dex14

Renewed for Season Four.

candyrocket786

Wow. Didn't see that coming.

Red Hood

I wish this would have been the start of Crisis and not a Barry hiatus.

candyrocket786

I'm wondering if they're going to pull

randian

I pray Wally isn't the main lead.

Deftones

This is the second time they mentioned DeVoe, so I assume The Thinker will be the big bad next season.

Xiroteus

Time travel is so odd on this show. Now Savitar was never created so ...... everyone still remembers him just like Reverse Flash. Still entertaining

candyrocket786

...and Wally still has his speed.

hdnmickey

Best just not to think about it all given the show runners clearly didn't give it much thought.

Personally I'm just glad Gypsy did indeed make an appearance and that version of Wells is history. The more of her and Cisco the better, and there appears to be hope that Earth 2 Wells will stick around.

I can imagine them starting the next season with episodes that in chronicle Barry's time in the speed force at the same time as the rest of the cast fight villains. Could be good given how many people gave a thumbs up to Barry's time with his parents and other emotional plots in the past.

jwb0323

How does Tracy know what HR really looks like?

hdnmickey

Huh?

randian

I'm not sure what you mean. I doubt the producers keep her around for next year.

jwb0323

The fact that I thought HR had to always use that face changing device to go out in public so people wouldn't think he was the other Harrison wells? He made himself look like his partner. Did that suddenly change that he didn't have to do that?

Kdogg

No, you are right that it didn't change. Just chalk it up to another continuity error.

Why does Barry get to to go to Speed force heaven while Gay and Wally are sent to hell? And before Savitar who had in Speedforce prison because he would have had to take some one else's place. Also Black Flash destroyed by cold? Really?

hdnmickey

Again, huh? He originally came over from another Earth, looking exactly what he looked like day to day (essentially just like very other version of Harrison Wells). Tracy originally met that guy looking the way he does. He only used the device to look like Iris once he came up with that plan to save her, and potentially sacrifice himself. Once some viewers figured out that HR was Iris, there was still always the chance that they would end up saving Iris (Wells) and everybody survived the episode.

Eric F

Great episode. Like everyone else says I just set aside the time traveling stuff and roll with it.

Even though Savitar never existed I just chalk up everything he did (like Wally getting his speed) still happened because he was an instrument of the Speed Force. Yes, paradox.

TGM

I can't believe I am admitting this, but I actually grew to like HR.

jwb0323

You are forgetting earlier in the season the plot point of HR going out in public and having himself look like someone else to be able to do that. If he looked like Wells, he would be arrested. It was assumed that's how he would look to everyone else other than team flash.

Deftones

Same.

Red Hood

Just like Barry, the writers of this show need to stop doing time travel as they fuck it up storyline wise as Flash does. If Savitar/Emo Barry was taken out of the timeline then things would have changed for everyone including Wally getting his speed, Caitlyn being tempted to become Killer Frost, Draco Malfoy not becoming Alchemy and HR not dying.

By the way, if the Speed Force needs a speedster there all the time, who was living in there before Savitar/Flashpoint? The rules of the Speed Force are becoming more complicated as the seasons go by.

Hokeyboy

The Speed Force doesn't necessarily "need" a speedster. One was imprisoned there and the Speed Force accommodated itself for that influx of energy. It therefore needed to be replaced. OR you could argue that Savitar was "always" there, since time is not linear.

Or you could just smile and go along with it. Time Travel has no hard and fast rules, since it doesn't quite exist. That we know of, anyhow.
I think that was a beautiful piece of character arc'ing by the writing staff. I couldn't stand him when first introduced, and by the end I was actually pretty sad. Great performance and writing all around for him.

Xiroteus

Yet Barry having altered memories took away his speed though not when removed from existing.

They are having trouble following their own rules.

Even though I like time travel I'm wondering if something happens where they can't really do it as much or very limited.

hdnmickey

But Tracy was dealing with him as part of team Flash. I don't think I'm forgetting anything.

PhantomStranger

I'm burnt out on Flash traveling through time. This show doesn't have a great handle on the concept and everything with it on Flash feels made up on the fly, so I wish they would drop it for now.

Flash is still the best DC tv show but they dragged out Savitar's arc more than necessary. He's a character that shouldn't have taken up more than half the season, max.

Most are guessing Wally will be the Flash for an episode or two next year. I doubt Barry is gone for long, the show doesn't really work without him.

I like what they've done with Killer Frost. They didn't automatically put her back on Team Flash and this new iteration feels like a combination of Frost and Caitlyn. Julian was fine for a season but he's an unnecessary character at this point.

I won't miss HR. I didn't mind the character but there was only so much that could be done with his personality on Team Flash. I'd like the return of a smarter Harrison Wells.

Flatlander

Let me preface this with anytime you get into time travel discussions it never ends well but to come to terms with Wally still having his powers is that all these events already happened so even though Savitar was destroyed, the previous actions did happen. That is as far as I will analyze.