kgrogers1979

Wasn't the super amnesia kiss something Lester did? I thought it was. The Donner Cut of the movie got rid of the kiss and replaced it with the spinning Earth reverse time thing. So both Superman I and the Donner Cut of Superman II have the same ending with Superman reversing time to fix things...


I haven't read much of the New 52 myself, but I was under the impression that Superman (under Morrison's Action Comics at least) was very close to the original concept of the character. Morrison restored the social crusader Superman of the 1930s/40s.

PhantomStranger

Because new characters from Marvel and DC don't sell at all.

The new hair partially resembles the design from Japanese collectibles company Kotobukiya for Superman.

The Valeyard

Yeah. Amnesia kiss was under Lester's watch. When focus shifted to hitting the first film's release date, Donner's team "borrowed" the SM2 ending and tacked it onto SM1 with expectations to come up with another ending for SM2 once they got back to work on it. But then Donner was fired and the whole story was shifted around to make it a Lester film.

Boom! Retcon Kiss!

Kinda sorta. At least the first few issues were. Then it got wrapped up in a complex, Morrison-esque story that needs to be read a couple of times to fully grasp.

DC did stick with Clark being the social crusader for awhile tho. He quit the Planet and started his own blog to talk about social injustice and whatnot.

fujishig

Yeah, I meant it was originally Donner's idea to use that as the ending for II instead of I, and Lester took over and the kiss became the resolution, sorry for the confusion.

Josh-da-man

Yeah, the "kiss" was stupid, but nowhere near as stupid as turning the world backwards to turn back time.

I frankly hated that when I saw it as a kid, and I hate it even more now.

It also bothered that Superman never bothered to do anything about the other missile, and just saved Lois.

The Valeyard

Well, the other missile went into space. In the Donner Superman II cut, it's the missile that unleashes Zod and his crew from the Phantom Zone. It was supposed to be a plot point but again, that all got thrown out with Donner.

kgrogers1979

In addition to the haircut, Superman and Wonder Woman are getting new costumes too.











I know Superman had that t-shirt and jeans look back during Morrison's run since that was an origin story before he got the "real" Superman costume, but I wonder why the t-shirt and jeans are coming back.

The Bat-Bunny armor looks stupider every time I see it. It's freaking enormous too. I didn't know it was supposed to be that big until I saw that last pic. Are they trying to copy the Hulkbuster armor or something? Is this supposed to be Supermanbuster armor or something?

This whole thing reminds me of the 90s when everyone was getting radical new costumes. We know how long that crap lasted... DC and Marvel never learn their lessons.

Undeadcow

Maybe it's too early to tell but is the hint that at least with Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman the biggest result of Convergence is a new costume? Maybe the solicitations are just guarded/limited and Wonder Woman does mention a "daring new direction."

I hate the new anime hulk robo-Batman look...

The Valeyard

Hurm.

fujishig

I thought Convergence was supposed to result in the continuing new 52, plus another continuity (the old one?) Or did I dream that up?

That looks like pre-Flashpoint Superboy all grown up. Are we sure that's even Kal? I'll say this for them, they're definitely not changing costumes for the sake of making it easier to make live action movies.

Hokeyboy

Now I don't know about you but this SCREAMS "World's Greatest Superhero" to me!

Josh-da-man

Short-haired Superman looks like a dick.

And Wonder Woman has faux Wolverine claws.

That Batsuit looks like it came from a Donnie Darko anime.

Sonic

Wow those costumes are beyond douchery!

kodave

Mecha-Bat has police lights, for whatever that is worth.

Jim Patterson

PhantomStranger

That was my same reaction.

Wonder Woman gets the most sensible new costume, I believe this is one of the designs possibly tested by Hollywood. It's no secret that DC and Warner want to strip the American motifs and any remnants that smack of being a swimsuit out of her costume, for the mass female and global audience. They want to "transition" her brand into a global property and away from the character's roots.

The Superman and Batman costumes are so ridiculous that virtually everyone must realize they won't last more than a few issues. As a DC purist I would still prefer a more traditional WW costume but I realize they don't care anymore about older fans. That one could hang around a while.

stingermck

As a long time comic book fan, I don't care one way or another. Comics change like the wind.

kgrogers1979

Ha. I didn't even notice the red and blue police lights on his chest until you mentioned it. That's hilarious. A vigilante with police lights...

He also has a rocket launcher on his shoulder. There was a previous pic (below) that showed him with a gun. (I also just noticed the police lights in that pic too.)

The gun and rocket launcher make me think this might not be Bruce Wayne. Snyder said this new armor is supposed to be the new status quo following his current EndGame storyarc, so I wonder if Bruce is going to "die" and be replaced by a Jean Paul Valley type of character once again. However, Snyder also said that this new status quo is something that has never been done before in Batman's 75 year history, so I don't know. Maybe it's Joker in the armor. Or Bugs Bunny since it has rabbit ears.

rocket1312

I feel the same way. I actually kind of like the Wonder Woman costume (minus the silly blades) and we all know that whatever that Batman thing is isn't actually Batman, or at the very least isn't going to permanently replace what we think of as Batman. The Superman outfit is dumb, but you know it won't last and, let's be honest, despite being DC's flagship property, Superman is a tough sell. When was the last time Superman comics mattered on any sort of industry-wide level? The early 90's? I'm surprised they don't try more crazy crap with him.

The Valeyard

Superman had a few books sell out since the glory Doomsday days but nothing even close to those numbers. So yeah, he hasn't really mattered since then. It's something even DC realizes (see the Infinite Crisis conversation between Batman and Superman - "The last time you inspired anyone was when you died."). They're going through all the channels to make Superman "relevant" again. Taking more risks that older fanboys really really hate which spawns the age-old argument "If you wanted the "classic" Superman, you should have bought more books."

Even when "superstar" talent takes on the character, it's barely a blip in sales. Johns, Romita Jr, Waid, JMS, Morrison, Robinson. They've all had a hand with the character and sales only notch up a tiny bit. Tho to me, it felt like Johns recent arc was phoned in.

fujishig

Actually, I think the WW costume looks overly complicated, at least in Finch's rendering (I've never been a big fan). I think mainly it's the stars on her side, the loin cloth, and the gigantic boots, because the other picture of her with supes from the waist up looks fine to me.

If that is Kal, is Clark going into hiding, or going to wear a wig or something?

PhantomStranger

It's rumored that DC and by extension WB heavily control what a comic book writer may do with Superman in the comics. I've heard of committees deciding these things, which is why big-name writers will come on board and then leave after a short period. He's a corporate-managed brand by this point.

The real problem with radically changing Superman as a character is that it affects the rest of the DC line in a way no other character could, including Batman. DC has been pretty good about compartmentalizing what goes on in Gotham away from the rest of the DC universe. It's far harder to do with the world's most famous superhero.

fujishig

What committee greenlit World of Krypton? Or the "walking the Earth" JMS run?

stingermck

Flash and Arrow get the costume tweak also

kgrogers1979

I call it "Forrest Gump" Superman.


Those don't look bad. I wonder if Aquaman will get a costume more similar to the Jason Momoa Aquaman that was recently revealed.