Maybe we should all stop buying dvds...

kristoffer · 09-15-02, 06:39 AM

Cause they will all be released on Blue Ray eventually.
Okay Sony showed of a blue ray disc player of in Japan. You know how sony is, they will release the format no matter what the others companies does! The sony blue ray is incaserated in a shell this mean no fingerprints, dust or scratches ( teoratcally ) and the surfaces can be used to put cool pictures on. You can have 24 bit/ 96 Khz dts or something new and better on there. The players hook up digitally to your screen. That was the good things about it but, its not back compatible. But then again the dvd wasn't back compatible with the Laserdisc. All of our dvds will be obselte.
Cause who wants a inferior standard ??
All the classics will come out again...remastered!! And this will happen within five years!!!!I know for sure that I will be buying the originale Star Wars when it comes out on Blue Ray in 2006.
Acually dvds hasn't shown what they are completlly campable of yet, Digital transfer a la Star Wars EP 2 and digital picure connection Ilink which pioneer says will be on there players from next year...there is some pictures of the beast in this thread.
Thoughts, Kris

http://www.dvdfile.com/interactive/f...threadid=22411

Master J · 09-15-02, 12:10 PM

I would not expect 2006 for Blu-Ray or any hi-def format to become the standard, but probably another 5 years later. If the studios do not support Sony's format there will be no software for it to provide to end users anyway (aside from Columbia). For a major launch of DVD's replacement there still needs to be a significant number of televisiions that can benefit from the upgrade. At this point and even in 2006 I just do not see the installed base being there yet.

If this player takes hold it would mean everyone who has a HDTV now would have to buy a new one to obtain the proper hook up options. I am sure they will sell an adapter of some sort but it will probably downcovert the signal for current HDTV owners, which could pose another problem. For Hi-Def signals the studios are going to be even more touchy about piracy, so a new copy-protected connection is a reality not a possibility.

As for audio who needs DTS? DTS is nothing but a lossy compression scheme. With the amount of storage space available we should be able to have uncompressed audio streams ala DVD-A or SACD.

J

kristoffer · 09-15-02, 12:36 PM

Good answer, but what will actually happen with SACD will there be a new standard??

renaldow · 09-15-02, 01:11 PM

Why even bother with blu-ray? There's bound to be a better format after that, and probably a better one after that too.

Movie_Man · 09-16-02, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by kristoffer
teoratcally

Uh oh, is this another radiculos word?

milo bloom · 09-16-02, 03:48 PM

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

Regardless, five years from now is, well, five frikken years! In the few short years we've had DVD, I have been exposed to all kinds of films I never would have seen without DVD. And I doubt the jump in quality will be the same as it was from VHS to DVD. I don't see it taking off like DVD did.

namlook · 09-16-02, 04:08 PM

DVD's look really good. There isn't much farther to go with old films in a new format. You can only make an older film look so good. Now maybe new films will see a significant benefit, I don't know.

Mursilis · 09-16-02, 04:18 PM

I'm just going to wait for that machine which plugs directly into your brain.....

kristoffer · 09-16-02, 04:33 PM

yeah but don't you think the brain machine will only show Pan and scan? And no dts?

Freud · 09-17-02, 03:08 AM

I'll go one step further...and say that a proper anmorphic presentation on a high quality display looks BETTER than what I see in a movie theater. Yes...I know that 16mm film has tons of info and resolution that a DVD can't possibly have. But...every theater I visit (even new ones) have slightly blurry prints...with slightly washed out colors.

renaldow · 09-17-02, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by Freud
..every theater I visit (even new ones) have slightly blurry prints...with slightly washed out colors.

That's the problem with theaters right there, and why I don't go. If you see a film opening weekend, you're probably going to have a nice print. See one a few weeks later, it's going to be damaged film that will be starting to wash out, and possibly have scratches/nicks on it that the projectionist will try to hide by making it slightly blurry.

Not to mention that this crappy, hazy print is more than likely going to be shown on a dirty screen that has actual soda splashed on it!

Brian Shannon · 09-17-02, 10:26 AM

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Cause they will all be released on Blue Ray eventually

DVD's are very cheap for all of the material a person gets.

Eventually is a long time and I am not holding my breath or my wallet waiting for the next best thing.

There will always be another "best" thing.

joshd2012 · 09-17-02, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by namlook
DVD's look really good. There isn't much farther to go with old films in a new format. You can only make an older film look so good. Now maybe new films will see a significant benefit, I don't know.

Exactly. There is no point in replacing a bunch of films which are maxed out already on DVD. Only time will tell, but I really don't see myself replacing all my Monty Python DVDs just so I can say I have them on Blu-Ray, or whatever format is used in the future.

wildcatkid · 09-21-02, 04:21 PM

...Yeah but didn't we all say that about our VHS tapes? I never would have ended up with the collection of videos I have had I known they would become obsolete so quickly. I have spent thousands on CDs and VHS tapes that now clutter my closets.

TheMadMonk · 09-21-02, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by milo bloom
It's a perfectly cromulent word.

Regardless, five years from now is, well, five frikken years! In the few short years we've had DVD, I have been exposed to all kinds of films I never would have seen without DVD. And I doubt the jump in quality will be the same as it was from VHS to DVD. I don't see it taking off like DVD did.

You have embiggened this thread with your cromulent reply.

09-15-02, 06:39 AM	#1
kristoffer Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 109	Maybe we should all stop buying dvds... Cause they will all be released on Blue Ray eventually. Okay Sony showed of a blue ray disc player of in Japan. You know how sony is, they will release the format no matter what the others companies does! The sony blue ray is incaserated in a shell this mean no fingerprints, dust or scratches ( teoratcally ) and the surfaces can be used to put cool pictures on. You can have 24 bit/ 96 Khz dts or something new and better on there. The players hook up digitally to your screen. That was the good things about it but, its not back compatible. But then again the dvd wasn't back compatible with the Laserdisc. All of our dvds will be obselte. Cause who wants a inferior standard ?? All the classics will come out again...remastered!! And this will happen within five years!!!!I know for sure that I will be buying the originale Star Wars when it comes out on Blue Ray in 2006. Acually dvds hasn't shown what they are completlly campable of yet, Digital transfer a la Star Wars EP 2 and digital picure connection Ilink which pioneer says will be on there players from next year...there is some pictures of the beast in this thread. Thoughts, Kris http://www.dvdfile.com/interactive/f...threadid=22411

09-15-02, 12:10 PM	#2
Master J DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,443	I would not expect 2006 for Blu-Ray or any hi-def format to become the standard, but probably another 5 years later. If the studios do not support Sony's format there will be no software for it to provide to end users anyway (aside from Columbia). For a major launch of DVD's replacement there still needs to be a significant number of televisiions that can benefit from the upgrade. At this point and even in 2006 I just do not see the installed base being there yet. If this player takes hold it would mean everyone who has a HDTV now would have to buy a new one to obtain the proper hook up options. I am sure they will sell an adapter of some sort but it will probably downcovert the signal for current HDTV owners, which could pose another problem. For Hi-Def signals the studios are going to be even more touchy about piracy, so a new copy-protected connection is a reality not a possibility. As for audio who needs DTS? DTS is nothing but a lossy compression scheme. With the amount of storage space available we should be able to have uncompressed audio streams ala DVD-A or SACD. J __________________ He was mighty good with mustard. Disclaimer: I do not work for nor have any affiliation with any of the stores that may be mentioned in the preceding post.

09-15-02, 01:11 PM	#4
renaldow DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 8,323	Why even bother with blu-ray? There's bound to be a better format after that, and probably a better one after that too. __________________ The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes; everything else is theoretical. www.horrortalk.com

09-16-02, 03:48 PM	#6
milo bloom DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 7,669	It's a perfectly cromulent word. Regardless, five years from now is, well, five frikken years! In the few short years we've had DVD, I have been exposed to all kinds of films I never would have seen without DVD. And I doubt the jump in quality will be the same as it was from VHS to DVD. I don't see it taking off like DVD did. __________________ OAR (Original Aspect Ratio) is not about more image, or less image. It's about the right image. "...and a table made of cheese, and a chair made of cheese..."

09-15-02, 12:36 PM	#3
kristoffer Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 109	Good answer, but what will actually happen with SACD will there be a new standard??

09-16-02, 04:08 PM	#7
namlook DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,204	DVD's look really good. There isn't much farther to go with old films in a new format. You can only make an older film look so good. Now maybe new films will see a significant benefit, I don't know.

09-16-02, 04:18 PM	#8
Mursilis Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 69	I'm just going to wait for that machine which plugs directly into your brain.....

09-16-02, 04:33 PM	#9
kristoffer Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 109	yeah but don't you think the brain machine will only show Pan and scan? And no dts?

09-17-02, 03:08 AM	#10
Freud Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 68	I'll go one step further...and say that a proper anmorphic presentation on a high quality display looks BETTER than what I see in a movie theater. Yes...I know that 16mm film has tons of info and resolution that a DVD can't possibly have. But...every theater I visit (even new ones) have slightly blurry prints...with slightly washed out colors.

09-21-02, 04:21 PM	#14
wildcatkid Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 113	...Yeah but didn't we all say that about our VHS tapes? I never would have ended up with the collection of videos I have had I known they would become obsolete so quickly. I have spent thousands on CDs and VHS tapes that now clutter my closets.