher and other than the audio sync (which can be mitigated) I love it. http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...ng#post5572313

Brian Shannon · 06-23-05, 07:08 PM

Both of my brother-in-law's have them and I have seen them and been impressed. I like DLP as I have a DLP projector in my theater.

matome · 06-26-05, 07:53 PM

I've had the 1st gen 50" HLM5065 since 2002, and I love the damn thing. It's on 5-6 hours a day with DVD's, TV and as a computer monitor with not a single problem.

buckee1 · 06-27-05, 12:58 PM

I have the 61" Sammy DLP and I could not be happier! I've had it for almost a year now and it still just causes the mouth to drop open whenver I'm watching movies or HD content! DLP All the Way Baby!

dkny75 · 06-28-05, 11:21 AM

I have the HLR 5067. I absolutely love it. The only thing I can complain about is the slight audio sync issue but like it was said before, that can be taken care of.

Save Ferris · 06-28-05, 11:37 AM

Ill say no. I do a lot of gaming and the audio sync and lag were some issues that were really important to me. I went with Sony RP LCD. There is a lot of support as far as tweaking to get a very respectable black level.

sdcrym · 06-28-05, 12:45 PM

I did a quick search and couldn't find anything. What's the audio sync problem and how is it mitigated?

Save Ferris · 06-28-05, 12:55 PM

I THINK it has to do with which input you use. Id check with Avsforum.com for full details

Edit to add: Another reason I steered away from DLP this generation is my fear of the 'rainbow' effect. Some people can get headaches from it or it can just be annoying. They could also pop up at any time in different light conditions. I know its getting better but I dont need more headaches lol.

Id test any DLP with some good fast moving black and white footage (Ive heard on some DLPs the opening scene of Van Helsing is completely unwatchable). LCD has its drawbacks as well, though. Too bad right now theres no clear and away BEST choice.

BigDave · 06-28-05, 03:42 PM

I've had my 46" DLP (HLN467) for about 1.5yrs and couldn't be happier. I haven't had any issues with it. I play plenty of games on it and no problems at all.

Sloth911 · 06-28-05, 04:14 PM

I have been reading more about audio-lypsync-lag issues at AVS forum and thus far it is the only reason I have not bought the TV.

As far as I can tell Samsung is setup to deal with 720p/1080i as its primary (native) video source. If you feed it 480p/i there will be issues with the audio not syncing with the video because it takes the TV more time to convert the 480p/i to 720p.

If you feed the video into a receiver that up-converts the video to 720p you shouldn't have a problem.

The lag time on AVS has been reported as litte as .1 seconds upt 2 seconds!

This occurs on non-upconverting DVD players and I assume SD cable/satelite feeds.

With time sensitive video games this can be a HUGE problem. Several people have reported the problem resolved when switching the ps2 feed to 720p.

I think the information I posted above is correct, if anyone would care to correct me or elaboarate that would be great, because I could be wrong.

BigDave · 06-29-05, 07:10 AM

I have never seen any audio delay on my devices:
HD-Tivo & Samsung HD-931 DVD via DVI
PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube via component

Maybe it's particular models, but I haven't noticed it on the HLN467.

buckee1 · 06-29-05, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Save Ferris

I THINK it has to do with which input you use. Id check with Avsforum.com for full details

Edit to add: Another reason I steered away from DLP this generation is my fear of the 'rainbow' effect. Some people can get headaches from it or it can just be annoying. They could also pop up at any time in different light conditions. I know its getting better but I dont need more headaches lol.

Id test any DLP with some good fast moving black and white footage (Ive heard on some DLPs the opening scene of Van Helsing is completely unwatchable). LCD has its drawbacks as well, though. Too bad right now theres no clear and away BEST choice.

WOW. I heard about the "Rainbow" effect but have never experienced it on my set. Additionally, I've watched Van Helsing on my set at least five times and saw no problems whatsoever. Since I got my set, I have had nothing but the best of experiences. The lone drawback I have seen deals with fleshtones. At times they can look a little cartoony. For instance on Master & Commander, the faces tend to look more pasty than they should but again, that's the only real "issue" I have with DLP. Other than that, my experieince has been outstanding.

Save Ferris · 06-29-05, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckee1

WOW. I heard about the "Rainbow" effect but have never experienced it on my set. Additionally, I've watched Van Helsing on my set at least five times and saw no problems whatsoever. Since I got my set, I have had nothing but the best of experiences. The lone drawback I have seen deals with fleshtones. At times they can look a little cartoony. For instance on Master & Commander, the faces tend to look more pasty than they should but again, that's the only real "issue" I have with DLP. Other than that, my experieince has been outstanding.

I didnt see it on every DLP I looked at but it bothered me that it could appear in any mix of conditions. I didnt want to come accross this annoyance when using in a different movie or resolution or input or with my room darker or lighter. It was a kind of risk. I was worried about getting headaches also--I tend to get migraines. LCD has drawbacks but they are a constant and can be dealt with.

Sloth911 · 06-29-05, 11:48 AM

The pasty faces that your were seeing are often called "clay faces".

broadwayblue · 07-02-05, 06:16 PM

i actually went in on a powerbuy (avsforum through tvauthority) for one of these sets a couple years ago before cancelling my order just before it shipped. i still think they are great sets...but at about that time i wandered into the front projection forums over there (avsforum) and became quite intrigued. after all, these guys were telling me that i was crazy to spend thousands of dollars on such a small (50") television...when i could have my own movie theater sized screen for the same price. after waiting over a year more to move into my new place i finally pulled the trigger on a front projector...and i'm glad i waited. now i have 112" and i couldn't imagine going with anything less. sorry to ramble on...my answer would be "love the samsung DLP" but not for my main viewing. 50" is still a tv and lacks the cinematic feel.

Mexican Menace · 07-03-05, 02:18 PM

Ok so yesterday my local Best Buy had a 61" Samsung DLP display unit marked at $2999.

I had the 15% off open-box TVs coupon from Best Buy dot com.

It was either buy the TV or pay off my Best Buy card.

I decided to be a good boy and pay off the card. When I mentioned this on another forum, someone mentioned that Sony had a DLP in the works that would ship at more affordable prices. Anyone news on that?

Sloth911 · 07-04-05, 11:35 PM

Thanks for the advice and help. I finally pulled the trigger and bought an Infocus X1a. If you have any advive about front projection you can help me out over here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...51#post6198251

Alan Smithee · 07-06-05, 07:44 PM

Can the Samsungs automatically adjust between 4x3 (with black bars on the side) and 16x9 on DVDs, without having to manually change the settings? Since some DVDs have mixed content, I want one that can switch automatically- having to do it manually would drive me nuts.

BigDave · 07-07-05, 08:25 AM

I don't know of any TV that auto-adjusts between 4x3 and 16x9. Are there TVs that do that?

Sloth911 · 07-07-05, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDave

I don't know of any TV that auto-adjusts between 4x3 and 16x9. Are there TVs that do that?

I am not sure about other TV's, but in my epereince with the Samsungs at circuit city, it does not automatically switch back and forth.

The more I think about it, I agree with Dave and think it would be difficult to find a TV that automatically switches back and forth between the two.

Spiky · 07-07-05, 04:15 PM

The source switches, not the TV. At least, my HD box does, if it is going from SD to HD. But that doesn't apply to DVD.

Going from anamorphic DVD portions to NA portions is annoying and I haven't seen anything automatic, either. Jumping between the various resolutions and ARs of TV/commercials is REALLY annoying.

mrhan · 07-07-05, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiky

The source switches, not the TV. At least, my HD box does, if it is going from SD to HD. But that doesn't apply to DVD.

Going from anamorphic DVD portions to NA portions is annoying and I haven't seen anything automatic, either. Jumping between the various resolutions and ARs of TV/commercials is REALLY annoying.

I have an older Malata N996 All region DVD player that automatically changes the aspect ratio on the display. It knows whether it's 16x9 anamorphic or 4x3 and displays it accordingly on my 16x9 TV. I don't have to mess with my tv's aspect ratio button. I've been meaning to replace it but can't find another player that does this.

RockStrongo · 07-12-05, 03:41 PM

I have a 61in Sammy HLP6163w DLP set. Love it.

I have it connected to Dish network HD receiver (may switch to Direct TV soon) via DVI/optical....Momitsu V880DX Upconverting DVD player connected with DVI>HDMI cable and digital coax. I also have a modded xbox connected with component cables and optical. My receiver is a Harmon Kardon AVR430.

06-22-05, 09:28 PM	#1
Sloth911 DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Willow Grove, PA Posts: 3,055	Do you have a Samsung DLP? Love it or Hate it? I have been torturing myself over buying a Widescreen TV for the last 3 years. I am finally (i think) ready to take the jump and buy a 50' Samsung DLP. I have been reading all about the new series on AVS and everyone seems to be pretty happy aside from some audio-sync problems. Anyone around here have a Samsung DLP? How do you like it? Would you buy it again? Should I go with a CRT instead?

06-23-05, 08:41 AM	#2
tdirgins DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NYC Burbs Posts: 2,623	DLP all the way baby. I have the 50 incher and other than the audio sync (which can be mitigated) I love it. http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...ng#post5572313 __________________ The Collection

06-23-05, 07:08 PM	#3
Brian Shannon DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: USA Posts: 11,533	Both of my brother-in-law's have them and I have seen them and been impressed. I like DLP as I have a DLP projector in my theater. __________________ Brian Shannon Photography Brian Shannon Photography Blog Brian Shannon on 500px

06-26-05, 07:53 PM	#4
matome DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: NY Posts: 12,304	I've had the 1st gen 50" HLM5065 since 2002, and I love the damn thing. It's on 5-6 hours a day with DVD's, TV and as a computer monitor with not a single problem. __________________ DVD/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD \| Blu-Ray only \| Laserdisc

06-27-05, 12:58 PM	#5
buckee1 DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Minding the precious things in the Local Shop Posts: 4,107	I have the 61" Sammy DLP and I could not be happier! I've had it for almost a year now and it still just causes the mouth to drop open whenver I'm watching movies or HD content! DLP All the Way Baby! __________________ Ciao'

06-28-05, 11:21 AM	#6
dkny75 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 707	I have the HLR 5067. I absolutely love it. The only thing I can complain about is the slight audio sync issue but like it was said before, that can be taken care of. __________________ DVD Spot DVD Aficionado DVD Profiler Wii number: 8635 5577 9502 4722

06-28-05, 11:37 AM	#7
Save Ferris DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 12,690	Ill say no. I do a lot of gaming and the audio sync and lag were some issues that were really important to me. I went with Sony RP LCD. There is a lot of support as far as tweaking to get a very respectable black level. __________________ This weeks horoscope: “You’ll spend your remaining years hooked up to a machine, which is sad, as it’s the kind that checks e-mail and sends out texts.”

06-28-05, 12:45 PM	#8
sdcrym DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Starkville, MS Posts: 1,657	I did a quick search and couldn't find anything. What's the audio sync problem and how is it mitigated?

06-28-05, 12:55 PM	#9
Save Ferris DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 12,690	I THINK it has to do with which input you use. Id check with Avsforum.com for full details Edit to add: Another reason I steered away from DLP this generation is my fear of the 'rainbow' effect. Some people can get headaches from it or it can just be annoying. They could also pop up at any time in different light conditions. I know its getting better but I dont need more headaches lol. Id test any DLP with some good fast moving black and white footage (Ive heard on some DLPs the opening scene of Van Helsing is completely unwatchable). LCD has its drawbacks as well, though. Too bad right now theres no clear and away BEST choice. __________________ This weeks horoscope: “You’ll spend your remaining years hooked up to a machine, which is sad, as it’s the kind that checks e-mail and sends out texts.” Last edited by Save Ferris; 06-28-05 at 12:58 PM.

06-28-05, 03:42 PM	#10
BigDave DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 6,223	I've had my 46" DLP (HLN467) for about 1.5yrs and couldn't be happier. I haven't had any issues with it. I play plenty of games on it and no problems at all. __________________ Photos \| Gamertag: dave99ag \| Wii Code: 5730 2354 5554 2056

06-28-05, 04:14 PM	#11
Sloth911 DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Willow Grove, PA Posts: 3,055	I have been reading more about audio-lypsync-lag issues at AVS forum and thus far it is the only reason I have not bought the TV. As far as I can tell Samsung is setup to deal with 720p/1080i as its primary (native) video source. If you feed it 480p/i there will be issues with the audio not syncing with the video because it takes the TV more time to convert the 480p/i to 720p. If you feed the video into a receiver that up-converts the video to 720p you shouldn't have a problem. The lag time on AVS has been reported as litte as .1 seconds upt 2 seconds! This occurs on non-upconverting DVD players and I assume SD cable/satelite feeds. With time sensitive video games this can be a HUGE problem. Several people have reported the problem resolved when switching the ps2 feed to 720p. I think the information I posted above is correct, if anyone would care to correct me or elaboarate that would be great, because I could be wrong.

06-29-05, 07:10 AM	#12
BigDave DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 6,223	I have never seen any audio delay on my devices: HD-Tivo & Samsung HD-931 DVD via DVI PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube via component Maybe it's particular models, but I haven't noticed it on the HLN467. __________________ Photos \| Gamertag: dave99ag \| Wii Code: 5730 2354 5554 2056

06-29-05, 11:48 AM	#15
Sloth911 DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Willow Grove, PA Posts: 3,055	The pasty faces that your were seeing are often called "clay faces".

07-02-05, 06:16 PM	#16
broadwayblue DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Heart of the Heart Posts: 8,360	i actually went in on a powerbuy (avsforum through tvauthority) for one of these sets a couple years ago before cancelling my order just before it shipped. i still think they are great sets...but at about that time i wandered into the front projection forums over there (avsforum) and became quite intrigued. after all, these guys were telling me that i was crazy to spend thousands of dollars on such a small (50") television...when i could have my own movie theater sized screen for the same price. after waiting over a year more to move into my new place i finally pulled the trigger on a front projector...and i'm glad i waited. now i have 112" and i couldn't imagine going with anything less. sorry to ramble on...my answer would be "love the samsung DLP" but not for my main viewing. 50" is still a tv and lacks the cinematic feel.

07-03-05, 02:18 PM	#17
Mexican Menace Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 340	Ok so yesterday my local Best Buy had a 61" Samsung DLP display unit marked at $2999. I had the 15% off open-box TVs coupon from Best Buy dot com. It was either buy the TV or pay off my Best Buy card. I decided to be a good boy and pay off the card. When I mentioned this on another forum, someone mentioned that Sony had a DLP in the works that would ship at more affordable prices. Anyone news on that?

07-04-05, 11:35 PM	#18
Sloth911 DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Willow Grove, PA Posts: 3,055	Thanks for the advice and help. I finally pulled the trigger and bought an Infocus X1a. If you have any advive about front projection you can help me out over here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...51#post6198251

07-06-05, 07:44 PM	#19
Alan Smithee DVD Talk Reviewer Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: USA Posts: 3,657	Can the Samsungs automatically adjust between 4x3 (with black bars on the side) and 16x9 on DVDs, without having to manually change the settings? Since some DVDs have mixed content, I want one that can switch automatically- having to do it manually would drive me nuts.

07-07-05, 08:25 AM	#20
BigDave DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 6,223	I don't know of any TV that auto-adjusts between 4x3 and 16x9. Are there TVs that do that? __________________ Photos \| Gamertag: dave99ag \| Wii Code: 5730 2354 5554 2056

07-07-05, 04:15 PM	#22
Spiky DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 6,562	The source switches, not the TV. At least, my HD box does, if it is going from SD to HD. But that doesn't apply to DVD. Going from anamorphic DVD portions to NA portions is annoying and I haven't seen anything automatic, either. Jumping between the various resolutions and ARs of TV/commercials is REALLY annoying. __________________ Ignorance vs Bliss --Wizdar Last edited by Spiky; 07-07-05 at 04:18 PM.

07-12-05, 03:41 PM	#24
RockStrongo DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,582	I have a 61in Sammy HLP6163w DLP set. Love it. I have it connected to Dish network HD receiver (may switch to Direct TV soon) via DVI/optical....Momitsu V880DX Upconverting DVD player connected with DVI>HDMI cable and digital coax. I also have a modded xbox connected with component cables and optical. My receiver is a Harmon Kardon AVR430. __________________ Vurgood Apps My HD Disc Collection