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Old 03-03-17, 02:10 PM   #1
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Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

The site states Made On Demand; but that hasn't always been true. With so little research on burned br longevity; I'm very hesitant to go there; & as I don't yet have a blu-ray in my pc, I can't back up the film.
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Old 03-03-17, 02:11 PM   #2
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

Manufactured on Demand is a separate issue than Burned/Pressed

All WAC MOD Blurays are pressed just like regular production Blurays. The DVD seem to be a mixture of pressed and burned even with the same title

As far as I'm aware Sony's new Choice line is the only MAJOR studio line of BD-R
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Old 03-03-17, 09:53 PM   #3
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

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Old 03-05-17, 11:29 AM   #4
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

They've done a great job confusing their brand and what MOD is or isn't or what WAC is or isn't. At first I was heart broken when the Bowery Boys were first announced as Warner Archives since I have no interest in burned discs. Then I found out the first run of each set was pressed and got them. I almost didn't get some of the recent blurays because I wasn't sure if they were burned or not. It'd be great if they could call the pressed releases something else.
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Old 03-05-17, 03:28 PM   #5
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

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Old 03-06-17, 12:49 PM   #6
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

For burned discs isn't the wording that says DVD or Blu Ray just plain text instead of the logo used for pressed discs?
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Old 03-06-17, 01:13 PM   #7
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

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For burned discs isn't the wording that says DVD or Blu Ray just plain text instead of the logo used for pressed discs?
The Sony Choice discs have a different logo. I'm not sure the few other companies that produce BD-R are that specific, but there only seems to be a few of those. The 20-30 I can find quickly at Bluray.com seem to come in normal BD cases with the usually logos on the case top margin. Without knowing I couldn't pick them out even looking at the back covers which might be an issue for those that use game consoles to play discs since I don't think those read BDR.

I don't pay a lot of attention the DVD-R items, but from just looking at WAC items I can't tell a difference just on the sales pages and cover scans
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Old 03-06-17, 01:36 PM   #8
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

More and more niche labels are putting their Blu-ray releases out as BD-R like The Film Detective. If you don't think a movie can move 1000 units, the economics work better for BD-R.
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Old 03-06-17, 06:25 PM   #9
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

Dick Van Dyke Show Now in Living Color seems to have plain text for it's BDr per the picture on TV Shows on DVD

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Dic...ng-Color/23055
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Old 03-06-17, 06:53 PM   #10
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Interesting, I guess if Sony starts it at least some others will follow. It also makes some of the CBS/Sony rumors a bit more interesting assuming that's not just a mockup photo

OTOH $25 for a single 45 minute episode on a BD-R is somewhat absurd. Might as well be BD-R since they can probably print them one-by-one on the president home computer during a lunch break, still have time for lunch, print the mailing label, pack it, write a handwritten thankyou note, and have it shipped by the start of the 1pm meeting
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Old 03-06-17, 08:12 PM   #11
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

Are there any legitimate studies showing longevity & scratch resistance on brrs?

In the rare occasion I buy a dvdr or cdr I immediately back it up (for one thing the big co's tend to use garbage blank media). I don't have a blu ray in any of my pc's so right now that isn't an option.
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Old 03-06-17, 08:26 PM   #12
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I don't know of any legit independent studies on longevity and related specifically professional/commercial burned vs home burn disc. The reports I have seen leave a lot to be desired as far as reliable methodology. Comparing one study to another across various media is virtually impossible.
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

I have homemade CD-Rs from the late 90s that still work without any problems. Of course I was obsessed with buying the best media possible and doing everything possible to mimimize errors when burning them.

I wonder if BD-Rs ever became a widespread enough technology for all the production kinks to have been worked out. CDs and DVDs were likely burned in the hundreds of millions, so the tech was bulletproof. By the time BD-R came around, large data storage had already moved to the cloud.
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Old 03-07-17, 10:35 AM   #14
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

All of my old cdrs still work. The DVDRs are a crapshoot though. Some have failed and yet look brand new.
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Old 03-07-17, 12:27 PM   #15
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

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They've done a great job confusing their brand and what MOD is or isn't or what WAC is or isn't.
Ditto. I assume some companies (and some merchants?) call everything "MOD" because they can't be bothered to police their inventory. Better to cast the largest possible net.

I kept hoping the FTC would step in and force mandatory labeling and/or separate bar codes. I believe WB, Sony, and TCM were the only labels playing the is-it-pressed game, and in particular, visited Sony's web site on a few occasions, rolled my eyes and moved on. They would have gotten a couple purchases had I known that pressed media was actually available. Once it goes DVD-R (and at the same price), they lose any chance.

Back to the BD-R question, there are two different types of media, HTL and LTH, which concern whether disk reflectivity is modified from high to low or the other way around during the burn process. HTL is the original BD-R media and uses inert materials, while the LTH process uses organic dyes like all other previous burned media. A study by Archives of France showed that HTL media is the better choice, but that may still not be saying much. LTH media was initially cheaper...not so much anymore...but is still sold. Panasonic HTL media (with a MEIT02 media code) is considered the best around. See sites like https://forums.anandtech.com/threads...l-use.2310236/ for more info.
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Old 03-07-17, 05:04 PM   #16
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I have homemade CD-Rs from the late 90s that still work without any problems. Of course I was obsessed with buying the best media possible and doing everything possible to mimimize errors when burning them.

I wonder if BD-Rs ever became a widespread enough technology for all the production kinks to have been worked out. CDs and DVDs were likely burned in the hundreds of millions, so the tech was bulletproof. By the time BD-R came around, large data storage had already moved to the cloud.
As a test, I left a cd-r outside for a year in the snow, rain and mud. Brought in in, washed it off under faucet, played fine.

The secret with dvd-r is QUALITY media, QUALITY burning software, QUALITY burner, and QUALITY player. I've burned a few thousand dvd-rs going back to 2001 and never had one go bad. Any MOD I buy I back up because I don't know how it was made and don't trust it.
Only problem I ever had was a burner that didn't adjust to max capacity of the media. It was set to 16x, but the media was 8x. I would get successful burns but they would freeze during playback. I reset the burner to 8x and problem solved.

A very important factor with dvd-r is humidity. If you live in a humid area, and don't have A/C, there's a risk they will go bad. They cannot get wet, dye will run.
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Re: Are Currentl Production WAC Blu-ray's Burned or Pressed?

I never had problems with DVD-Rs, though my oldest ones only go back about eleven years.
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Old 03-07-17, 11:36 PM   #18
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I have homemade CD-Rs from the late 90s that still work without any problems. Of course I was obsessed with buying the best media possible and doing everything possible to mimimize errors when burning them.

I wonder if BD-Rs ever became a widespread enough technology for all the production kinks to have been worked out. CDs and DVDs were likely burned in the hundreds of millions, so the tech was bulletproof. By the time BD-R came around, large data storage had already moved to the cloud.
In the last 2 years, both cdr & dvdr quality has gone WAY down in my experience. The last decent ones left were TY until CMC bought them. My experiences with the CMC TY's has not been good.

I am very picky because before I knew better I had lots of store brand (Office Depot, etc) & brand name (Maxell, TDK, etc) blanks go bad quite quickly. Today I do a software disc quality scan on every disc I burn.
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Old 03-07-17, 11:37 PM   #19
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The secret with dvd-r is QUALITY media, QUALITY burning software, QUALITY burner, and QUALITY player.
Yep. My concern, is there aren't many (if any) quality blanks being made today. I stocked up big time on the JVC TY dvdr's right when the sale was happening.
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Yep. My concern, is there aren't many (if any) quality blanks being made today. I stocked up big time on the JVC TY dvdr's right when the sale was happening.
You have to be philosophical about it.

1. If something is OOP. Don't copy and sell original if worried about the media.
2. If something is readily available, it's out there if media fails.
3. If something has never been released, you have nothing to lose by recording it.
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