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Trevor
02-19-15, 10:40 AM
4th Annual DVDTalk Action/Adventure/Crime/Mystery Challenge Discussion Thread


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Dates: Sunset on February 28th to sunrise on April 1st.

We have one at least slightly overlapping Challenge this year, so plan those days accordingly if you wish "double credit". What you watch from dusk on March 30th to dawn on April 1st could also count for the annual April B-Movie/Exploitation Challenge.

Rules: Sorta like all the other Challenges but as lenient as you can imagine. Everything counts as one: film, TV episode, short, trailer, DVD featurette, etc. Unofficial goal of hitting 100, but don't ignore real life to hit it. Everyone who shows up in either thread is an equal "winner". Anything listed on IMDB with a genre of action, adventure, crime, or mystery (or anything that even vaguely could be argued as should be listed as such) counts.

----->LIST THREAD LINK (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/625226-4th-annual-dvdtalk-action-adventure-crime-mystery-challenge.html)<-----

Checklist is still briefly open for discussion, and will be in post #3 for easier editing and cut and pasting.

Prizes: None this year!

This is the discussion thread. Discuss.

Trevor
02-19-15, 10:41 AM
Reserved for future additions

Trevor
02-19-15, 10:41 AM
Reserved for checklist

pending Official Checklist (thanks to everyone for your tweaks)

Watch items from at least 7 of the 13 decades of film history.
--- 1880 - (insert item title here)
--- 1890 -
--- 1900 -
--- 1910 -
--- 1920 -
--- 1930 -
--- 1940 -
--- 1950 -
--- 1960 -
--- 1970 -
--- 1980 -
--- 1990 -
--- 2000 -
--- 2010 -

Watch items on at least 3 different formats (DVD, BD, HD-DVD, VHS, TV, streaming, theatrical, LD, live, etc.)
--- Format 1 - (insert item title here)
--- Format 2 -
--- Format 3 -

Watch items originating from at least 3 different countries outside of your own.
--- Country 1 - (insert item title here)
--- Country 2 -
--- Country 3 -
n/a my country -

Watch items with at least 6 different ratings.
--- Pre Codes - (insert item title here)
--- Hays approved -
--- Hays unapproved -
--- G -
--- GP -
--- PG -
--- PG-13 -
--- M -
--- R -
--- X -
--- NC-17 -
--- Unrated Post-codes -
--- TV Y -
--- TV Y7 -
--- TV G -
--- TV PG -
--- TV 14 -
--- TV MA -

Watch an item from at least 7 of the following subgenres.
--- Film Noir - (insert item title here)
--- Mystery
--- Urban cop thriller
--- Modern Caper/heist
--- Depression-era crime (Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde, etc.)
--- Globe-trotting adventure (Americans overseas)
--- Treasure hunt adventure
--- Swordplay
--- Jungle movie (including Tarzan)
--- Hong Kong crime
--- Japanese Yakuza
--- Italian Crime
--- Conspiracy thriller
--- Spy/Espionage
--- Serial Killer
--- Space
--- War
--- Robots
--- Vigilante

Watch an item by at least five of these directors.
--- Raoul Walsh - (insert item title here)
--- Howard Hawks
--- John Ford
--- Anthony Mann
--- Don Siegel
--- Robert Aldrich
--- Sam Fuller
--- John Sturges
--- Jean-Pierre Melville
--- Akira Kurosawa
--- Kinji Fukasaku
--- Chang Cheh
--- Sammo Hung
--- Takeshi Kitano
--- John Woo
--- Walter Hill
--- Quentin Tarantino
--- John McTiernan
--- James Cameron
--- John Frankenheimer
--- Siergo Leone
--- Wong Jing
--- Yuen Chor
--- Sam Peckinpah
--- Robert Rodriguez
--- Alfred Hitchcock

Watch an item from at least five of these stars.
--- Errol Flynn - (insert item title here)
--- John Wayne
--- Cynthia Rothrock
--- Claudia Cardinale
--- Humphrey Bogart
--- Burt Lancaster
--- Kirk Douglas
--- Steve McQueen
--- Charles Bronson
--- James Coburn
--- Toshiro Mifune
--- Clint Eastwood
--- Chuck Norris
--- Bruce Lee
--- Jackie Chan
--- Sammo Hung
--- Steven Seagal
--- Henry Silva
--- Jean-Claude Van Damme 
--- Jason Statham
--- Bruce Willis
--- Sonny Chiba
--- Arnold Schwarzenegger
--- Sylvester Stallone
--- Samuel Jackson
--- Milla Jovovich
--- Harrison Ford
--- Denzel Washington
--- Jet Li
--- Michelle Rodriguez
--- Pam Grier
--- Jimmy Wang Yu
--- Tom Cruise

Complete at least seven of these categories.
--- a Bond film or spoof - (insert item title here)
--- MST3K or similar riff -
--- won an Academy Award -- any category -
--- won a Razzie -- any category -
--- silent film -
--- a crime or mystery item -
--- a film and it's sequel -
--- a film and it's remake (examples (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/12018897-post17.html))
--- an item with a commentary or riff
--- a special feature -
--- something animated -
--- a trailer -
--- watch a sentai or tokusatsu item -
--- something with a major holiday theme -
--- a Criterion release -
--- (insert own category, be humorous) -

Cardsfan111
02-19-15, 10:44 AM
Nicely done, Trevor.

This challenge has been a good "catch-all" for things in my unwatched pile that don't qualify for anything else.

shadokitty
02-19-15, 10:49 AM
I've got a lot of action I can watch. And good job about no prizes. Makes things simpler.

Trevor
02-19-15, 10:56 AM
Yeah, I so screwed the pooch on prizes the last two years that I'm done with prizes for now. I still hope to eventually re-do the results threads for those two years and deliver some prizes, if only for my OCD.

davidh777
02-19-15, 11:02 AM
:up: This is always a good time to rewatch Game of Thrones and catch up on summer blockbusters from the previous year. Plus noir, mysteries, etc.

So the other thread is the list thread? Not titled as such so I was a bit confused.

Trevor
02-19-15, 11:13 AM
Yeah, asking a mod to fix my titles for me now.

Dimension X
02-19-15, 11:29 AM
Nicely done, Trevor.

This challenge has been a good "catch-all" for things in my unwatched pile that don't qualify for anything else.
So we don't need the May Challenge anymore? :(

Cardsfan111
02-19-15, 11:37 AM
So we don't need the May Challenge anymore? :(

I take it back! ;)

I love the May challenge. I should have been more selective in my wording--this one includes the genres that don't necessarily fit anywhere else.

I try to use the "Make-Your-Own" challenge each year to creatively link things together that may include all kinds of genres and formats.

shadokitty
02-19-15, 11:38 AM
So we don't need the May Challenge anymore? :(

I still love the May Challenge.

shadokitty
02-19-15, 11:39 AM
What about documentaries? Last night, I bought a couple DC Comics documentaries on Amazon Video.

Trevor
02-19-15, 12:01 PM
What about documentaries? Last night, I bought a couple DC Comics documentaries on Amazon Video.
Documentaries on action adventure things? Of course!

But only if you link those docs so I can see/buy them too.

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 12:15 PM
Like many of these I have *lots* of content in the unwatched piles. Just added several the past few weeks - Vikings S2, The Three Musketeers S1, Murder She Wrote the entire series, Game of Thrones S4, the last few seasons of Monk, and more... And that's just the TVonDVD stuff... yeah... I'm ready to go! :)

Ash Ketchum
02-19-15, 12:21 PM
You mean I can watch everything I didn't finish during the TV on DVD Challenge?!
Power Rangers, Wanted Dead or Alive, Naked City, Untouchables, Ironside, Hawaii 5-0, Lone Wolf and Cub, Zatoichi, Mazinger Z, Patlabor, Cutie Honey, Rurouni Kenshin, etc., etc., etc. :D

Hey, I can even continue "Rose of Versailles," a Japanese historical anime about Marie Antoinette. It's got crime (the Affair of the Necklace), mystery (who is trying to discredit Marie Antoinette?) and adventure (the various sword fights Lady Oscar has trying to protect the queen).

Dimension X
02-19-15, 12:48 PM
I take it back! ;)

I love the May challenge. I should have been more selective in my wording--this one includes the genres that don't necessarily fit anywhere else.

I try to use the "Make-Your-Own" challenge each year to creatively link things together that may include all kinds of genres and formats.
A year or so back, I really was wondering if we still needed it since we pretty much have everything covered with all the other challenges. I figured I'd keep hosting it as long as people keep participating. :shrug:

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 01:09 PM
You mean I can watch everything I didn't finish during the TV on DVD Challenge?!
Power Rangers, Wanted Dead or Alive, Naked City, Untouchables, Ironside, Hawaii 5-0, Lone Wolf and Cub, Zatoichi, Mazinger Z, Patlabor, Cutie Honey, Rurouni Kenshin, etc., etc., etc. :D

Hey, I can even continue "Rose of Versailles," a Japanese historical anime about Marie Antoinette. It's got crime (the Affair of the Necklace), mystery (who is trying to discredit Marie Antoinette?) and adventure (the various sword fights Lady Oscar has trying to protect the queen).
As long as it fits the theme. While I have tons of movies that qualify I'll probably watch more TVonDVD as it's just easier to get in lots of viewings although it's harder to count. :D

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 01:12 PM
A year or so back, I really was wondering if we still needed it since we pretty much have everything covered with all the other challenges. I figured I'd keep hosting it as long as people keep participating. :shrug:
I like it for the ability to even more narrowly focus or combine genres. The first year I did Serials which cross several different genres, although I'm pretty sure almost all of them would qualify for this one. But then most of what I watch fits one challenge or another.

Trevor
02-19-15, 01:30 PM
A year or so back, I really was wondering if we still needed it since we pretty much have everything covered with all the other challenges. I figured I'd keep hosting it as long as people keep participating. :shrug:
May is the best Challenge outside of October by far. I <s>photoshopped</s> have your signature on a lifetime hosting contract.

Cardsfan111
02-19-15, 01:39 PM
A year or so back, I really was wondering if we still needed it since we pretty much have everything covered with all the other challenges. I figured I'd keep hosting it as long as people keep participating. :shrug:

I'm not joking when I say I have my themes picked out for the next 3 years. :D

Dimension X
02-19-15, 01:59 PM
I like it for the ability to even more narrowly focus or combine genres. The first year I did Serials which cross several different genres, although I'm pretty sure almost all of them would qualify for this one. But then most of what I watch fits one challenge or another.
I have lots of serials I'd like to watch, but I get burnt out on them quickly. Maybe I should try and squeeze one complete serial into each challenge...
May is the best Challenge outside of October by far. I <s>photoshopped</s> have your signature on a lifetime hosting contract.
It's my third favorite, after October and April.
I'm not joking when I say I have my themes picked out for the next 3 years. :D
I've had this year's theme ready since last year, but that's about as far out as I'm likely to plan anything.

So, how 'bout that Action/Adventure/Crime/Mystery Challenge? I'm gonna try to watch the Godfather Trilogy since it looks like I won't get to any of it this month, and I have a bunch of 3D movies I've picked up during the last few months that'll fit the themes (if I don't decide to save most of them for the Sci-Fi Challenge).

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 03:41 PM
I have lots of serials I'd like to watch, but I get burnt out on them quickly. Maybe I should try and squeeze one complete serial into each challenge...
That would actually be a very good solution. Watch a chapter and then a movie/TV episode. That keeps the nature of the product more intact. I may do that this time as I have quite a few in the unwatched pile.

shadokitty
02-19-15, 04:10 PM
Since it falls under this genre I thought I'd share a couple bites of info I found out last night while watching my Superman doc. First, I never knew that Noel Neill really was the first Lois, as she was in the serials. I also never knew George Reeves died under such mysterious circumstances.

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 04:30 PM
Since it falls under this genre I thought I'd share a couple bites of info I found out last night while watching my Superman doc. First, I never knew that Noel Neill really was the first Lois, as she was in the serials. I also never knew George Reeves died under such mysterious circumstances.
She's my favorite Lois. Since you mention that fact I'm guessing you don't own the Superman serials. You should remedy that, especially if you're a fan of the character. They are very well done. Both were produced for Columbia by Sam Katzman (yes, *that* Sam Katzman), and directed by Spencer Gordon Bennet (who directed over 100 serials during his career including Captain Video: Master of the Stratosphere, Batman and Robin, Zorro's Black Whip, and The Green Archer to name a few - they all count here too).

coyoteblue
02-19-15, 05:03 PM
I've got a bunch of HK/Taiwan martial arts movies, mostly from the 70's, I'd like to make a dent in. I have enough that I can continue watching into the exploitation challenge (assuming that's no all I watch).

Also I've been holding off on cracking my Margaret Rutherford Miss Marple box, but that wait is nearly over. I've got some Charlie Chan and Mister Moto movies I haven't seen yet on the roster as well.

Beyond those I've received my Danger 5 series 2 dvd ('...This time it's personal), so I'm gonna rip through that. It's only six or seven episodes, so it'll be easy. I've already seen the first four eps, but the stream from SBS while watchable, is sadly lacking in picture quality, so revisiting the first four episodes will allow me to pick up anything I missed on the first go-round.

I'll probably squeeze in some more anime too; push forward with 'The Irregular at Magic High School', watch the Apple Seed Alpha movie I just picked up and anything else that shows up on my radar.

Oh yea, definitely have to watch at least a couple Edgar Wallace Krimis, as well.

malazar
02-19-15, 06:43 PM
I am looking forward to hopefully being back to my normal routine for this challenge after these last two have been sketchy getting stuff in. Thanks for hosting it again, Trevor!

ntnon
02-19-15, 06:48 PM
She's my favorite Lois. Since you mention that fact I'm guessing you don't own the Superman serials. You should remedy that, especially if you're a fan of the character. They are very well done. Both were produced for Columbia by Sam Katzman (yes, *that* Sam Katzman), and directed by Spencer Gordon Bennet (who directed over 100 serials during his career including Captain Video: Master of the Stratosphere, Batman and Robin, Zorro's Black Whip, and The Green Archer to name a few - they all count here too).

Also - I think this is right - the Superman of the serials, Kirk Alyn, is in the extended cut of Superman: The Movie as Sam Lane. Or, at least, young-Lois' Dad on the train. :)

shadokitty
02-19-15, 06:55 PM
I finished the documentary, and they did a nice piece on how Christopher Reeve showed how a normal person can be a super hero with his tireless crusade for the paralyzed people of the world after his accident.

Now I'm in the mood for DC shows, so just finished an ep of Justice League S2 on Netflix.

Ash Ketchum
02-19-15, 07:11 PM
I've got a bunch of HK/Taiwan martial arts movies, mostly from the 70's, I'd like to make a dent in.

Can't wait to see your view post.

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 08:06 PM
Also - I think this is right - the Superman of the serials, Kirk Alyn, is in the extended cut of Superman: The Movie as Sam Lane. Or, at least, young-Lois' Dad on the train. :)
You're correct on the first one - he's General Sam Lane in a uncredited role.

BobO'Link
02-19-15, 08:10 PM
Also I've been holding off on cracking my Margaret Rutherford Miss Marple box, but that wait is nearly over. I've got some Charlie Chan and Mister Moto movies I haven't seen yet on the roster as well.
I really enjoy the Rutherford Marple films. And thanks for the reminder! I, too, have some Chan and Moto movies I've not yet cracked open, although I've seen 'em all over the years. I like all of those as well, even the "lesser" Chan films are vastly entertaining IMHO.

Dimension X
02-20-15, 02:39 AM
That would actually be a very good solution. Watch a chapter and then a movie/TV episode. That keeps the nature of the product more intact. I may do that this time as I have quite a few in the unwatched pile.
I've watched serials during previous challenges, and I think that's what I did; watch two or three episodes, then watch something else, and spread one or two serials out over the month. I'm going to try that this time. I just have to decide what I want to watch. I might just grab one (sort of) at random.
I really enjoy the Rutherford Marple films. And thanks for the reminder! I, too, have some Chan and Moto movies I've not yet cracked open, although I've seen 'em all over the years. I like all of those as well, even the "lesser" Chan films are vastly entertaining IMHO.
I still have my Chan films unopened. I'll try and remember to get one of the box sets out of my DVD closet and put it in the HT or the living room. Maybe I'll get around to watching some of them (or, as I've done during other challenges with other unopened box sets, I'll put it back into the closet, unopened, sometime later in the year).

sleepyhead55
02-20-15, 02:51 AM
I'm looking to watch more movies for this year's challenge. And to beat last years total of 43 which included a lot of TV Shows. I love these challenges since it helps me watch some of the backlog that I have piling up.

shadokitty
02-20-15, 10:42 AM
I have a question about a tv show. I know it is historically based, as that's why I don't know, but how about the History Channel show Dogfights? I would think being all about air battles, it would be action oriented, but I wanted to make sure.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
02-20-15, 10:50 AM
I'm going to continue watching Dark Shadows and break up each disc with a movie. I think I just passed episode 500 this week.

shadokitty
02-20-15, 11:19 AM
I'm going to continue watching Dark Shadows and break up each disc with a movie. I think I just passed episode 500 this week.

Is Dark Shadows action, or mystery? I'm curious as I still have my 90s revival to watch.

BobO'Link
02-20-15, 11:41 AM
^IMDB shows the 60s original is " Drama | Fantasy | Horror | Mystery | Romance | Sci-Fi | Thriller" and the 90s revival is "Drama | Horror | Romance | Thriller." Unless they made major changes you'd think the revival series would have the same genre tags as the original.

shadokitty
02-20-15, 11:44 AM
^IMDB shows the 60s original is " Drama | Fantasy | Horror | Mystery | Romance | Sci-Fi | Thriller" and the 90s revival is "Drama | Horror | Romance | Thriller." Unless they made major changes you'd think the revival series would have the same genre tags as the original.

I remember there being mystery in the show, from the episodes I have watched. After all, no one knows who is killing the townspeople.

BobO'Link
02-20-15, 11:53 AM
^Stuff like that is exactly why I take IMDB listings with somewhat a grain of salt. There've been several times I've watched something for a challenge that fit but IMDB indicated otherwise. Of course there's always allmovie.com but they, too, aren't necessarily 100%. That's why I tend to use my gut feelings if there's conflict or something's just missing - like the 90s version genres vs. what you remember being in the program.

Dimension X
02-20-15, 01:13 PM
^IMDB shows the 60s original is " Drama | Fantasy | Horror | Mystery | Romance | Sci-Fi | Thriller" and the 90s revival is "Drama | Horror | Romance | Thriller." Unless they made major changes you'd think the revival series would have the same genre tags as the original.
I haven't watched it since it first aired, but I believe the revival only lasted a short time (12 episodes) and covered only one story from the original show (more or less the same story as House of Dark Shadows (1970), which IMDb lists as "Drama | Horror | Romance"). The original was on for several years and had lots of storylines, so there was more chance for more genres.

shadokitty
02-20-15, 01:57 PM
I haven't watched it since it first aired, but I believe the revival only lasted a short time (12 episodes) and covered only one story from the original show (more or less the same story as House of Dark Shadows (1970), which IMDb lists as "Drama | Horror | Romance"). The original was on for several years and had lots of storylines, so there was more chance for more genres.

No big deal. I've got lots to watch anyways, including stuff on TV, like Encore Action.

CrazyMat
02-20-15, 11:01 PM
Challenge Sounds Cool. Probably got plenty in the unwatched pile that can fit the bill. Anyway you can count me in.

shadokitty
02-21-15, 12:26 AM
I'm watching College Lacrosse on ESPN3 right now. Just thought I'd throw that out there, as I remember sports being ok'ed a year or two ago.

omike
02-21-15, 02:07 PM
For whatever reasons I usually take a break from challenges after October until this one rolls around. Really looking forward to it once again. I plan on some noir, some more recent HK action flicks (along with a few Shaw Brothers films), some peplum, and exploring a TV show from the late 50's, Decoy, about a police woman, which I first discovered on a Mill Creek set in last year's challenge.

I also never knew George Reeves died under such mysterious circumstances.

There is a somewhat fictionalized account of an investigation into Reeves' death called Hollywoodland with Ben Affleck as George. I haven't seen it yet but it does qualify for this challenge with Crime and Mystery as two of many genres listed on IMDB.

Also - I think this is right - the Superman of the serials, Kirk Alyn, is in the extended cut of Superman: The Movie as Sam Lane. Or, at least, young-Lois' Dad on the train. :)

And don't forget that Noel Neill herself is in the scene as well playing Lois's mother.

Trevor
02-21-15, 03:42 PM
I think I love Hollywoodland but must admit biases.


I love all things comic book.
I love real life crime films.
I saw it soon after seeing Chasing Amy and was at my probable peak Affleck appreciation.

shadokitty
02-22-15, 01:01 AM
To prep myself, and get in the mood for the Challenge, I've began watching my kaiju movies. I'm starting with my MST3K Gamera films. I hope I can find them all, my DVDs somewhere along the line got scattered all over the house.

shadokitty
02-22-15, 08:34 AM
I'm in a bad mood now. I've lost a good portion of my Gamera and Godzilla movies. And I plan to focus primarily on Kaiju, Power Rangers, and other Japanese sci fi/ation shows, and peplum. So I have to rebuy all that I'm missing.

Trevor
02-22-15, 08:57 AM
I'm in a bad mood now. I've lost a good portion of my Gamera and Godzilla movies. And I plan to focus primarily on Kaiju, Power Rangers, and other Japanese sci fi/ation shows, and peplum. So I have to rebuy all that I'm missing.
Lost as in 100% definitely gone? Or lost as in buried in your house somewhere?

Can you make do with streaming some until they turn up?

shadokitty
02-22-15, 08:58 AM
I just priced what I'm missing, and added to a couple DVDs and Blu Rays I want as well. It would cost me close to $90. At least I can get free 2 day shipping with Prime.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
02-22-15, 01:24 PM
I haven't watched it since it first aired, but I believe the revival only lasted a short time (12 episodes) and covered only one story from the original show (more or less the same story as House of Dark Shadows (1970), which IMDb lists as "Drama | Horror | Romance"). The original was on for several years and had lots of storylines, so there was more chance for more genres.

I guess they crammed Vicki arriving, Barnabus arriving, Barnabus trying to get cured, and Vicki's trip to the past in 12 episodes.

shadokitty
02-22-15, 02:02 PM
Lost as in 100% definitely gone? Or lost as in buried in your house somewhere?

Can you make do with streaming some until they turn up?

I already looked to see if any are available on Prime or Netflix. Hulu has one Gamera movie, and maybe a Godzilla or two, so no, I need to repurchase them. I get paid in a few days though, and plan to do a mass buy from Amazon, with free 2 day shipping, thanks to Prime.

shadokitty
02-22-15, 02:11 PM
Crackle has my missing Godzilla movies, so that's ok. However, I'm still missing 90 % of my Gamera movies, including my blu rays of the Heisei trilogy.

shadokitty
02-22-15, 04:32 PM
I have a question about genre eligibility. What about hunting and fishing shows? To me, they seem like they would be considered adventures, but I wanted to make sure.

LorenzoL
02-22-15, 06:11 PM
I've got a bunch of HK/Taiwan martial arts movies, mostly from the 70's, I'd like to make a dent in. I have enough that I can continue watching into the exploitation challenge (assuming that's no all I watch).


For whatever reasons I usually take a break from challenges after October until this one rolls around. Really looking forward to it once again. I plan on some noir, some more recent HK action flicks (along with a few Shaw Brothers films), some peplum, and exploring a TV show from the late 50's, Decoy, about a police woman, which I first discovered on a Mill Creek set in last year's challenge.


I have steadily been watching my unwatched pile and this Challenge will help me knock some more down including my HK and Shaw Brothers movies I bought.

Dimension X
02-23-15, 12:18 AM
I guess they crammed Vicki arriving, Barnabus arriving, Barnabus trying to get cured, and Vicki's trip to the past in 12 episodes.
Well Barnabas and Victoria showed up in the first episode (didn't they?). I'd forgotten that they did the Vicky in the past story too. Was that resolved, or was it left hanging with her in the past? I really need to watch those shows again.

coyoteblue
02-23-15, 09:26 AM
Quite a few Bowery Boy movies would fit the Challenge's bill nicely, I think.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
02-23-15, 11:28 AM
Well Barnabas and Victoria showed up in the first episode (didn't they?). I'd forgotten that they did the Vicky in the past story too. Was that resolved, or was it left hanging with her in the past? I really need to watch those shows again.

I think you're right about the first episode and it did end on a cliffhanger. Thankfully since the show was already done, you can just fill out the details yourself.

This would be a perfect show to put on the CW channel. I'd never watch it but it would fit in with everything else they show, as long as they continue to cast people in roles they're too young for like they do with every other show they have.

Dimension X
02-23-15, 11:37 AM
I think you're right about the first episode and it did end on a cliffhanger. Thankfully since the show was already done, you can just fill out the details yourself.

This would be a perfect show to put on the CW channel. I'd never watch it but it would fit in with everything else they show, as long as they continue to cast people in roles they're too young for like they do with every other show they have.
They already have two vampire shows - The Vampire Diaries and its spin-off.

I like Arrow and The Flash, and I used to watch Supernatural (I think that's still on). :shrug:

I've watched serials during previous challenges, and I think that's what I did; watch two or three episodes, then watch something else, and spread one or two serials out over the month. I'm going to try that this time. I just have to decide what I want to watch. I might just grab one (sort of) at random.
I looked at my lists last night and saw that I have more than 150 serials to choose from, so I'll definitely try to watch a couple.

Ash Ketchum
02-23-15, 01:20 PM
Quite a few Bowery Boy movies would fit the Challenge's bill nicely, I think.

Yeah, they were often tangling with local criminals on the lower east side.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
02-23-15, 03:21 PM
They already have two vampire shows - The Vampire Diaries and its spin-off.

I like Arrow and The Flash, and I used to watch Supernatural (I think that's still on). :shrug:


I looked at my lists last night and saw that I have more than 150 serials to choose from, so I'll definitely try to watch a couple.

And a new zombie show coming soon.

I don't see that channel as having people working there say anything like "We have too many shows with either the supernatural or people with extraordinary abilities".

I don't have cable, so it's one of the handful of channels I get. There's a few shows in syndication I watch but nothing they've put out themselves. I can't stand watching commercials because then I see dumb crap like Jane the Virgin and then somehow it was getting rave reviews before it started. Reviews would then go on to say how they would have to keep watching to see what happens. It wasn't hard to figure out what was going to happen and with each commercial I see, I watch it slowly come out to the conclusion that anyone with half a brain could have seen coming.

It's a mystery how anyone can't see how the plot of this show is going to go.

It should be a crime that it's on the air.

There should be action taken against the people that got it on the air.

I would gladly take an adventure and travel to see these people sent to prison.

shadokitty
02-23-15, 04:45 PM
I don't have cable, so it's one of the handful of channels I get. There's a few shows in syndication I watch but nothing they've put out themselves. I can't stand watching commercials because then I see dumb crap like Jane the Virgin and then somehow it was getting rave reviews before it started. Reviews would then go on to say how they would have to keep watching to see what happens. It wasn't hard to figure out what was going to happen and with each commercial I see, I watch it slowly come out to the conclusion that anyone with half a brain could have seen coming.

It's a mystery how anyone can't see how the plot of this show is going to go.

It should be a crime that it's on the air.

There should be action taken against the people that got it on the air.

I would gladly take an adventure and travel to see these people sent to prison.


It must count then. ;)

Dimension X
02-23-15, 10:06 PM
And a new zombie show coming soon.
I'll have to look into that. Is it a Walking Dead-type show, or a Warm Bodies-teen-angsty-type thing? (Confession: I actually liked Warm Bodies, but I don't want to watch something like that week after week.) Seems like I read about a teen-zombie comic sometime in the past year or two - maybe it's based on that.
I don't see that channel as having people working there say anything like "We have too many shows with either the supernatural or people with extraordinary abilities".
I don't have any problem with that, since I tend to enjoy shows like that when I actually watch them.
I don't have cable, so it's one of the handful of channels I get. There's a few shows in syndication I watch but nothing they've put out themselves. I can't stand watching commercials because then I see dumb crap like Jane the Virgin and then somehow it was getting rave reviews before it started. Reviews would then go on to say how they would have to keep watching to see what happens. It wasn't hard to figure out what was going to happen and with each commercial I see, I watch it slowly come out to the conclusion that anyone with half a brain could have seen coming.
I have no clue who or what "Jane the Virgin" is. :shrug: I gave up watching over-the-air TV a couple of years back. Now I just watch a few shows on Hulu (yeah, there are commercials, but they're not that bad), and I figure I can eventually watch whatever else I'm interested in on Netflix.

shadokitty
02-23-15, 10:16 PM
For people who get MeTV, the George Reeves Superman series is on 6 days a week.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
02-24-15, 10:53 AM
I'll have to look into that. Is it a Walking Dead-type show, or a Warm Bodies-teen-angsty-type thing?

I have no clue who or what "Jane the Virgin" is. :shrug:

It's a CW show, so it's called iZombie and it's a teen zombie girl show.

Jane went to the doctor for a checkup and then got accidentally inseminated. Her mom is a slut and they all live with Jane's grandma. The sperm was from a rich guy(owner?) in the company she works at. She was engaged to someone else at the start of the show.

Nobody could possibly figure out what direction the show is going but in an apparent twist, the rich guy proposes to her. Who could have seen that coming?

Up until now, from the commercials I've seen, she meets people and tells everyone how she is pregnant but still a virgin. Hilarity ensues.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
02-24-15, 10:53 AM
For people who get MeTV, the George Reeves Superman series is on 6 days a week.

Esquire channel shows stuff like The Hulk all day on a certain day. They do the same with some other related shows too.

Trevor
02-24-15, 11:24 AM
I have a question about genre eligibility. What about hunting and fishing shows? To me, they seem like they would be considered adventures, but I wanted to make sure.
That's all that matters.

coyoteblue
02-24-15, 11:31 AM
It's a CW show, so it's called iZombie and it's a teen zombie girl show.


iZombie is based on a comic book. There are four trades out that tell the complete story. Based on the commercials it looks like the skeleton of the story (eat brains/solve crimes) are covered and sooner or later we'll probably see ghosts, vampires, mummies, were-dogs and other things less classifiable. If they want to go there.

shadokitty
02-24-15, 11:57 AM
I just started watching Arrow on Netflix. I think I have another show to watching this challenge. The Pilot was quite good, and I liked the flashbacks showing what happened to Oliver. I was rather surprised at the end of the pilot, but will not say what I saw in case others want to watch it. Those who have seen it know what I am talking about anyways.

JennandTheCats
02-24-15, 04:16 PM
Is it ok to count The Walking Dead? Plenty of action and adventure in that show.

Trevor
02-24-15, 05:56 PM
^ Definitely.

Of course, with genres this broad, much of all media counts. It's up to each individual to decide how they want to play.

You can get into the genre and Challenge aspects of things and specialize on pure (genre x).

You can watch whatever you would have watched anyway and try to make it fit the genres.

Or anywhere in between.

Only rule is to have fun and try to share your thoughts and lists in these two threads. Much of my fun in these Challenges is seeing the creative formatting and details you all put into your lists.

LorenzoL
02-24-15, 08:21 PM
I have decided that it will be an Asian movies challenge with the bulk coming from my Shaw Brothers library along with some Golden Harvest and old school Kung-Fu for me.

ntnon
02-24-15, 08:55 PM
I just started watching Arrow on Netflix. I think I have another show to watching this challenge. The Pilot was quite good, and I liked the flashbacks showing what happened to Oliver. I was rather surprised at the end of the pilot, but will not say what I saw in case others want to watch it. Those who have seen it know what I am talking about anyways.

Arrow is very enjoyable - and The Flash isn't bad either. Good thought actually, I may pick up where January's TV left off. :)

Dimension X
02-24-15, 10:20 PM
iZombie is based on a comic book. There are four trades out that tell the complete story. Based on the commercials it looks like the skeleton of the story (eat brains/solve crimes) are covered and sooner or later we'll probably see ghosts, vampires, mummies, were-dogs and other things less classifiable. If they want to go there.
I thought that title sounded familiar. I haven't read the comics, but the I'll probably give the show a chance anyway, and try to catch an episode to see if it does anything for me.
Arrow is very enjoyable - and The Flash isn't bad either. Good thought actually, I may pick up where January's TV left off. :)
If you like those two, you'd probably like Gotham and Constantine as well.

JennandTheCats
02-24-15, 10:45 PM
Oh awesome, Trevor. Thanks so much for the answer!

ntnon
02-24-15, 11:05 PM
If you like [Arrow and Flash], you'd probably like Gotham and Constantine as well.
I suspect so - and I imagine I'll buy both when they're cheap. :) Gotham bothers me for many of the same reasons(s) Smallville did (and I've still managed to avoid Smallville), and Constantine's first episode was terrible. The script did what looks like a decent actor no favours at all. Although I read that they re-did the sidekick entirely in episode #2, so hopefully it improved..

Ash Ketchum
02-25-15, 03:35 PM
I have decided that it will be an Asian movies challenge with the bulk coming from my Shaw Brothers library along with some Golden Harvest and old school Kung-Fu for me.

Don't forget the Angela Mao box set with six films including BROKEN OATH (pictured here) and WHEN TAEKWONDO STRIKES.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4083/4999752816_33e86ab4eb.jpg

And with Sammo Hung from a different film (I forget which one, I think THE TOURNAMENT, also in that set):
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4125/4998468291_10e53c49ed.jpg

And here's a pic I took of her and Sammo at an event in New York almost five years go:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4098/4743571020_b1ff828555.jpg

LorenzoL
02-25-15, 03:38 PM
Thanks for sharing the picture Ash! She looks better now than she did when she was younger.

ntnon
02-25-15, 05:24 PM
Don't forget the Angela Mao box set with six films...
Went looking for this one, and found a Four Film Favorites: Martial Arts (http://smile.amazon.com/Film-Favorites-Militant-Prodigal-Moonlight/dp/B000U1ZV94/) (Militant Eagle, Prodigal Boxer, Moonlight Sword & Jade Lion, Bloody Fist) for $3.23...

Ash Ketchum
02-25-15, 06:01 PM
Went looking for this one, and found a Four Film Favorites: Martial Arts (http://smile.amazon.com/Film-Favorites-Militant-Prodigal-Moonlight/dp/B000U1ZV94/) (Militant Eagle, Prodigal Boxer, Moonlight Sword & Jade Lion, Bloody Fist) for $3.23...

And that set is worth about...$3.23.

ntnon
02-25-15, 06:58 PM
And that set is worth about...$3.23.

Oh, really? Poor films, or bad discs/transfers..?

coyoteblue
02-26-15, 07:49 AM
Oh, really? Poor films, or bad discs/transfers..?

None of the movies on the set are OAR and the only audio option is the risible English dub.

You'd be better off with the set Ash mentions above, The Angela Mao Ying Collection (WHEN TAEKWONDO STRIKES (1973) THE TOURNAMENT (1974) STONER (1974) THE HIMALAYAN (1976) A QUEEN S RANSOM (1976) BROKEN OATH (1977) ) or Lady Whirlwind / Hapkido (also Angela Mao) or Martial Arts Movie Marathon (The Skyhawk, The Manchu Boxer, The Dragon Tamers & The Association) or Martial Arts Movie Marathon, Vol. 2 (The Fate Of Lee Khan, Shaolin Boxers, The Young Dragons, The Shaolin Plot), all from Shout! Factory and available from various online retailers.

All the movies are OAR and give you sub/dub options. Any of these sets is the way to go. Be nice if Shout! Factory would release a wu xia set.

shadokitty
02-26-15, 10:04 AM
To whet my appetite for the challenge, I've began watching Dogfights. I just finished the first episode about MiG Alley.

Ash Ketchum
02-26-15, 10:08 AM
None of the movies on the set are OAR and the only audio option is the risible English dub.

You'd be better off with the set Ash mentions above, The Angela Mao Ying Collection (WHEN TAEKWONDO STRIKES (1973) THE TOURNAMENT (1974) STONER (1974) THE HIMALAYAN (1976) A QUEEN S RANSOM (1976) BROKEN OATH (1977) ) or Lady Whirlwind / Hapkido (also Angela Mao) or Martial Arts Movie Marathon (The Skyhawk, The Manchu Boxer, The Dragon Tamers & The Association) or Martial Arts Movie Marathon, Vol. 2 (The Fate Of Lee Khan, Shaolin Boxers, The Young Dragons, The Shaolin Plot), all from Shout! Factory and available from various online retailers.

All the movies are OAR and give you sub/dub options. Any of these sets is the way to go. Be nice if Shout! Factory would release a wu xia set.

Wow, I didn't know about those Marathon sets. The big news here is THE FATE OF LEE KHAN, by King Hu (A TOUCH OF ZEN). It's a good film, but I've only seen it on a full-screen VHS copy with the subs. cut off on the sides. Not familiar with the other titles in that set, although I probably have them under other names. On the first Marathon set, I don't think I've seen any of those. THE ASSOCIATION is a Mao title missing from my collection. I hope those are on Amazon.

P.S. And Angela Mao is in FATE OF LEE KHAN also, as one of a quartet of battling waitresses at a desert inn.

Trevor
02-26-15, 10:12 AM
We're in a rare time of no active Challenge, aren't we?

BobO'Link
02-26-15, 10:23 AM
Yes.

coyoteblue
02-26-15, 11:08 AM
A little down time is nice.

shadokitty
02-26-15, 11:48 AM
We're in a rare time of no active Challenge, aren't we?

Yes.

A little down time is nice.

I've been taking advantage to watch just what I want.

BobO'Link
02-26-15, 12:30 PM
I've been taking advantage to watch just what I want.
Since I'm not much a fan of many Oscar Winning films I've started bypassing that one and watch what I want for the entire month of February. I still read the thread, watch the occasional winner (usually by accident), and throw my $0.02 out on occasion but don't maintain a list. It's a *very* nice break.

davidh777
02-26-15, 12:47 PM
We're in a rare time of no active Challenge, aren't we?

It pretty much mirrors the dead period in sports.

davidh777
02-26-15, 12:50 PM
I just requested a sticky on the list thread.

shadokitty
02-28-15, 06:26 AM
I don't have anything in particular to start with tonight. Probably just browse the Dish guide, as Roku will be out, due to my downloading a game on Steam.

BobO'Link
02-28-15, 08:25 AM
With the death of Leonad Nimoy I started S1 of Star Trek: TOS last night. It's been several years since I watched any of that series and I'd forgotten just how much I like it. It's interesting to see, again, how the earlier episodes still have the actors finding their way with their characters, especially Nimoy. Over the first half-dozen or so episodes the character of Mr. Spock changes slightly in mannerism and speach patterns.

I enjoyed seeing, again, those first 4 episodes so much I plan to complete S1 and then decide if I want to continue with the other 2 seasons. I'm guessing I will as it's one of my Top 10 Favorite Shows (perennially in the #1 spot). With those it's hard for me to stop once I start.

shadokitty
02-28-15, 08:37 AM
What about shows on tv that start before sunset, but end after? I ask because when I checked my phone today, I saw sunset for me is an odd time, 6:07.

Trevor
02-28-15, 08:45 AM
What about shows on tv that start before sunset, but end after? I ask because when I checked my phone today, I saw sunset for me is an odd time, 6:07.
You can start a 4 hour movie at 1407 then. As long as it ends at least one second after sunset, it counts. ;)

BobO'Link
02-28-15, 10:43 AM
You can start a 4 hour movie at 1407 then. As long as it ends at least one second after sunset, it counts. ;)
That's a interesting ruling. I've always interpreted it as you can't *start* until sunset - this presents a new wrinkle... :)

coyoteblue
02-28-15, 10:47 AM
Sunset in these parts start at 6:29. So my evening will begin with an aperitif, Danger 5 series 2, Merry Christmas Colonel (2015), followed by an entree, Queen of Fist (Kung Fu Ma Ma) (1973), and a second helping, Fun and Fury (1992). If I've got room left, dessert will be a Bravest Warrior episode.

Darkgod
02-28-15, 10:49 AM
We're in a rare time of no active Challenge, aren't we?

One of the reasons it was suggested not to start the Oscar challenge a week early, and actually have it run a week after the oscars.

Trevor
02-28-15, 11:11 AM
One of the reasons it was suggested not to start the Oscar challenge a week early, and actually have it run a week after the oscars.
Yeah, even without this gap, I think it'd be a good idea to have that Challenge last at least a few days after the Oscars.

Back on topic, I probably won't start my viewings tonight, as I'm in the middle of a couple comics I'd rather finish, but I will fit in a bunch of Nimoy next month. llap

BobO'Link
02-28-15, 11:27 AM
Those who are so inclined may want to include the serial Zombies of the Stratosphere (1952) in which Nimoy made his film debut.

Cardsfan111
02-28-15, 11:56 AM
I've spent the challenge break having conversations with family members. They're nice people.

shadokitty
02-28-15, 12:08 PM
I've spent the challenge break having conversations with family members. They're nice people.

How can you gasp- talk?;)

Cardsfan111
02-28-15, 12:19 PM
How can you gasp- talk?;)

It was a little awkward at first. After we get through the introductions, things begin to flow pretty well.

Trevor
02-28-15, 01:19 PM
Those who are so inclined may want to include the serial Zombies of the Stratosphere (1952) in which Nimoy debuts as a actor.
Nice. Is it streaming somewhere?
I've spent the challenge break having conversations with family members. They're nice people.
Family members? Is that what those other people living in my house are called?

sleepyhead55
02-28-15, 01:51 PM
I'm thinking of watching Christmas Evil for the start of the challenge. It fulfills the "something that takes place with a major holiday theme" category on the checklist. I'll probably try to watch a Mill Creek double pack of The Replacement Killers and Truth or Consequences NM tomorrow.

davidh777
02-28-15, 02:09 PM
Watched the Veronica Mars pilot last night even though it didn't count because it was too early. -ohbfrank-

Giles
02-28-15, 03:49 PM
this month's challenge is pretty much going to go by the wayside for me - way too busy with basketball (Big East, the NCAA tournament) , family in town, etc.,

:(

LorenzoL
02-28-15, 05:45 PM
I'm starting off with the two biggest Martial Arts movies of all time: The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and Enter the Dragon.

LorenzoL
02-28-15, 06:43 PM
For those that need some movie suggestions on what to watch for this challenge. I may not agree with the position of the films included on the list but I believe that they are all worth to be on it.

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/film/best-action-movies

shadokitty
02-28-15, 06:51 PM
I decided to start with some peplum. That being, I dug out my MC Warriors 50 movie pack and just finished Goliath and the Dragon. Special effects may be cheesy, but if you want action, peplum is always a good choice.

MysterioMan007
02-28-15, 07:09 PM
I started with James Bond. I'm going to try and completely watch my 50th Anniversary Blu-ray set since I've had it for two years and have never watched any but Dr. No since the purchase.

LorenzoL
02-28-15, 08:30 PM
The 36th Chamber of Shaolin
What more can be said that haven't said before... The fighting scenes are not very long or elaborate but this movie shines on the training and challenges sequences. I have yet to see another Kung-Fu movie that outclasses 36th Chamber in regards to the above.
The role of a lifetime for Gordon Liu and he takes full advantage of it. Phenomenal!

Edit - I watched the Dragon Dynasty Blu-ray of the film and do yourself a favour, don't buy it! I have also DD DVD version of the film and I actually think that the DVD looks better since the Blu-ray has a hazy, out of focus quality. I'm thinking of purchasing the Hong Kong recent release of the 3 films that came out recently on Blu-ray.

lisadoris
02-28-15, 08:37 PM
So I started the Challenge with Orphan Black one of my students suggested I watch the show and it's okay. I'm four episodes in and I'm not really feeling it yet. I'll watch the full season but can anyone tell me if the series gets better?

shadokitty
02-28-15, 08:38 PM
Just finished another peplum, a Reg Park Maciste film called Maciste in King Solomon's Mines.

lrend
02-28-15, 08:40 PM
Watched the Veronica Mars pilot last night even though it didn't count because it was too early. -ohbfrank-

I love the whole Veronica Mars series. Seeing this post reminded me that I need to watch it all over again.

lrend
02-28-15, 08:45 PM
So I started the Challenge with Orphan Black one of my students suggested I watch the show and it's okay. I'm four episodes in and I'm not really feeling it yet. I'll watch the full season but can anyone tell me if the series gets better?

I loved the entire series but I suggested it to one of my friends and he thought it was slow. I will say that it gets better the more episodes that you watch. I watched Season 1 and 2 and I'm anxiously awaiting Season 3.

davidh777
02-28-15, 08:47 PM
I love the whole Veronica Mars series. Seeing this post reminded me that I need to watch it all over again.

I've only seen a few episodes. My hope is to get the kids interested because they like Kristen Bell and the crime/mystery genre.

lrend
02-28-15, 08:52 PM
I've only seen a few episodes. My hope is to get the kids interested because they like Kristen Bell and the crime/mystery genre.

I'm sure they will like it. It gets more interesting the more episodes you watch. I will say that I liked the first two seasons better than the third but it was still good.

BobO'Link
02-28-15, 09:51 PM
Those who are so inclined may want to include the serial Zombies of the Stratosphere (1952) in which Nimoy made his film debut.
Nice. Is it streaming somewhere?
It's in my collection so I didn't even think to check...

so... looks like Amazon has it for rental or purchase and a quick Google shows the chapters to be available on youtube.

BobO'Link
02-28-15, 09:59 PM
So I started the Challenge with Orphan Black one of my students suggested I watch the show and it's okay. I'm four episodes in and I'm not really feeling it yet. I'll watch the full season but can anyone tell me if the series gets better?
A coworker talked me into watching S1 some time back. I found it "OK" but *just* OK and didn't bother going on to S2 but it's been too long for me to be able to outline just what didn't work for me. At this point all I really recall is that I just didn't find it compelling enough to continue viewing beyond season 1.

BobO'Link
02-28-15, 10:10 PM
My grandson came over to spend the night so I took a break from ST:TOS to watch Godzilla 2014) as I'd purchased it because *he* wanted to see it as well as did I. Well... It was "just OK" too. While I really enjoyed the creature designs, battles, and overall plot the *highly* disposable sub-plot with "the kid (our "hero") who lost his mother and grew up to help battle the monsters but found *his* wife and kid endangered by the creatures" pretty much a buzz-kill. Totally wasted film time there folks which pretty much brought the film to a dead stop almost every time either the wife or kid was shown. Editing out that sub-plot would have shortened the film by the ~30 minutes which was badly needed to provide "tightening" of the story. Even with such tightening there are several rather large plot issues. It *is* a better film than the 1998 version but the king is *still* the 1954 Japanese original.

shadokitty
03-01-15, 01:08 AM
I just finished one of the comic book documentaries I bought on Amazon Video, Necessary Evil: The Super-Villains of DC Comics. It was interesting to see the villains get their just due, especially how it was explained, that the villains themselves are the ones who mold the heroes into who they are.

LJG765
03-01-15, 03:34 AM
I started off with The Book of Life. I enjoyed it. I see the reviews were fairly disparaging about it, but I didn't think it was that bad. I enjoyed the art work/design of it quite a lot and while there were predictable parts and a lot of pop culture references, I think it's a very watchable film. The music/songs in it were listenable as well, though I don't think any of them are that memorable. I think that the movie did have a hard time deciding if it was going to be a musical or a movie with music in it...

sleepyhead55
03-01-15, 04:22 AM
I started off the challenge with God Told Me To. It has a strong first half but I found the second half less so. I guess one of it's problems is that the material just changes course from a straight forward police procedural to a film that deals with the supernatural. I think it's watchable but I'm not sure how much replay value it has.

shadokitty
03-01-15, 06:56 AM
I got an early start this morning, since I woke up early, and thought, why not work on the challenge. I found a soccer game on bein Sports, so tuned into that.

malazar
03-01-15, 09:00 AM
I started off with a couple movies on the Cult of Muscle (a great action movie podcast I listen to) tubesynch channel last night. First off was Mankillers which is an all-women low budget Dirty Dozen sort of film that was a lot of fun. Then we watched Iron Angels which I fear may send me down the rabbit hole of Hong Kong girls with guns movies since I loved it.

After that and continuing into today, I am catching up on season 4 of Game of Thrones on HBOGo.

shadokitty
03-01-15, 09:11 AM
Only the 2nd day of the challenge, and I've already ran into my first dud. I was browsing Hulu for something to watch, and thought I'd try Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. I suppose eing a video game movie, I should have had lower expectations, but I watched it anyways. In a way, I'm glad I suffered through it, as there was one high point near the end. Master Chief is actually in the movie near the end. It was cool seeing him in action. One thing I have to wonder though. Is Master Chief a man, or a robot? I've never played the Halo series, as I have a PS3, not an X Box.

LorenzoL
03-01-15, 09:31 AM
Enter the Dragon
I don't think we will ever see another Martial Arts actor like Bruce Lee. Many credit him as being the actor that popularize the Martial Arts genre in the West and you can't find fault in that theory specially in the above movie.
The movie has Bruce at his best as he goes off to participate in the tournament and just radiates cool and charisma. I highly doubt the movie would had the same impact with another actor. Great fight choreography and the surprise here is Jim Kelly. Also it has the brief appearance by Angela Mao.

The movie is far from perfect as it has the basic plot of a Martial Arts movie: a former student from the Shaolin temple is bringing disgrace and Bruce is in charge of stopping him. Also Bruce's looking for revenge for his sister's death. The main villain is laughable and not very threatening. Hey, I'm Han and I have a detachable knife hand to kill you with!!! Plus you have John Saxon as a Martial Arts fighter.
Even with its faults, there's no question that this is a must see for any person interested in watching a Martial Arts movie. Top 5 for sure.
One of my favourite movie line of all time: "Boards don't hit back!"

I watched it on my 2 Disc WB DVD as I have yet to buy the 40th Anniversary edition on Blu-ray.

LorenzoL
03-01-15, 11:17 AM
Five Venoms
This movie is considered as one of the classics of Kung Fu cinema. It was highly influential in western pop culture. Having said that, I have always felt this movie was highly overrated. The concept is perfect but the execution feels off. Trying to find out who the "venoms" are, plays more like a mystery than a Martial Arts movie.

The same Dragon Dynasty that botched the "The 36th Chamber of Shaolin" on Blu-ray, actually came up with a strong release for this movie. PQ was really good and sounds was okay with a lossy 2.0 DD. The commentary with Bey Logan is very good and informative.

LorenzoL
03-01-15, 02:28 PM
Executioners from Shaolin
Lau Kar-Leung created an iconic villain in this movie. Priest Pai Mei (White Eyebrows) played exceptionally by Lo Lieh is one of the top villain if not the top one, created by the Shaw Brothers studio. Unfortunately for this movie, the villain ends up being more interesting than the rest of the heroes. Chen Kuan-Tai, Wong Yu and Lili Li played the thankless roles opposite Lo Lieh. It doesn't help the fact that Chen Kuan-Tai play a stubborn character in his stance about the Crane style of fighting. The last fight with Wong Yu is a bit of a downer since it all plays out like he "lucked" out in defeating Pai Mei. Nice cameo by Gordon Liu helps the proceeding.

I have the DD DVD but couldn't find it so I watched the English Dub via Hulu Plus. Great image btw!

LorenzoL
03-01-15, 02:38 PM
I took a break from the Martial Arts movies, to watch the rest of the episodes of Agent Carter series. Uneven first season but I'm hoping for a 2nd one since I like Hayley Atwell and the character of Peggy Carter.

Ash Ketchum
03-01-15, 04:11 PM
Enter the Dragon
I don't think we will ever see another Martial Arts actor like Bruce Lee. Many credit him as being the actor that popularize the Martial Arts genre in the West and you can't find fault in that theory specially in the above movie.
The movie has Bruce at his best as he goes off to participate in the tournament and just radiates cool and charisma. I highly doubt the movie would had the same impact with another actor. Great fight choreography and the surprise here is Jim Kelly. Also it has the brief appearance by Angela Mao.

The movie is far from perfect as it has the basic plot of a Martial Arts movie: a former student from the Shaolin temple is bringing disgrace and Bruce is in charge of stopping him. Also Bruce's looking for revenge for his sister's death. The main villain is laughable and not very threatening. Hey, I'm Han and I have a detachable knife hand to kill you with!!! Plus you have John Saxon as a Martial Arts fighter.
Even with its faults, there's no question that this is a must see for any person interested in watching a Martial Arts movie. Top 5 for sure.
One of my favourite movie line of all time: "Boards don't hit back!"

I watched it on my 2 Disc WB DVD as I have yet to buy the 40th Anniversary edition on Blu-ray.

The film was not as well-received in HK that year as was expected (HOUSE OF 72 TENANTS was a bigger hit). A lot of the audience there resented the fact that Bruce plays an agent working for the British. If you took Lee's fight scenes out, the rest of the film is barely tolerable. HK fans preferred Lee's earlier film, FIST OF FURY (released in the U.S. as THE CHINESE CONNECTION), which remains my favorite Lee film.

John Saxon had karate and other martial arts training before making ENTER THE DRAGON. Here is a relevant quote from an interview with Saxon:

John Saxon: I began doing a little Judo around 1957, before Karate was to emerge visibly in Los Angeles. I then began training under Sense Nishiyama, in Shotokan Karate, and continued until about 1968, just short of Black Belt. During this time when I became very active doing movies abroad as well as in the U.S I also became interested in the Internal Chinese Martial Arts. By the time 'Enter the Dragon' began I was approaching 38 years old, and had not done any serious Karate training for four years. The only fighting scene of mine not choreographed by Bruce Lee was the scene in which I mightily dispatched three or was it four 'toughs' on the Golf Course who were demanding I pay my gambling debt; the reason 'Roper' flees to Hong Kong. That scene was developed in the Producer's offices at Warner Bros. by my Tai Chi Instructor James Wing Woo, and myself. I'd gone there the day before the scene was to be filmed in Griffith Park to ask Robert Clouse just how he saw doing the scene? I discovered Clouse didn't have a clue. As a result he turned the question to me. I conferred with Jimmy Wing Woo who made suggestions, which I demonstrated to Clouse and Fred Weintraub for more than an hour with foolish exhuberance: high scissor type kicks and spinning slap type kicks until I left satisfied that I knew what I was going to do in the scene the next day. But leaving the Office I found I was limping to get to my car. By the time I got home and in the shower, I discovered the back of my right leg was turning reddish-blue and I must've torn my 'ham-string'. After finishing the filming of the scene the following day, with different angles and innumerable takes, I was 'out of commission' for a month. Luckily filming in Hong Kong didn't begin until after that.


Whole interview: http://littledragon.builtfree.org/saxon.html

LorenzoL
03-01-15, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the link! Even with his Martial Arts training, Saxon just seems strange to be one of main cast for the movie.

I'm hoping to to watch Fist of Fury along with the Jet Li remake of Fist of Legend during the challenge. Heck, I might even go for the triple bill with Donnie Yen's Legend of the Fist: The Return of Chen Zhen.

Ash Ketchum
03-01-15, 08:24 PM
Bruce Lee fought the Japanese in THE CHINESE CONNECTION. Keye Luke (who played Kato 26 years before Bruce Lee did) fought the Japanese in SALUTE TO THE MARINES, which I watched tonight.

SALUTE TO THE MARINES (1943) is an MGM production, in Technicolor, about a retired Marine Corps sergeant (Wallace Beery) living in the Philippines who gets pulled back into action when the Japanese invade on Dec. 7, 1941. (Keye Luke plays his sidekick.) Why did I purchase this DVD from Warner Archive? Because my father’s unit was used to provide background extras for the film in scenes shot for the prologue and epilogue at Camp Pendleton in San Diego, where my father served during the war as a Marine Corps Drill Instructor. And the reason I watched it today was because today is the 30th anniversary of my father’s death.

Is my father in the film? It’s hard to say. I spotted one guy marching at the head of a formation who could have been him, but it was too hard to tell for sure.

In any event, it’s quite a rousing film about the war, focused on the Philippines and the Americans who were stationed there. There’s quite a spectacular battle scene late in the film where Beery leads a contingent of marines and local Filipinos in defending a bridge to keep the Japanese invaders from getting across. And it’s all in Technicolor. It may not be as intense as the similarly-themed BATAAN (1943) and BACK TO BATAAN (1945), but it’s quite an astounding film in its own right. And now that I think of it, the battle over the bridge looks forward to a very similar scene in Sergio Leone's DUCK, YOU SUCKER (1972, aka A FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE), 29 years later.

mrcellophane
03-01-15, 08:56 PM
I learned from Ash Ketchum's list that Lisabeth Scott died in January. I will have to rewatch The Racket, a favorite unsung film noir. She was also very good in Dark City. I also learned that Bob O'Link watched Noah and didn't enjoy it as much as I did!

I had lots of plans this weekend, but Oklahoma got snow and ice dumped on it so I was stuck at home. I decided it was the perfect time to watch The Towering Inferno which is entirely too long and overblown. However, I enjoy Irwin Allen's brand of long and overblown so I enjoyed it quite a bit. Paul Newman and Steve McQueen are always entertaining, and it was cool to see Fred Astaire and Jennifer Jones way past their Hollywood heydays. Most of Allen's films are just spectacle, but this one bends over backward to push its controversial pro-firefighter agenda. McQueen's exasperated fire chief never passes up an opportunity to berate everyone about fire safety and prevalent fire-related ignorance. The film made me nostalgic for the disaster books that I loved as a teen.

sleepyhead55
03-01-15, 09:30 PM
I learned from Ash Ketchum's list that Lisabeth Scott died in January. I will have to rewatch The Racket, a favorite unsung film noir. She was also very good in Dark City. I also learned that Bob O'Link watched Noah and didn't enjoy it as much as I did!

I had lots of plans this weekend, but Oklahoma got snow and ice dumped on it so I was stuck at home. I decided it was the perfect time to watch The Towering Inferno which is entirely too long and overblown. However, I enjoy Irwin Allen's brand of long and overblown so I enjoyed it quite a bit. Paul Newman and Steve McQueen are always entertaining, and it was cool to see Fred Astaire and Jennifer Jones way past their Hollywood heydays. Most of Allen's films are just spectacle, but this one bends over backward to push its controversial pro-firefighter agenda. McQueen's exasperated fire chief never passes up an opportunity to berate everyone about fire safety and prevalent fire-related ignorance. The film made me nostalgic for the disaster books that I loved as a teen.

I actually have Dead Reckoning on DVD and might pull that one out since it also has Bogart. The Towering Inferno is in my unwatched pile on BD. To be honest, I've got other Steve McQueen films to watch (mainly The Getaway).

I watched The Replacement Killers and it's a perfectly good time waster. I'm not really sure what the criticisms were but I found the film enjoyable. I guess the dialogue isn't exactly the best and Mira Sorvino and Chow Yun Fat don't really have that much chemistry together.

shadokitty
03-01-15, 10:11 PM
I watched UFC 180 earlier today, and noted one thing in particular. It seems rare for a match to last the entire amount of rounds. The combat gets so intense, 9 times out of 10, the ref stops the fight and declares a winner early.

mrcellophane
03-01-15, 10:27 PM
I actually have Dead Reckoning on DVD and might pull that one out since it also has Bogart. The Towering Inferno is in my unwatched pile on BD. To be honest, I've got other Steve McQueen films to watch (mainly The Getaway).

If given the choice between The Towering Inferno and The Getaway, I would definitely choose the latter. It's a tense, gritty crime film that has some great performances and tone.

Ash Ketchum
03-02-15, 05:27 AM
I learned from Ash Ketchum's list that Lisabeth Scott died in January. I will have to rewatch The Racket, a favorite unsung film noir. She was also very good in Dark City. I also learned that Bob O'Link watched Noah and didn't enjoy it as much as I did!



I actually have Dead Reckoning on DVD and might pull that one out since it also has Bogart.

Yeah, the Liz Scott film I watched, which I'd never seen before, was TWO OF A KIND (1951), in which Liz convinces gambler Edmond O'Brien to lose the tip of his pinky (shades of THE YAKUZA!) in order to impersonate the long-lost son of a millionaire, all to worm his way into the millionaire's life, get recognized as his lost son and reap millions in inheritance. It's a pretty ridiculous plot, but the actors are all good, it's fast-paced and only 75 min. long. Liz is the one who entices O'Brien into it and keeps him motivated to stick with it during the shaky phases of it. (The entire thing seemed pretty shaky to me and hard to believe anybody would sign on for it.) It's on Columbia's Bad Girls of Film Noir DVD set, which includes another Liz movie, a melodrama with Charlton Heston called BAD FOR EACH OTHER (1953), which is probably not eligible for this challenge, but is a fascinating movie anyway. It's always great to see Heston in one of his few b&w movies. His debut film, DARK CITY, also co-starred Scott.

There are some great Liz Scott movies that are eligible for this challenge. In addition to the ones cited above, there are THE PITFALL, TOO LATE FOR TEARS, I WALK ALONE, RED MOUNTAIN, SILVER LODE and THE STRANGE LOVE OF MARTHA IVERS (her first--which also has Barbara Stanwyck, Kirk Douglas and Van Heflin!). Oh, and this one, the "color noir," DESERT FURY (1947):

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8615/16322948458_4d231d75c4.jpg

Burt Lancaster is in it, 5th billed, as the hunky, good-hearted boy-next-door deputy sheriff. Liz ignores him in favor of sleazebag John Hodiak, who has a jealous sidekick played by snarling Wendell Corey. Mary Astor (THE MALTESE FALCON) plays Liz's mother, a gambling house proprietor in Nevada. Miklos Rozsa did the music. Unforgettable.

shadokitty
03-02-15, 08:58 AM
I just found out that apparently nature shows can count as adventures. At least by Netflix. I just watched Search for the Great Sharks: IMAX as I saw it listed under the heading of exciting movies.

davidh777
03-02-15, 11:06 AM
I'm sure they will like it. It gets more interesting the more episodes you watch. I will say that I liked the first two seasons better than the third but it was still good.

We watched two more episodes last night. :up:

A coworker talked me into watching S1 some time back. I found it "OK" but *just* OK and didn't bother going on to S2 but it's been too long for me to be able to outline just what didn't work for me. At this point all I really recall is that I just didn't find it compelling enough to continue viewing beyond season 1.

I saw season 1 and thought there was some good stuff in it, but it didn't grab me the way I'd hoped. I might go on to S2 someday.

After that and continuing into today, I am catching up on season 4 of Game of Thrones on HBOGo.

This is definitely on my list. :up:

I took a break from the Martial Arts movies, to watch the rest of the episodes of Agent Carter series. Uneven first season but I'm hoping for a 2nd one since I like Hayley Atwell and the character of Peggy Carter.

I'd like to catch up on this series but I'm doing a poor job of staying current on TV shows I watch by myself rather than with the family. Two episodes behind on The Walking Dead, only three episodes into Agent Carter and one into 12 Monkeys. And they all qualify! :brickwl2:

sleepyhead55
03-02-15, 11:37 AM
Yeah, the Liz Scott film I watched, which I'd never seen before, was TWO OF A KIND (1951), in which Liz convinces gambler Edmond O'Brien to lose the tip of his pinky (shades of THE YAKUZA!) in order to impersonate the long-lost son of a millionaire, all to worm his way into the millionaire's life, get recognized as his lost son and reap millions in inheritance. It's a pretty ridiculous plot, but the actors are all good, it's fast-paced and only 75 min. long. Liz is the one who entices O'Brien into it and keeps him motivated to stick with it during the shaky phases of it. (The entire thing seemed pretty shaky to me and hard to believe anybody would sign on for it.) It's on Columbia's Bad Girls of Film Noir DVD set, which includes another Liz movie, a melodrama with Charlton Heston called BAD FOR EACH OTHER (1953), which is probably not eligible for this challenge, but is a fascinating movie anyway. It's always great to see Heston in one of his few b&w movies. His debut film, DARK CITY, also co-starred Scott.

There are some great Liz Scott movies that are eligible for this challenge. In addition to the ones cited above, there are THE PITFALL, TOO LATE FOR TEARS, I WALK ALONE, RED MOUNTAIN, SILVER LODE and THE STRANGE LOVE OF MARTHA IVERS (her first--which also has Barbara Stanwyck, Kirk Douglas and Van Heflin!). Oh, and this one, the "color noir," DESERT FURY (1947):

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8615/16322948458_4d231d75c4.jpg

Burt Lancaster is in it, 5th billed, as the hunky, good-hearted boy-next-door deputy sheriff. Liz ignores him in favor of sleazebag John Hodiak, who has a jealous sidekick played by snarling Wendell Corey. Mary Astor (THE MALTESE FALCON) plays Liz's mother, a gambling house proprietor in Nevada. Miklos Rozsa did the music. Unforgettable.

I also have Desert Fury on DVD and will probably watch it now that you recommended it. Most of the reviews I've read seem to mention and focus on the lesbian overtones. I also have Yakuza and will probably watch that at some point as well.

I found a bunch of Lizbeth Scott films on Youtube so if anyone is interested in her films they can go there to watch it.

Ash Ketchum
03-02-15, 11:38 AM
Five Venoms
This movie is considered as one of the classics of Kung Fu cinema. It was highly influential in western pop culture. Having said that, I have always felt this movie was highly overrated. The concept is perfect but the execution feels off. Trying to find out who the "venoms" are, plays more like a mystery than a Martial Arts movie.

The same Dragon Dynasty that botched the "The 36th Chamber of Shaolin" on Blu-ray, actually came up with a strong release for this movie. PQ was really good and sounds was okay with a lossy 2.0 DD. The commentary with Bey Logan is very good and informative.

For some reason THE FIVE VENOMS really took off with 42nd Street audiences back in the day and to this day, people still refer to the actors by their Venom names, Lizard, Toad, Centipede, Scorpion, et al. I tend to only know the actors by their real names and have been unable to connect them with their Venom names, so when they say "Lizard," I'm not sure who the hell they're talking about until I look it up and see that it's Kuo Chui.

In any event, the five actors making up the Venoms went on to do a whole series of exemplary kung fu films with director Chang Cheh, most of which I enjoy more than FIVE VENOMS, e.g. INVINCIBLE SHAOLIN, REBEL INTRUDERS, THE KID WITH THE GOLDEN ARM, SHAOLIN RESCUERS, DAREDEVILS OF KUNG FU, etc. I've reviewed a lot of these on IMDB as well.

BobO'Link
03-02-15, 12:47 PM
...I also learned that Bob O'Link watched Noah and didn't enjoy it as much as I did!...
I was about to ask just *who* you've been talking to as I've only discussed the movie with a couple of local people when I remembered I put my rating in my list last night! :lol:

But you are correct, at least partially - I didn't care for Noah as a "Biblical Epic." I recently purchased a copy of Noah in spite of so-so reviews. I tend to like Biblical Epics, even the "bad" ones, so thought it would be OK anyway. IMDB lists is at "Action/Adventure/Drama" - cool! It qualifies so I don't have to wait for the Historical Challenge.

It wasn't all that "bad" but I don't know if I'd truly consider it a Biblical Epic which is mainly due to how the subject matter was treated. OK... so the story of Noah's Ark is rather short with little background information making it somewhat difficult to bring to the screen without *some* embellishment. I accept that as most (all?) such films have varying levels of embellishment to get a good running length. Noah went to the "what if" well of thinking a few times too many and altered several events of the story too much to still be a fairly accurate Biblical Epic. That's because it combines many of the flood accounts which alters some key aspects of the Jewish version of the story (which is what I think put off the majority of Christian viewers). In spite of this it has some good imagery and is a fairly good action movie. It's just not the Biblical accounting of Noah many were expecting which is what I feel hurt its box office and general appeal. My rating was based on the "Biblical Epic" aspect. If it had been called something other than Noah or I were to view it strictly as a "Action/Adventure" film I'd give it a higher rating.

BobO'Link
03-02-15, 02:09 PM
And... Noah was the first of 3 films dealing with some legend/myth I watched yesterday that came up wanting. The other two are Robin Hood (2010) and The Legend of Hercules (2014).

Robin Hood, like Noah, is not a "bad" film but it's not really what it appears to be. Instead of a retelling of the legend we all know parts have been changed (reimagined) for no reason other than to put new ownership on the story. I watched the Director's Cut. Frankly by the time the film ended and we get the payoff I felt somewhat cheated on the Robin Hood front.

Robin is *not* born "Robin of Loxley" but is lowborn (Robin Longstride) and given the title due to a series of events.
King Richard is killed on the way home from the Crusades so there the populace is in revolt while awaiting his return.
King John is still mostly reprehensible but not the villain of old. In a way he's a buffoon.
Maid Marion is *not* a "maid" but married to the true Loxley (Robert - not Robin) who was killed in a ambush while returning Richard's crown to London following the King's death thus involving Robin and friends who just happened to come across the dying Loxley right after the ambush.

At the end of the film we find that Robin is now

Robin of Loxley and we've been watching a new origin tale!

I felt ripped off as I saw this coming as soon as Robin met Sir Walter Loxley.

Once again, it was a very good Action/Adventure movie with a stellar cast but it's *not* "Robin Hood." I expected more considering the names involved and perhaps that's why I feel a bit cheated.

The Legend of Hercules has little in common with *any* of the Hercules tales other than that he's the son of Zeus (actually with the name Heracles) by the mortal woman Alcmene. Amphitryon (his "father") is made out to be somewhat of a tyrant and Alcmene sleeps with Zeus out of spite and hatred (she actually honored him) towards the womanizing Amphitryon (who was faithful) rather than Zeus being in disguise as Amphitryon thus tricking her into bed while Amphitryon is avenging her brother's deaths. It's *another* "reimagined" origin story.

I frequently felt like I was watching another of those films from "The Asylum" intended to rip off a better film released that same year. The action was mostly bad and over-utilized 300 style slow motion in spurts. A attack would start out fast, slow down for a second, pick back up, slow down for another second, pick back up, etc., etc. The story was trite and cliche throughout with horrible lines and poor acting. Hercules *did* slay the Nemean Lion (although in somewhat altered form) in the only one of the "Twelve Labours" in the film but it was horribly done with a laughably bad CGI lion. I wish I had heeded the reviews better on this one!

I still have the Dwayne Johnson Hercules film in the queue... I hope it's better... but based on reviews it sounds like another rough slog...

shadokitty
03-02-15, 02:52 PM
I wanted to like Spartacus: Blood and Sand when I turned on the show on Netflix this morning, but ended up turning it off. I saw no real plot, wooden acting, and lots of blood, and that was all.

shadokitty
03-02-15, 02:53 PM
If anyone who has Prime is interested, I see there are a lot of Ninja movies on Prime.

omike
03-02-15, 04:34 PM
I learned from Ash Ketchum's list that Lisabeth Scott died in January. I will have to rewatch The Racket, a favorite unsung film noir.

I just happened to watch The Racket last night because I wanted some cops and robbers action and this one seemed to fit the bill. I thought it was pretty good with Robert Ryan's performance as the old fashioned, violent gangster making the movie for me. There's also a strong supporting cast including an appealing Lisabeth Scott as a singer and a great performance by William Conrad as a rumpled, sleazy investigator. It provided just what I wanted to wrap up my Sunday viewing.

I think I love Hollywoodland but must admit biases.


I love all things comic book.
I love real life crime films.
I saw it soon after seeing Chasing Amy and was at my probable peak Affleck appreciation.


I also watched this yesterday and it's probably the most interesting thing I've seen so far in this challenge. I'm a big George Reeves fan and I was initially disappointed that there was so much Louis Simo, the fictional detective investigating the death, and so little George. By the end I realized that Louis was actually the main character and the Reeves case was acting like a mirror to his own life. Looking at it this way it turned out to be a very good film and I need to watch it again with this in mind. That said, I still would have like more about Reeves especially since Ben Affleck did a great job portraying him.

shadokitty
03-02-15, 06:54 PM
I watched my first episode of The Adventures of Superman for the challenge earlier today. George Reeves has probably got to be the best Superman. Too bad he didn't enjoy portraying him more, but I guess he felt typecast into the role.

LorenzoL
03-02-15, 07:10 PM
For some reason THE FIVE VENOMS really took off with 42nd Street audiences back in the day and to this day, people still refer to the actors by their Venom names, Lizard, Toad, Centipede, Scorpion, et al. I tend to only know the actors by their real names and have been unable to connect them with their Venom names, so when they say "Lizard," I'm not sure who the hell they're talking about until I look it up and see that it's Kuo Chui.

In any event, the five actors making up the Venoms went on to do a whole series of exemplary kung fu films with director Chang Cheh, most of which I enjoy more than FIVE VENOMS, e.g. INVINCIBLE SHAOLIN, REBEL INTRUDERS, THE KID WITH THE GOLDEN ARM, SHAOLIN RESCUERS, DAREDEVILS OF KUNG FU, etc. I've reviewed a lot of these on IMDB as well.
I would love to read some of the reviews that you done for the Shaw movies. Any links?

LorenzoL
03-02-15, 07:34 PM
The 8 Diagram Pole Fighter
Even with a great performance by Gordon Liu, this movie is all about what could have been. During production, the star Fu Sheng died in a car accident which resulted in a rewrite and delay as the movie focus changed from Fu Sheng "6th Brother" character to Gordon Liu's "5th Brother" character. The change in tone is noticeable but Lau Kar-leung does a good job in paying tribute to his star last role. And unlike other Lau Kar-leung movies, this one lacks humour. It might have been the tragic death of Fu Sheng but there's no comic relief in sight and it seems like we stumbled upon a Chang Cheh movie. Even the ending is stoic and somber as Gordon Liu's character walks off up to the mountain...
I found Lili Li great as the Matriarch of the Yang family along with Kara Hui and even a cameo by the director himself as a hunter. Great sequence of "Defanging the wolves" and it contains great pole fighting sequences.

I watched the Dragon Dynasty DVD which has a decent PQ and AQ however, they screwed up in providing only the Mandarin mono instead of the Cantonese as it was originally released. The iTunes release is on 1080p and has the Cantonese track on their Celestial release. However, no English Dub.

Ash Ketchum
03-02-15, 07:51 PM
The 8 Diagram Pole Fighter
Even with a great performance by Gordon Liu, this movie is all about what could have been. During production, the star Fu Sheng died in a car accident which resulted in a rewrite and delay as the movie focus changed from Fu Sheng "6th Brother" character to Gordon Liu's "5th Brother" character. The change in tone is noticeable but Lau Kar-leung does a good job in paying tribute to his star last role. And unlike other Lau Kar-leung movies, this one lacks humour. It might have been the tragic death of Fu Sheng but there's no comic relief in sight and it seems like we stumbled upon a Chang Cheh movie. Even the ending is stoic and somber as [b]Gordon Liu's character walks off up to the mountain...
I found Lili Li great as the Matriarch of the Yang family along with Kara Hui and even a cameo by the director himself as a hunter. Great sequence of "Defanging the wolves" and it contains great pole fighting sequences.

I watched the Dragon Dynasty DVD which has a decent PQ and AQ however, they screwed up in providing only the Mandarin mono instead of the Cantonese as it was originally released. The iTunes release is on 1080p and has the Cantonese track on their Celestial release. However, no English Dub.

I consider this one to be the greatest kung fu movie of them all (with 36TH CHAMBER a close second). There's a tragic tone throughout and impending total collapse, destruction, and madness, a sense of no turning back. Sort of a metaphor for the end of the reign of great kung fu movies as the industry turned to Tsui Hark-style wire fu the same year (with Tsui Hark's ZU WARRIORS) or Jackie Chan-style stunt action and comedy, a la PROJECT A, also the same year. Lau Kar Leung never made another film on this level.

For the record, Fu Sheng's death on July 7, 1983 came ten years to the month after Bruce Lee's.

BobO'Link
03-03-15, 02:58 AM
I watched my first episode of The Adventures of Superman for the challenge earlier today. George Reeves has probably got to be the best Superman. Too bad he didn't enjoy portraying him more, but I guess he felt typecast into the role.
IMHO The Adventures of Superman is the *best* Superman put to film. The casting is perfect with only Lois being changed and both ladies in the role were great. While I prefer Noel Neill I also like the no-nonsence approach used with the Plyllis Coates version. For my generation Reeves *is* Superman - all others are pretenders to the throne. :)

omike
03-03-15, 09:53 AM
Not surprisingly, I agree with both of you about George Reeves. One of the things I really began to appreciate as I grew older was his Clark Kent. Kent was a competent, tough minded reporter. He might duck out when danger got too close but you could see how he could keep his job with a great metropolitan newspaper.

shadokitty
03-03-15, 10:20 AM
I've got the 80s Ninja trilogy to watch this month now too. I bought Enter the Ninja and rented Revenge of the Ninja on Amazon Instant Video. I also bought the Blu Ray Combo pack of Ninja III. On top of that, I have some kaiju as well. Bought the Blu ray of the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, replaced my copy of Mothra, as well as buying the Gamera Legacy Collection, to replace my missing Gamera films. As for my missing Godzilla films, I've found them all on various online sources to watch on my Roku 3.

mrcellophane
03-03-15, 10:27 AM
I was about to ask just *who* you've been talking to as I've only discussed the movie with a couple of local people when I remembered I put my rating in my list last night! :lol:

But you are correct, at least partially - I didn't care for Noah as a "Biblical Epic." I recently purchased a copy of Noah in spite of so-so reviews. I tend to like Biblical Epics, even the "bad" ones, so thought it would be OK anyway. IMDB lists is at "Action/Adventure/Drama" - cool! It qualifies so I don't have to wait for the Historical Challenge.

It wasn't all that "bad" but I don't know if I'd truly consider it a Biblical Epic which is mainly due to how the subject matter was treated. OK... so the story of Noah's Ark is rather short with little background information making it somewhat difficult to bring to the screen without *some* embellishment. I accept that as most (all?) such films have varying levels of embellishment to get a good running length. Noah went to the "what if" well of thinking a few times too many and altered several events of the story too much to still be a fairly accurate Biblical Epic. That's because it combines many of the flood accounts which alters some key aspects of the Jewish version of the story (which is what I think put off the majority of Christian viewers). In spite of this it has some good imagery and is a fairly good action movie. It's just not the Biblical accounting of Noah many were expecting which is what I feel hurt its box office and general appeal. My rating was based on the "Biblical Epic" aspect. If it had been called something other than Noah or I were to view it strictly as a "Action/Adventure" film I'd give it a higher rating.

Well, the CEO of my company helped me set up an elaborate system that allows me to spy on everyone via cellphones and... science.

I think your problem with the film is the reason for the filmís lackluster reception and dismal domestic box office. I watched Noah with a Christian friend who was not very enthusiastic. Afterward, we tried to puzzle out for what audience the film was intended. The overt Biblical ties alienate some of the secular crowd and some Darren Aronofsky fans (included several friends), but (as you pointed out) it strays so far from Biblical text that I cannot imagine Christians enjoyed the film or telling friends to see it.

We finally came to the realization that I may be the target audience of the film. I grew up Pentecostal but havenít identified as Christian for the last ten years. I loved the Noah story as a kid, but now I donít have any fealty to the Bible and wasnít expecting a Biblical epic. Iím also a sucker for the fantasy genre as well as anything critiquing the idea of a religious calling. So Iím sitting there thinking, Gritty reboot of Noah? Awesome! Fallen rock angels? Sign me up! A fallen pre-industrial (maybe?) society descending into barbarism? Hells, yeah! My friend is beside me thinking, Why? What? This isnít the Bible!

mrcellophane
03-03-15, 11:02 AM
IMHO The Adventures of Superman is the *best* Superman put to film. The casting is perfect with only Lois being changed and both ladies in the role were great. While I prefer Noel Neill I also like the no-nonsence approach used with the Plyllis Coates version. For my generation Reeves *is* Superman - all others are pretenders to the throne. :)

I agree that George Reeves is perfect as Superman and Clark Kent. I'm planning to finish the second season of The Adventures of Superman this month. Gosh, I have a lot to get through!

As a kid of the '90s and an avid television watcher, Dean Cain is my default Superman. I know; don't judge. '90s kids are weird creatures. While Cain is soundly bested by George Reeves and Christopher Reeve, the supporting cast of Lois & Clark so perfectly embodies the characters for me. I want my Perry White obsessed with Elvis, my Jimmy Olsen adorably unlucky-in-love, and my Lois Lane "Hatcher-esque" in her antics. (However, I absolutely love the Dana Delaney-voiced Lois Lane from Superman: The Animated Series. She's smart, stylish, and driven.)

BobO'Link
03-03-15, 11:46 AM
Well, the CEO of my company helped me set up an elaborate system that allows me to spy on everyone via cellphones and... science.

I think your problem with the film is the reason for the filmís lackluster reception and dismal domestic box office. I watched Noah with a Christian friend who was not very enthusiastic. Afterward, we tried to puzzle out for what audience the film was intended. The overt Biblical ties alienate some of the secular crowd and some Darren Aronofsky fans (included several friends), but (as you pointed out) it strays so far from Biblical text that I cannot imagine Christians enjoyed the film or telling friends to see it.

We finally came to the realization that I may be the target audience of the film. I grew up Pentecostal but havenít identified as Christian for the last ten years. I loved the Noah story as a kid, but now I donít have any fealty to the Bible and wasnít expecting a Biblical epic. Iím also a sucker for the fantasy genre as well as anything critiquing the idea of a religious calling. So Iím sitting there thinking, Gritty reboot of Noah? Awesome! Fallen rock angels? Sign me up! A fallen pre-industrial (maybe?) society descending into barbarism? Hells, yeah! My friend is beside me thinking, Why? What? This isnít the Bible!
I agree. I don't think any thought was given to the target audience. Almost as if they were trying to please everyone who might attend, and if that's so, did they *truly* believe they'd get away with it? If they'd have changed the name to "The Flood," given the characters (especially Noah and his family) different names, and left out the *direct* Biblical references (basically combine all other sources much as they did with the flood portion) I think they'd have had better box office and a very good fantasy/action film. It was actually *little* things that got me most:

While not directly mentioned, the Bible implies *everyone* was a vegetarian before the flood and animals were given to everyone for food after the flood. No battles over meat and no strip-mined land - it was fertile.

Watchers (i.e. Fallen Angels) as Rock creatures. Yes, Fallen Angels supposedly slept with human women and created a race of "giants" (the Nephilim). The flood was sent as much to wipe out the Nephilim as well as the "evil of mankind." Noah was found to be righteous and then selected to save humanity. He had no doubt as to what he was doing although it took him some time to resolve himself with the task.

That leads us to wives for Shem, Ham and Japheth. They *had* wives when they went into the arc. There was no twin birth to supply wives for Ham and Japheth although there *is* mention of Shem's wife having sons while on the arc. She was also not barren and magically healed by Methuselah.

Noah and his family went into the arc *7 days* before the rains started. There was no "last minute" rush and battle with those outside the arc although I'm sure there were many who attempted to gain entry once it became apparent Noah was right and those outside would drown.

Itís unclear in the Bible if Tubal-Cain even lives in the time of Noah, and there is definitely no mention of any stowaways on the ark. If he *did* live during those times Tubal-cain died in the flood like everyone else.

Lemech, Noahís father, died when Noah was 595 years old, not when Noah was a teen and *not* by Tubal-cain's hand.

We see Shem and Japheth covering Noah after he'd become drunk but no explanation is given that he was the first vintner and *why* it was "bad" that Ham saw his father "naked." There's lots of speculation here but the scene needed more in the film. As it was it had no meaning.

So, yeah, lots of little things that add up to a non-Biblical Biblical Epic. Still it *did* have numerous Biblical references which were good and produced very well. They just needed to decide just *who* they were making the film for and modify it to fit that audience rather than try to please everyone. I still think they'd have done better to be *more* accurate and combine all the creation and flood stories rather than make changes which seemed to be in place simply to make a more "exciting" film.

shadokitty
03-03-15, 02:03 PM
I've got a terrible head cold today. Other than when I have to spend time with family, I'm just going to lay in bed and veg in front of the TV, a fair portion of which will be challenge content.

LorenzoL
03-03-15, 04:29 PM
Dirty Ho
Compared to the previous Lau Kar-leung that I discussed, this one has humour even in its title. Very thin plot about a heir to the throne in hiding and disguise, trying to find out, who's plotting to kill him with the help of a thief. Gordon Liu and Wong Yue are great together and have excellent chemistry in their roles as teacher and student. Humour abound throughout the whole movie and the fighting sequences are phenomenal specially while trying to hide that they are actually fighting. Also Kara Hui "defending" Gordon Liu's character as a bodyguard is great.

Two sequences that stand out for me are Ho fight with 4 "Crippled" fighters that seems like a homage/spoof of the "Crippled Avengers" and Ho fight with the 7 Bitters which seemed characters from the movie "Mr. Vampire".

ntnon
03-03-15, 07:22 PM
I agree. I don't think any thought was given to the target audience. Almost as if they were trying to please everyone who might attend, and if that's so, did they *truly* believe they'd get away with it?
It's almost laudable that there have been quite a few BIG, expensive films that have either done poorly (or, at least, 'not as well as hoped') almost entirely because the people involved seemed to ignore the basic question of "who will watch this?" (And "what do THEY want to see?)

Lone Ranger. John Carter (of Mars). Superman Returns. Noah. Even Jonah Hex, The (other) Avengers, Catwoman and other "adaptations" that have played fast-and-loose with the material the built-in audience want to see adapted and thus isolated their key/only audience...

It's almost a good thing because it suggests a certain possibility of "art for art's sake" and creative vision. Or - in probably more cases - a total disregard for material/audiences; a cavalier/insulting approach to audiences and a fundamental disconnect between the makers and viewers of films.

Still, it's interesting, odd and sometimes tentatively good that in some cases there seems to be a proper belief that a good film will find an audience, and shouldn't pander to/chase one. Which isn't foolproof, but offers a faint glimmer of hope amid sequels, reboots, remakes and big screen adverts for toys.*



*All of which can ALSO produce good films, but many of which start with a problematic mindset of money, money and product placement.

LorenzoL
03-03-15, 07:58 PM
Pedicab Driver
First time watching this as I stumble upon a complete version on Youtube with decent PQ and English subs and provided me with a nice break from the Shaw movies. I watched it on TV via my Youtube app on my Apple TV.

I have seen other Sammo Hung movies but this one is truly a gem! A combination of a love story/action/tragedy and humour, this one had it all and did not disappoint. Is the plot relevant? Yes, to move the action along. I have to give credit to Sammo as a man his size, should not move the way he does. His tussle with Lau Kar-leung and the end fight with Billy Chow are truly classic. No wonder, Jet Li picked Chow to be his main bad guy on "Fist of Legend". Plus the addition of the Star Wars and Three Stooges gag made me laugh hard. Lots of cameos from other HK actors/directors too. BTW, I was wondering why Sammo gave Yuen Biao such a small role and wasn't fighting much until I realized later that it wasn't Yuen Biao but Mang Hoi in the movie. The man has an uncanny resemblance to Yuen.

So my rant, which I'll repeat throughout this challenge, is why can't I purchase a decent copy of this movie and have to resort to Youtube to watch it? Freaking ridiculous!!!

caligulathegod
03-03-15, 08:03 PM
The only way to really approach Noah is to watch it as a modern Harryhousen film. His films had about as much to do with Greek/Arab mythology as Noah did to the Bible. Problem was the marketing wanted to sell it to the Passion of the Christ audience instead of the Harryhausen audience.

shadokitty
03-03-15, 10:38 PM
All this talk about historical action prompted me to open up my Dogfights set. I just finished the 'Air Ambush' episode, about renowned and great Fighter Ace, Robin Olds, in one of his most important battles during Vietnam. It even showed one of his WW2 Dogfights in his P-38 against a flight on ME-109s.

LJG765
03-04-15, 02:18 AM
One of my friends gave me Big Hero 6 for my birthday, so I decided to watch that tonight. I really enjoyed it. I really didn't know much about it-I had watched one or two of the longer trailers where it was just a couple minutes of the movie, and that was about it. I was very surprised when about 20 minutes into it, I totally teared up. I admit to tearing up towards the end as well, though I did see the end coming.


That Baymax was a robot and his personality would be downloaded.

I can see why it won the Oscar over How to Train Your Dragon 2 and Boxtrolls (the only other nominees in that category I watched.)

shadokitty
03-04-15, 05:40 AM
I'm starting early today, as I want to watch a marathon of eligible content today.

Ash Ketchum
03-04-15, 07:14 AM
SALUTE TO THE MARINES, with its combat scenes set in the Philippines, prompted me to dig out other WWII films about action in the Philippines and last night I watched AMERICAN GUERRILLA IN THE PHILIPPINES (1950), which benefits from location filming in the Philippines and a large cast of Filipinos in the supporting roles. It doesn't have much action, though, and suffers from somewhat dispirited direction by Fritz Lang. The film could have used a location-savvy Fox contract director like Henry King or Henry Hathaway. Lang seemed wrong for this.

Up next: BATAAN, BACK TO BATAAN, THEY WERE EXPENDABLE.

shadokitty
03-04-15, 07:28 AM
I started the day with Peplum. I just finished a great Gordon Scott film, Samson and the 7 Miracles of the World. I wonder if this was a TV series, or a series of movies, because it was all one story, dealing with the seventh miracle.

BobO'Link
03-04-15, 10:10 AM
Yesterday was another day of mixed fare... I started with S7 of Monk. My grandson came in as I was starting a episode and really liked the show. He thought Monk was a hoot and told me "He's more OCD than *you* pa!" Whew! Dodged the bullet on that one... :D

I moved on to movies after 4 episodes and finally watched Shatter (1974) from Hammer Productions. I got this film in a Anchor Bay "Two-fer" along with The Abominable Snowman, the film which prompted the purchase. I'd never heard of this one so went into it essentially blind knowing only that IMDB classifies it as "Action/Drama." I'd thought it odd that a non-horror was paired with TAS but the price was right and I wanted a *pressed* copy of TAS. It was "OK" but *just* "OK." I did some reading about the title and found it was done with The Shaw Brothers. That explains why the action sequences were pretty good but I thought Stuart Whitman was a bit mis-cast in the role of Shatter (and the "theme" song is pretty grating). I laughed several times over the SFX of bullet wounds/impacts because they were so fake looking as well as a bit "over-the-top" even for such a film. The fake blood works much better in Hammer's horror films than it does here. I don't know that I'll ever bother with this one again but it was a freebie of sorts so that's OK.

I followed that with Charlie Chan and the Curse of the Dragon Queen (1981). It was actually a theatrical release but to watch it you'd think it was a really bad made-for-TV film. The copy I have is "Academy Ratio" (i.e. "modified to fit your screen" which made me laugh as that quaint announcement is now totally wrong if viewing on a WS set) rather than the original WS but because of it feeling like a made-for-TV film it's not distracting. I don't think I saw a single scene that felt "cramped" or like something was missing on the sides. With only a couple of exceptions the entire cast consists of TV veterans or TV actors looking to break into "real" movies (Michelle Pfiefer succeeded). Peter Ustinov and Roddy McDowell were the high points of the film with the best lines and sequences. Unfortunately there were not on screen often leaving Richard Hatch, playing Charlie Chan's grandson, to carry most of the film. He was *not* up to the task but in fairness was given a trite, cliche, script with just about every "comedy" trope ever put on film included. It frequently felt like it was trying to be a Pink Panther film but with Chan as the name. Brian Keith was on hand as the foul mouthed Police Chief with more bad lines and acting. His character was a constant fount of profanity which felt like it was tacked on to get the film the PG rating and hopefully better box office. This thing is a total dog of a film. I should have heeded the reviews and not purchased a copy! That thing left such a sour taste that I *need* to watch some *real* Charlie Chan films to get it out!

Man... I've *got* to get a "good" film in! OK... in all fairness Noah and Robin Hood weren't *that* bad, just not what I was expecting. But still, it's pretty sad when most of the films I've watched would fit better in next month's challenge!

shadokitty
03-04-15, 10:19 AM
Man... I've *got* to get a "good" film in! OK... in all fairness Noah and Robin Hood weren't *that* bad, just not what I was expecting. But still, it's pretty sad when most of the films I've watched would fit better in next month's challenge!

I didn't watch it, but I saw Noah was on one of the Epix channels yeterday.

I just finished 3 episodes, and an entire disc of binging by watching Disc 2 of Season 1 of Dogfights. As an avid flight simmer, and general aviation buff, I'm finding it a very good show. So far I've seen shows ranging from WW2 to Vietnam, with one Korean War episode included.

BobO'Link
03-04-15, 10:21 AM
The only way to really approach Noah is to watch it as a modern Harryhousen film. His films had about as much to do with Greek/Arab mythology as Noah did to the Bible. Problem was the marketing wanted to sell it to the Passion of the Christ audience instead of the Harryhausen audience.
That's a pretty fair assessment of the film. The marketing comment also goes back to it needing a different title. Simply calling it "Noah" most assuredly speaks to the Passion of the Christ audience and implies it's a Biblical Epic, something it really isn't. But as a "modern Harryhausen" film it works.

shadokitty
03-04-15, 10:40 AM
I don't know how widely available it is on other carriers, but Dish has a great channel for this challenge. I'm referring to the El Rey Channel. There is a lot of Shaw Brothers, as well as other action movies and series. An example is Miami Vice and Dark Angel.

ntnon
03-04-15, 12:53 PM
Yesterday was another day of mixed fare... I started with S7 of Monk. My grandson came in as I was starting a episode and really liked the show. He thought Monk was a hoot and told me "He's more OCD than *you* pa!" Whew! Dodged the bullet on that one... :D

You need that T-shirted: "Less OCD than Monk". ;)

Ash Ketchum
03-04-15, 01:00 PM
I started the day with Peplum. I just finished a great Gordon Scott film, Samson and the 7 Miracles of the World. I wonder if this was a TV series, or a series of movies, because it was all one story, dealing with the seventh miracle.

It was a standalone Italian movie, made on sets left over from the bigger-budgeted MARCO POLO and including one actress left over from MARCO POLO, Yoko Tani. I saw this film when I was nine years old. It was on a double bill with the Italian b&w war movie, WARRIORS FIVE, starring Jack Palance, whom I'd already seen in THE MONGOLS with Anita Ekberg. It was the first time I went to the movies by myself, without any siblings. I remember liking WARRIORS FIVE better. I've seen them both since and wrote about them on my blog on the 50th anniversary of seeing that double bill:

https://briandanacamp.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/march-10-1963-the-making-of-a-film-buff/#more-1107

shadokitty
03-04-15, 04:10 PM
It was a standalone Italian movie, made on sets left over from the bigger-budgeted MARCO POLO and including one actress left over from MARCO POLO, Yoko Tani. I saw this film when I was nine years old. It was on a double bill with the Italian b&w war movie, WARRIORS FIVE, starring Jack Palance, whom I'd already seen in THE MONGOLS with Anita Ekberg. It was the first time I went to the movies by myself, without any siblings. I remember liking WARRIORS FIVE better. I've seen them both since and wrote about them on my blog on the 50th anniversary of seeing that double bill:

https://briandanacamp.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/march-10-1963-the-making-of-a-film-buff/#more-1107

Thanks for the info. I'll have to read that blog.

BobO'Link
03-04-15, 05:44 PM
We are in the middle of a freezing rain/sleet/snow event and the grandkids will *not* be going to school tomorrow (they didn't go today either). As a result they're spending the night and I gave my grandson a selection of qualifying films to pick one for tonight:

The Avengers
The Wolverine
Pacific Rim
Transformers
Any Which Way You Can
Sea Devils
Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-out Attack
Hercules (Dwayne Johnson)
Man of Steel

He chose:
Hercules
I don't know how I feel about that...

I plan to stay home with them tomorrow and possibly Friday (depends on road conditions) and hope to get in several selections with my grandson. I also remembered I have Citizen Kane for a first time viewing, the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven (I really enjoyed the theatrical version and have read the DC is far superior), and the SE edition of The Maltese Falcon which has 2 versions of the film I've never seen: The Maltese Falcon (1931) and Satan Met a Lady (1936). I hope to get all 5 of those films in sometime over the next few days.

Dimension X
03-04-15, 05:49 PM
I don't know how widely available it is on other carriers, but Dish has a great channel for this challenge. I'm referring to the El Rey Channel. There is a lot of Shaw Brothers, as well as other action movies and series. An example is Miami Vice and Dark Angel.
A big part of what I've watched so far this month has been movies recorded off of El Rey. Great stuff. Just make sure you record it so you can fast forward through the commercials.

shadokitty
03-04-15, 06:02 PM
We are in the middle of a freezing rain/sleet/snow event and the grandkids will *not* be going to school tomorrow (they didn't go today either). As a result they're spending the night and I gave my grandson a selection of qualifying films to pick one for tonight:

The Avengers
The Wolverine
Pacific Rim
Transformers
Any Which Way You Can
Sea Devils
Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-out Attack
Hercules (Dwayne Johnson)
Man of Steel

He chose:
Hercules
I don't know how I feel about that...

I plan to stay home with them tomorrow and possibly Friday (depends on road conditions) and hope to get in several selections with my grandson. I also remembered I have Citizen Kane for a first time viewing, the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven (I really enjoyed the theatrical version and have read the DC is far superior), and the SE edition of The Maltese Falcon which has 2 versions of the film I've never seen: The Maltese Falcon (1931) and Satan Met a Lady (1936). I hope to get all 5 of those films in sometime over the next few days.

Being a kaiju fan, I would have chose Godzilla.

lrend
03-04-15, 06:21 PM
Decided to watch a movie I had recorded tonight, Babylon A.D. It was okay but I'm not sure that I would recommend it. It's a movie that I would not watch more than once.

shadokitty
03-04-15, 07:07 PM
Decided to watch a movie I had recorded tonight, Babylon A.D. It was okay but I'm not sure that I would recommend it. It's a movie that I would not watch more than once.

I tried to watch it yesterday, but turned it off after 3 minutes.

BobO'Link
03-04-15, 07:26 PM
Being a kaiju fan, I would have chose Godzilla.
That's the one I expected him to select as well as the one I wanted out of that grouping... Oh well... Maybe he'll want to watch it tomorrow. I also have copies of the newly remastered Godzilla vs. Gigan, Godzilla vs. Hedorah, and Ebirah - Horror of the Deep! in the unwatched pile. I'd *love* it if he selected any of those!
Decided to watch a movie I had recorded tonight, Babylon A.D. It was okay but I'm not sure that I would recommend it. It's a movie that I would not watch more than once.
I tried to watch it yesterday, but turned it off after 3 minutes.
Great... just the kind of thing I want to hear as I have a copy (purchased BF for $2) of the unrated extended cut in the unwatched pile. I recall almost not getting it even for that price based on reviews (all of 'em here on dvdtalk say "rent it" but the tipping point was most said it was worth a viewing anyway). You two have me regretting the purchase already...

lrend
03-04-15, 08:01 PM
That's the one I expected him to select as well as the one I wanted out of that grouping... Oh well... Maybe he'll want to watch it tomorrow. I also have copies of the newly remastered Godzilla vs. Gigan, Godzilla vs. Hedorah, and Ebirah - Horror of the Deep! in the unwatched pile. I'd *love* it if he selected any of those!

Great... just the kind of thing I want to hear as I have a copy (purchased BF for $2) of the unrated extended cut in the unwatched pile. I recall almost not getting it even for that price based on reviews (all of 'em here on dvdtalk say "rent it" but the tipping point was most said it was worth a viewing anyway). You two have me regretting the purchase already...

It wasn't the worst thing I've ever watched but it wasn't very interesting.

Ash Ketchum
03-04-15, 08:42 PM
We are in the middle of a freezing rain/sleet/snow event and the grandkids will *not* be going to school tomorrow (they didn't go today either). As a result they're spending the night and I gave my grandson a selection of qualifying films to pick one for tonight:

The Avengers
The Wolverine
Pacific Rim
Transformers
Any Which Way You Can
Sea Devils
Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-out Attack
Hercules (Dwayne Johnson)
Man of Steel

He chose:
Hercules
I don't know how I feel about that...

I plan to stay home with them tomorrow and possibly Friday (depends on road conditions) and hope to get in several selections with my grandson. I also remembered I have Citizen Kane for a first time viewing, the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven (I really enjoyed the theatrical version and have read the DC is far superior), and the SE edition of The Maltese Falcon which has 2 versions of the film I've never seen: The Maltese Falcon (1931) and Satan Met a Lady (1936). I hope to get all 5 of those films in sometime over the next few days.

If he had picked ANY WHICH WAY YOU CAN, he'd be the coolest grandson ever. Everything else on that list is a safe or easy choice for someone his age (well, except for SEA DEVILS--not sure which version you've got there). Tell him his moment of greatness eluded him. ;)

BobO'Link
03-05-15, 04:20 AM
If he had picked ANY WHICH WAY YOU CAN, he'd be the coolest grandson ever. Everything else on that list is a safe or easy choice for someone his age (well, except for SEA DEVILS--not sure which version you've got there). Tell him his moment of greatness eluded him. ;)
He showed interest in Any Which Way You Can. Enough so that I think it might be a easy one to just put on. I think it was the picture of Clyde on the cover... I'll tell him what you said. :D

Sea Devils (1953) with Yvonne De Carlo and Rock Hudson. I threw it in because I wanted a older film in the selection and am atttempting to give him a wider appreciation of film than most of his classmates have. He no longer turns up his nose simply because a film is B/W although he still tends to select color ones over B/W if there's a choice. He's learning... :)

shadokitty
03-05-15, 08:31 AM
I'm on a super hero kick right now. The last 3 things I've watched have been DC Comics. I started last night with an episode of Superfriends, followed with Superman: The Movie, and this morning I started out with an episode of Green Lantern: The Animated Series.

Trevor
03-05-15, 08:57 AM
I'm on a super hero kick right now. The last 3 things I've watched have been DC Comics. I started last night with an episode of Superfriends, followed with Superman: The Movie, and this morning I started out with an episode of Green Lantern: The Animated Series.
You'd fit right in to our current Comic Book Reading Challenge, as it is DC month.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/comic-book-talk/625386-first-annual-dvdtalk-rotating-company-comic-book-challenge-march-2015-a.html

shadokitty
03-05-15, 09:24 AM
You'd fit right in to our current Comic Book Reading Challenge, as it is DC month.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/comic-book-talk/625386-first-annual-dvdtalk-rotating-company-comic-book-challenge-march-2015-a.html

That would be the perfect opportunity for me to read my Justice Society of America comic books I got for Christmas.

Dimension X
03-05-15, 10:11 AM
You'd fit right in to our current Comic Book Reading Challenge, as it is DC month.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/comic-book-talk/625386-first-annual-dvdtalk-rotating-company-comic-book-challenge-march-2015-a.html

Who can find time to "read" comics? I clicked on Hulu the other night to catch up on Arrow, The Flash, Gotham, and Constantine. I thought I was only an episode or two (on a couple) behind. I ended up sitting up until 4 am, watching ten episodes.

BobO'Link
03-05-15, 10:41 AM
Who can find time to "read" comics? I clicked on Hulu the other night to catch up on Arrow, The Flash, Gotham, and Constantine. I thought I was only an episode or two (on a couple) behind. I ended up sitting up until 4 am, watching ten episodes.
Apparently *I* can't... I'm sitting here with almost a year's worth of backlog (roughly 16 titles per month which varies with the month as some are bi-monthly) which is mainly due to participating in the challenges. I normally read on Saturday mornings but lately have just gotten lazy about it (obviously, eh?). I tell myself I'm going to read but wind up putting in a DVD instead...

LorenzoL
03-05-15, 05:17 PM
The Legend of Drunken Master
I hate the fact that we can only watch this movie via the English dubbed/Miramax cut instead of its original version. I won't go into detail about the plot and the fighting sequences since it needs to be seen.

Shaolin Soccer
Again, Miramax made (tons of) cuts to this movie and I was able to watch the butchered version. No wonder, they hated this movie studio so much!!! Freaking Weinsteins!

BobO'Link
03-05-15, 05:58 PM
The Legend of Drunken Master
I hate the fact that we can only watch this movie via the English dubbed/Miramax cut instead of its original version. I won't go into detail about the plot and the fighting sequences since it needs to be seen.
You can! You want the Golden Harvest Company release (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FP8KP8/sr=1-1/qid=1425599048/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1425599048&sr=1-1) (amazon link). It's a all region, NTSC, Mandarin language, English subs, WS (non-anamorphic) release. camelcamelcamel (http://camelcamelcamel.com/Drunken-Master-2-Jackie-Chan/product/B004FP8KP8) shows the price goes down fairly regularly. I picked up a used copy a few years back and while it's the Golden Harvest print it has "Thakral" on the spine and the cover is a bit different being entirely in Mandarin with a little (very little) English on the back. Still it *is* Drunken Master II and that's what counts to me. :)

LorenzoL
03-05-15, 06:16 PM
You can! You want the Golden Harvest Company release (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FP8KP8/sr=1-1/qid=1425599048/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1425599048&sr=1-1) (amazon link). It's a all region, NTSC, Mandarin language, English subs, WS (non-anamorphic) release. camelcamelcamel (http://camelcamelcamel.com/Drunken-Master-2-Jackie-Chan/product/B004FP8KP8) shows the price goes down fairly regularly. I picked up a used copy a few years back and while it's the Golden Harvest print it has "Thakral" on the spine and the cover is in Mandarine with a little (very little) English on the back. Still it *is* Drunken Master II and that's what counts to me. :)
Thanks! I'll keep my eye on it until it gets back on stock.

coyoteblue
03-05-15, 07:52 PM
Shaolin Soccer
Again, Miramax made (tons of) cuts to this movie and I was able to watch the butchered version. No wonder, they hated this movie studio so much!!! Freaking Weinsteins!

If you haven't already seen them, I suggest you seek out some more of Stephen Chow's movies.

God of Cookery
From Beijing With Love
King of Beggars
Royal Tramp I
Royal Tramp II
A Chinese Odyssey Part 1
A Chinese Odyssey Part 2

My copies of A Chinese Odyssey aren't where I expected. I'll have to poke around for them.

lrend
03-05-15, 09:27 PM
Decided to watch Watchmen today. It's been years since I've seen it. I have to say I still enjoyed it.

Ash Ketchum
03-05-15, 09:41 PM
If you haven't already seen them, I suggest you seek out some more of Stephen Chow's movies.

God of Cookery
From Beijing With Love
King of Beggars
Royal Tramp I
Royal Tramp II
A Chinese Odyssey Part 1
A Chinese Odyssey Part 2

My copies of A Chinese Odyssey aren't where I expected. I'll have to poke around for them.

I would add KUNG FU HUSTLE to that list. It's my favorite Stephen Chow movie. I need to see it again--maybe for this challenge.

P.S. Here's a YouTube channel devoted to Sword 'n' Sandal movies:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmxyaTSrRBZk75lzexNA3Aw

And the quality is better than average.

shadokitty
03-06-15, 05:37 AM
I was in the mood for a documentary this morning, and since I've seen nature docs as under exciting tv on Netflix, watched an episode of Wildest Africa. To me, travelling to see the exotic animals and people brings that genre under adventure.

BobO'Link
03-06-15, 07:33 AM
Yesterday's films were, overall, better and made for a interesting day of film viewing. The grandkids were at the house and I'd stayed home due to the 6-8" of snow we got. Outside the hours playing in the snow and shovelling the drive I was able to get in these:

Hercules (2014 - Dwayne Johnson): This was actually (surprisingly) a pretty good film! Hercules is not *truly* the "Son of Zeus" in this one but a man with a legend attached to scare off enemies. He has his loyal group of friends and battle associates which include Autolycus (in this one he's Herc's friend since childhood and *not* a god), Atalanta (here a Amazonian archer), Iolaus (correctly Herc's nephew but is the storyteller who creates the myth), Tydeus, and Amphiaraus (played by Ian McShane who I always enjoy seeing in a film) (both these latter 2 were significantly changed from their Greek origins and appear only in name). Dwyane Johnson, surprisingly, is a pretty good Hercules. While they pretty much dismissed the "Half God" aspect of Hercules they *did* include, at least in small flashbacks, several of the 12 Labors with a farily good, although quick, telling of the Nemean Lion (with a *good* CGI lion). Amphiaraus driving a chariot armed with extending (actually folding out) blades through a battle field has to be seen to be believed! In spite of being another "Myth" film that played fast and loose with the mythology, it was fun, full of well-done action sequences, and humurous lines. My grandson surprised me by knowing, and naming, those of the 12 Labors shown so I asked, and yes, they'd recently studied Greek Mythology in class. If you approach this one like you would the Hercules: The Legendary Journeys TV series you'll have a good time.

Babylon A.D. (2008) - I watched the "Unrated extended cut" of the film which I've read fleshes things out better. I went into this one with a bit of trepedation. It certainly didn't help the situation when the "theme" was a horrible rap "song." I had to FF through this part as it was truly bad (but I do *not* like rap either) and didn't add anything to the film. If the lyrics were significant that's just too bad as the "art form" truly turns me off. So... after that rough start it actually got a better. My biggest gripe is the ending which felt like yet another attempt at setting up a franchise. When will film makers give us a *good* film that's not a obvious setup for sequels? I found it to be better than what I was expecting and *may* watch this again as it *does* have some very good fight/action sequences.

Citizen Kane (1941) - A classic, BUT not my type of film. Keep in mind that while I've heard about this one all my adult life this was the first time I've seen the film. I found it to be mostly a huge bore. The opening sequence, done as a Hollywood Newsreel, went on far too long, completely turned me off, and actually gave me all the information on Kane I needed/wanted leaving the rest of the film feeling somewhat redundant. Being done "documentary" style with *lots* of flashbacks was also annoying and all the while the interviewer was *only* interested in learning what "Rosebud" meant. Even if I didn't know going in I'd have been past the point of caring when the reveal was made. If the film is truly a veiled attack on William Randolph Hearst it's one that, to me, is pretty much lost in history and one I'd have not gotten even in college as I don't follow "celebrities." I didn't find the character of Charles Foster Kane all that interesting. OK... that's mostly the negative. Here's what I found good: The acting was superb, the photography and lighting was excellent, splendid sets, and some of the best aging makeup I've ever seen. Joseph Cotten was good but not quite as good as Wells (to be expected) but not once with Wells' performance did I feel like I was watching a young person made up to be a old man. It's also impressive in that it was Wells' directorial debut. But that's not enough for me to suffer a repeat veiwing.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
03-06-15, 10:28 AM
I watched the Rifftrax of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles last night.

Of the regular version of the film, I only made it through the intro when the narrator said the Foot Clan was named such because they didn't care about the innocent people they stepped over in the city.

I can now say I've made it past that and at the very least, if this was the ninja turtle movie I got as a kid instead, I would have been disappointed after a few viewings.

sleepyhead55
03-06-15, 01:05 PM
I watched Sorcerer yesterday and loved that film. First of all, the film looks absolutely gorgeous on Bluray. The film was a little different than The Wages of Fear. The characters in Sorcerer seemed a bit more desperate. Some really tense senses especially the ones in the jungle.

I also watched Executive Decision last night on youtube. I found it a bit boring. It's not a bad film but it's kinda like a documentary and not very exciting.

I have to watch less 1970s films. It seems like I've watched a bunch of them lately.

Trevor
03-06-15, 01:17 PM
Tried to watch Raiders last night, to 'show support for Harrison Ford", but either my xbox one, hdmi cable, or TV is on the fritz.

davidh777
03-06-15, 02:01 PM
I've been pretty much screwing the pooch with this challenge so far. I hope to pick things up when I'm less busy next week. -ohbfrank-

I also watched Executive Decision last night on youtube. I found it a bit boring. It's not a bad film but it's kinda like a documentary and not very exciting.

The Kurt Russell movie? I always liked it, but it's been a while, and it's probably a different experience post-9/11.

Tried to watch Raiders last night, to 'show support for Harrison Ford", but either my xbox one, hdmi cable, or TV is on the fritz.

Out of those options, I vote for the cable.

sleepyhead55
03-06-15, 02:27 PM
I've been pretty much screwing the pooch with this challenge so far. I hope to pick things up when I'm less busy next week. -ohbfrank-



The Kurt Russell movie? I always liked it, but it's been a while, and it's probably a different experience post-9/11.


Oops, brain fart on my part. It's actually Executive Action. But I also have Executive Decision on BD and still haven't watched it.

I watched Raiders for the Oscar challenge (for the first time) and loved it. I might want to watch Temple of Doom for this challenge but I don't really remember enjoying it when I was a kid and the film was long

shadokitty
03-06-15, 02:41 PM
Tried to watch Raiders last night, to 'show support for Harrison Ford", but either my xbox one, hdmi cable, or TV is on the fritz.

I like Indiana Jones, but don't own any on DVD or BD. Are they available to stream?

Trevor
03-06-15, 02:45 PM
I like Indiana Jones, but don't own any on DVD or BD. Are they available to stream?
I think Vudu sells them. No on Netflix, just checked last night. I forget if Amazon Video sold them, but they aren't Prime.

davidh777
03-06-15, 03:01 PM
Indiana Jones is fairly new to digital services so they don't want to give it away yet.

shadokitty
03-06-15, 03:09 PM
I think Vudu sells them. No on Netflix, just checked last night. I forget if Amazon Video sold them, but they aren't Prime.

Oh well, there is always Young Indiana Jones, which I think is on Netflix.

On another note, while my BDs of Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, and my BD of Ninja III came, I still have to wait for my Gamera Legacy Collection. Apparently that didn't fall under 2 Day Shipping. Luckily, Iron Fist TV, which I paid the monthly sub for on Roku, has all the Gamera movies, and I have the collection of MST3K Gamera movies.

BobO'Link
03-06-15, 03:28 PM
I finally watched the "Icons of Adventure" (a set of 4 Hammer non-horror films) set I picked up some time back. It has 2 pretty good "Pirate" films and a couple of "Secret Society" type films. I liked the pirate films better but all 4 were enjoyable. I normally ignore special features but a review of this set talked highly about those included so I gave them a viewing.

The Merry Mutineers (1936) is a very fun animated short which features many famous actors of its time - Charles Laughton, Wallace Berry, Jimmy Durante, Joe E. Brown, and the real surprises of The Three Stooges, The Marx Brothers, and Laurel and Hardy! The worst drawings were of the Stooges but the rest actually look like who they're supposed to be.

Hot Paprika (1935) is a Columbia two-reeler with comedian Andy Clyde. It was a lot of fun - he plays a bank clerk who goes to the doctor with the hiccups. To "cure" him the doctor tells him he has 3 months to live. That cures the "illness" but before the doctor can tell him about the ruse he runs off to the Latin American country of Paprika where he's used to help incite a revolution.

And the first chapter of a 15 part serial: The Great Adventures of Captain Kidd (1953) (produced by Sam Katzman!) starring Richard Crane (Rocky Jones Space Ranger). It's very good with a excellent print. It's a shame Columbia hasn't seen fit to do a commercial release of this one and I've not found a PD release. I'd purchase either. I enjoyed chapter 1 enough that I looked for and found it on Youtube and have been viewing more chapters. It's quite fun and exciting. They haven't resorted to some of the normal "cheats" for the chapter cliffhangers... yet. I hope they don't.

**EDIT**
Well... only the first 7 chapters of "...Captain Kidd" appear to be available... I can't seem to turn up chapters 8-15 so I guess that one's a wash... bummer!

davidh777
03-06-15, 04:25 PM
Watching the mediocre neo-noir Body Heat ripoff China Moon. I haven't seen it in years and it appeared on Prime, so why not. Madeleine Stowe is attractive, but no Kathleen Turner.

shadokitty
03-07-15, 01:24 AM
I finally decided on what I want to focus on, 70s and 80s action like the original Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, and Airwolf.

Ash Ketchum
03-07-15, 05:33 AM
The Merry Mutineers (1936) is a very fun animated short which features many famous actors of its time - Charles Laughton, Wallace Berry, Jimmy Durante, Joe E. Brown, and the real surprises of The Three Stooges, The Marx Brothers, and Laurel and Hardy! The worst drawings were of the Stooges but the rest actually look like who they're supposed to be.



Thanks for mentioning "The Merry Mutineers." I just found it on YouTube and watched it. Good print! It's also got caricatures of W.C. Fields, Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, George Arliss and Guy Kibbee. Plus one I couldn't recognize. (The one saying, "All right, all right," followed by the parrot.) Shame they couldn't get the Three Stooges right, since it's a Columbia cartoon and the Stooges worked for the same studio!

BobO'Link
03-07-15, 07:53 AM
Thanks for mentioning "The Merry Mutineers." I just found it on YouTube and watched it. Good print! It's also got caricatures of W.C. Fields, Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, George Arliss and Guy Kibbee. Plus one I couldn't recognize. (The one saying, "All right, all right," followed by the parrot.) Shame they couldn't get the Three Stooges right, since it's a Columbia cartoon and the Stooges worked for the same studio!
Thanks for filling out the list! I was too lazy to put the disc back in to get those I didn't recall. I don't know the name of the "All right, all right" guy either although he looks somewhat familiar. Even though the Stooges were under contract to Columbia I wonder if there was something in their contract that prevented true likenesses to be used? With the others so spot-on and instantly recognizable you'd think the Stooges would look the best! As it is, only the hair cuts and mannerisms give away who they're supposed to be.

shadokitty
03-07-15, 09:34 AM
I'm really in a mood for action/adventure today, so plan to marathon the challenge today and as late as I can manage tonight.

Ash Ketchum
03-07-15, 10:39 AM
Thanks for filling out the list! I was too lazy to put the disc back in to get those I didn't recall. I don't know the name of the "All right, all right" guy either although he looks somewhat familiar. Even though the Stooges were under contract to Columbia I wonder if there was something in their contract that prevented true likenesses to be used? With the others so spot-on and instantly recognizable you'd think the Stooges would look the best! As it is, only the hair cuts and mannerisms give away who they're supposed to be.

"Mother Goose in Swingtime" (1939) is another one filled with movie star caricatures:

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BobO'Link
03-07-15, 02:02 PM
"Mother Goose in Swingtime" (1939) is another one filled with movie star caricatures:
Looked like *many* of the same ones too! I got a kick out of Cary Grant's ears flapping to put out the flames of his hot clarinet playing! :lol:

shadokitty
03-07-15, 02:12 PM
Was in the mood for some kaiju after lunch, so I thought let's do some Gamera. That being, I put in his first vs movie with Gamera vs Barugon. The part with the natives kind of reminded me of Monster From a Prehistoric Planet or Varan.

shadokitty
03-07-15, 10:08 PM
I'd already watched Part 1 a couple weeks ago, but I just finished the introduction of Catwoman in Batman: TAS, but watching 'The Cat and the Claw Pt 2'. I've also added more to my comic book cartoon collection by buying Super Friends S4, and Teen Titans S1 on Amazon Instant Video.

sleepyhead55
03-08-15, 12:01 AM
I watched Blade Runner today for the challenge. The first half was sort of slow moving for me but after the first hour passed I got into it more. Eventually, I ended up enjoying the film. I think I liked the two supporting characters (Rachael and Roy Beatty) more than I did Rick Deckard.

I'm trying to figure out what to watch tonight. I think I might actually watch a bunch of Sword Art Online episodes on Netflix.

shadokitty
03-08-15, 12:31 AM
I'm trying to figure out what to watch tonight. I think I might actually watch a bunch of Sword Art Online episodes on Netflix.

I'm watching anime tonight too. Just finished an episode of Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs. Sometime I'd like to see the Japanese version. I have a lot more anime I plan to watch tonight too, and maybe watch some online as well.

shadokitty
03-08-15, 01:06 AM
After watching some anime, I decided to spend the rest of the night watching sports and outdoor shows.

BobO'Link
03-08-15, 06:22 AM
Friday evening I watched a couple of older Jackie Chan films I'd picked up some time back and enjoyed them so much I spent most of Saturday viewing more Chan. I'd purchased a 8 film set from MC, re-releases of Mirimax titles and hadn't seen most of them, at least that's what I thought. As I watched I found I *had* seen several of the titles at some point but couldn't find them in my challenge lists. It only bothered me a bit as they were still enjoyable.

Shadokitty mentioned the "Gamera Legacy Collection" a few days ago which caused me to recall I'd not finished watching my copy of that one so I pulled it out to pick up where I'd left off during the SF/Fantasy Collection. I got in the 2nd disc of 3 films last night. I'd never seen these before as around here most of the Godzilla films received airplay but only the first Gamera film aired. I found that at this point in the franchise the films are uniformly bad and little better than Saturday AM kiddie show level. I know these were mostly aimed at kids from the beginning but it really seems to have degraded to the point that I don't see many kids truly enjoying them. Maybe I'm just in the wrong frame of mind to enjoy them at the moment so I'm going to leave the rest for later and try a few unwatched Godzilla films instead.

Ash Ketchum
03-08-15, 06:48 AM
Shadokitty mentioned the "Gamera Legacy Collection" a few days ago which caused me to recall I'd not finished watching my copy of that one so I pulled it out to pick up where I'd left off during the SF/Fantasy Collection. I got in the 2nd disc of 3 films last night. I'd never seen these before as around here most of the Godzilla films received airplay but only the first Gamera film aired. I found that at this point in the franchise the films are uniformly bad and little better than Saturday AM kiddie show level. I know these were mostly aimed at kids from the beginning but it really seems to have degraded to the point that I don't see many kids truly enjoying them. Maybe I'm just in the wrong frame of mind to enjoy them at the moment so I'm going to leave the rest for later and try a few unwatched Godzilla films instead.

Here's a post I wrote about the Gamera films for another forum several years ago. It might have some useful info to help appreciate the films more or identify the ones most worthy of attention:

I’m specifically curious about the first wave of Gamera films, the seven made from 1965-71. I’ve just finished watching/re-watching the seven and I’m intrigued by a number of things. First off, four of them have Caucasian/American co-stars, i.e. the Japanese boy hero is paired up with a white/American buddy. (Except for the boy scout in GAMERA VS. VIRAS, it’s not specified that the white kids are American, but I’m assuming they are.) Second, since I watched them in different formats, I’ve seen a mix of Japanese-language versions and English-dubbed versions. And the quality of the English dubs really varies. So let me turn this into two questions:

1) Who were the white/American kids in these films? I have their names from the films’ credits: Carl Craig Jr. (GAMERA VS. VIRAS/aka DESTROY ALL PLANETS), Christopher Murphy (GAMERA VS. GUIRON/aka ATTACK OF THE MONSTERS); Kelly Varis and Katherine Murphy (GAMERA VS. JIGER/aka GAMERA VS. MONSTER X); and Arlene Zoellner and Gloria Zoellner in GAMERA VS. ZIGRA. What are their stories? How were they recruited? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen one or more of them listed as convention guests. Have they ever been interviewed? Interestingly, in the Japanese version of ...JIGER, the four members of the Williams family, including little Susan, all speak Japanese (fluent to passable) in scenes shot sync-sound. However, when the mother speaks English, it’s in a French-sounding accent. Carl Craig Jr., from ...VIRAS, appears to be half-Japanese. And the two Zoellner girls in ZIGRA are half-Japanese (and play half-Japanese/half-American girls as well).
2) Now, there are apparently two sets of English-dubbed versions: the ones originally dubbed (by a New York crew) for AIP-TV’s release of the films to television back in the late 60s/early 70s; and the ones currently being syndicated to TV by Sandy Frank under the films’ original titles. These latter dubs are really terrible. GAMERA VS. GUIRON has got to be the very worst English dub I’ve ever heard in my life. And it ruins the film. When were these dubs made? Were they the original “international” versions, a la the dubs Toho made for their Godzilla series? Or were they simply redone in the 1980s when Sandy Frank picked up the rights? Speaking of which, why did Sandy Frank get the rights and not Orion? What’s the deal there?

Anyway, the quality of the films really varies. I really dug GAMERA VS. GAOS, GAMERA VS. VIRAS and, best of all, GAMERA VS. JIGER (aka ...MONSTER X), which is the one where the monsters threaten Osaka’s Expo ’70. The great thing about this one is that the boy heroes are older (adolescent) and thus able to take a greater role in the action and help to solve the problem of Gamera’s temporary disability and Jiger’s seeming indestructibility. And Gamera gets to fight Jiger in at least three major battles.

LorenzoL
03-08-15, 12:30 PM
Martial Arts of Shaolin (1986)
This movie introduced us to Jet Li, but man, what a stinker. Average plot about revenge and Shaolin principles. Below average effort by Lau Kar-leung.

Crippled Avengers (1978)
Much better effort and I like it better than Five Venoms. The first third of the movie is brutal and Kuan Tai Chen is simply phenomenal as the bad guy. The middle part bogs down with the training sequence but the last part of the movie ends in a long fighting sequence. Highly recommended!

One-Armed Swordsman (1967) and Return of One-Armed Swordsman (1969)
Jimmy Wang Yu embody this character with its code of ethics and the danger that the Martial Arts brings about. Although this movie was highly popular here in North America, the fighting sequences are really short and not very elaborate compared to other Martial Arts movies. The acting is very strong though the lack of a strong female role in Chang Cheh's movies bring the movie down.

The sequel is much more action oriented and most of the actors from the original return although in different roles.

Heroes of the East (1978)
Japan vs China but handled so delicately by Lau Kar-leung. Gordon Liu looking kind of goofy with a wig but the fighting sequences between all of the different disciplines is worth watching. The director has a funny cameo as a Drunken Boxing master.

I watched all of the above movies through the Dragon Dynasty DVD releases. One-Armed Swordsman and Heroes of the East contains good Special Features and are highly recommended.


You can! You want the Golden Harvest Company release (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FP8KP8/sr=1-1/qid=1425599048/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1425599048&sr=1-1) (amazon link). It's a all region, NTSC, Mandarin language, English subs, WS (non-anamorphic) release. camelcamelcamel (http://camelcamelcamel.com/Drunken-Master-2-Jackie-Chan/product/B004FP8KP8) shows the price goes down fairly regularly. I picked up a used copy a few years back and while it's the Golden Harvest print it has "Thakral" on the spine and the cover is a bit different being entirely in Mandarin with a little (very little) English on the back. Still it *is* Drunken Master II and that's what counts to me. :)

After thinking about it. I'm going to wait for a proper HD release of the whole uncut movie with English subtitles. Maybe I will be waiting for it forever...

If you haven't already seen them, I suggest you seek out some more of Stephen Chow's movies.

God of Cookery
From Beijing With Love
King of Beggars
Royal Tramp I
Royal Tramp II
A Chinese Odyssey Part 1
A Chinese Odyssey Part 2

My copies of A Chinese Odyssey aren't where I expected. I'll have to poke around for them.

I would add KUNG FU HUSTLE to that list. It's my favorite Stephen Chow movie. I need to see it again--maybe for this challenge.

I have God of Cookery and Bodyguard from Beijing on DVD and I'll watch King of Beggars through Netflix. I have Kung-Fu Hustle on Blu and will be watching it again for this challenge.

I like Stephen Chow and although he makes good action films, I consider him a comedic than an action actor.

BobO'Link
03-08-15, 01:03 PM
Here's a post I wrote about the Gamera films for another forum several years ago. It might have some useful info to help appreciate the films more or identify the ones most worthy of attention:
Gamera vs. Jiger (aka Monster X) was the last one I viewed last night and didn't find it to be much better than Gamera vs. Guiron which I'd watched just prior. The kids are totally annoying and I didn't like such stuff (kids that are "smarter than the adults" to attract the kid audience) even when I was the target age so it must be some ingrained thing. I watched Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster this morning and is was such a better film than the Gamera ones I watched yesterday that I found it difficult to give it a accurate rating. I finally settled on 6 out of 10 as that's what I'd probably given it without the lead in material. I decided I need to finish that Gamera set or it might languish for a looooong time so I'm about to watch Gamera vs. Zigra.

Ash Ketchum
03-08-15, 05:17 PM
Martial Arts of Shaolin (1986)
This movie introduced us to Jet Li, but man, what a stinker. Average plot about revenge and Shaolin principles. Below average effort by Lau Kar-leung.

Crippled Avengers (1978)
Much better effort and I like it better than Five Venoms. The first third of the movie is brutal and Kuan Tai Chen is simply phenomenal as the bad guy. The middle part bogs down with the training sequence but the last part of the movie ends in a long fighting sequence. Highly recommended!

One-Armed Swordsman (1967) and Return of One-Armed Swordsman (1969)
Jimmy Wang Yu embody this character with its code of ethics and the danger that the Martial Arts brings about. Although this movie was highly popular here in North America, the fighting sequences are really short and not very elaborate compared to other Martial Arts movies. The acting is very strong though the lack of a strong female role in Chang Cheh's movies bring the movie down.

The sequel is much more action oriented and most of the actors from the original return although in different roles.

Heroes of the East (1978)
Japan vs China but handled so delicately by Lau Kar-leung. Gordon Liu looking kind of goofy with a wig but the fighting sequences between all of the different disciplines is worth watching. The director has a funny cameo as a Drunken Boxing master.

I watched all of the above movies through the Dragon Dynasty DVD releases. One-Armed Swordsman and Heroes of the East contains good Special Features and are highly recommended.



MARTIAL ARTS OF SHAOLIN was done in Mainland China, so Lau was working without his usual crew. He then got crap from HK for working in China and was banned for a few years. That said, I saw this film on the big screen around 20 years ago and remember liking it.

ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN was a seminal film in the genre because it established certain conventions that would be expanded upon in later works, most notably Jimmy Wang Yu's own directorial effort, THE CHINESE BOXER (1970) which many critics (including me) cite as the first "true" kung fu film. But we wouldn't have had it without ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN. Also, ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN has two key female roles: The master's spoiled, petulant daughter who causes all the trouble in the first place, and the farm widow who takes Wang Yu in and gets him on the road back to regeneration. I think they're both pretty important. The wife character is also in the sequel but I think she may have had a smaller part there, but there was a pretty formidable female villain in the sequel, as I recall.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
03-08-15, 05:47 PM
This challenge has struck something with me and I'm watching more movies than I'd been since the last horror challenge. I hit a point in Dark Shadows where plots are changing, so I don't feel like I'm missing much by taking a longer break than usual.

I just finished The Agency, a tv movie dealing with subliminal messages in commercials, starring Robert Mitchum and Lee Majors.

Before that, I watched Arial Gunner which starred an uncredited Robert Mitchum. That one dealt with gunnery school during WWII for the guys that did the machine guns on bombers.

Both were from Mill Creek sets and both were pretty good.

Last night was Absolute Power which pretty much sucked but not so bad I didn't turn it off. Just not good enough to want to revisit anytime soon.

Up next is the 1938 classic, Algiers

BobO'Link
03-08-15, 06:23 PM
Well... I must admit that Gamera vs. Zigra and Gamera: Super Monster were better than any of the previous 3 Gamera films I watched. I found that somewhat surprising as "vs. Zigra" has much lower IMDB ratings than those 3. I'm pretty sure I liked it better because it didn't have the same annoying kid actors as those prior 3. The kids in it were rather low key and mostly kept in the background. It was much the same for "Super Monster." It surprised me as much of the fight sequences were clips from prior releases *very* cleverly interwoven into this new film. Because I'd just seen quite a few of them the clips were obvious but had it been a few months I don't know if I'd have really noticed that much. That leaves me some hope that the last 3 films, the 90s "relaunch" of the character, will be better - especially since I read a Roger Ebert review on the first in which he gave it a good review (he's a "go-to" reviewer for me that I can typically trust and agree with - I miss him).

After those 2 films I switched gears to watch a pair of Adventure films starring George Reeves - Thunder in the Pines which is about a pair of loggers competing for a mail-order bride, and Jungle Goddess the search for a lost heiress deep in Darkest Africa and a quasi-lost civilization lorded over by a white woman (the lost heiress - imagine that!). "Thunder" is the better of the two with "Goddess" pretty much the typical cliche riddled girl lost in the jungle ruling a "lost" tribe plot. Both are quite fun with "Goddess" something in which you would expect to find Tarzan swinging by for a visit.

LorenzoL
03-08-15, 06:40 PM
ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN was a seminal film in the genre because it established certain conventions that would be expanded upon in later works, most notably Jimmy Wang Yu's own directorial effort, THE CHINESE BOXER (1970) which many critics (including me) cite as the first "true" kung fu film. But we wouldn't have had it without ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN. Also, ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN has two key female roles: The master's spoiled, petulant daughter who causes all the trouble in the first place, and the farm widow who takes Wang Yu in and gets him on the road back to regeneration. I think they're both pretty important. The wife character is also in the sequel but I think she may have had a smaller part there, but there was a pretty formidable female villain in the sequel, as I recall.
The daughter might have been the catalyst for his exile but didn't find her very important however, you are right about the wife. She doesn't have a big role in the sequel but she's there to remind Jimmy Wang Yu about leaving the Martial Arts behind.

shadokitty
03-08-15, 07:42 PM
Well... I must admit that Gamera vs. Zigra and Gamera: Super Monster were better than any of the previous 3 Gamera films I watched. I found that somewhat surprising as "vs. Zigra" has much lower IMDB ratings than those 3. I'm pretty sure I liked it better because it didn't have the same annoying kid actors as those prior 3. The kids in it were rather low key and mostly kept in the background. It was much the same for "Super Monster." It surprised me as much of the fight sequences were clips from prior releases *very* cleverly interwoven into this new film. Because I'd just seen quite a few of them the clips were obvious but had it been a few months I don't know if I'd have really noticed that much. That leaves me some hope that the last 3 films, the 90s "relaunch" of the character, will be better - especially since I read a Roger Ebert review on the first in which he gave it a good review (he's a "go-to" reviewer for me that I can typically trust and agree with - I miss him).




I think the Heisei Gamera films are marketed more to adults maybe, because other than Gamera the Brave, there is such thing as the annoying kid, unless you count a girl villain as one in Gamera 3.

Earlier today I caught part of one of the kung fu movies on El Rey. I watched The Lady is the Boss. I didn't have time to watch it all, but even if I did, I don't know if I would have counted it, since it seemed more comedy to me than action.

sleepyhead55
03-08-15, 10:56 PM
Watched a couple of movies today to check off a couple of boxes on the checklist:

Kill Bill Vol I was an entertaining film. I guess I had the same impression I had when I watched this around 10 years ago. It's entertainment and I treat it as such which is why I don't get annoyed with stuff like the spraying blood. I have to say that the dialogue here isn't really funny or good here (as like in Pulp Fiction). And I also found one of the later fight scenes (the latter half of the Crazy 88's one) a little too long for my liking. Not one of Tarentino's best but it is nowhere near as long and exhausting to watch as either Django Unchained or Inglorious Basterds.

Also watchedChanging Lanes today on Netflix. I liked the first 45 minutes of this but the last third seemed kinda predictable and really the characters started behaving like idiots. It's watchable but not something I would go out of my way to see again.

pacaway
03-08-15, 11:24 PM
Went to a couple foreign movies at an art house theater today, one of which should qualify for this. The first one was Gett: The Trial of Viviane Amsalem, an Israeli courtroom drama of a woman trying to divorce her husband.

The second, and qualifying film, was A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night. The first Iranian vampire movie. It was okay... more worth seeing because of the novelty of it than anything. Very nicely shot in black & white.

lisadoris
03-09-15, 05:48 AM
So I just finished the Amazon series Bosch and it was much better than I expected. It always helps when you have a couple alums from The Wire on your show. I hope Amazon gives it a second season and now I might have to go read the books.

Ash Ketchum
03-09-15, 06:41 AM
Well... I must admit that Gamera vs. Zigra and Gamera: Super Monster were better than any of the previous 3 Gamera films I watched. I found that somewhat surprising as "vs. Zigra" has much lower IMDB ratings than those 3. I'm pretty sure I liked it better because it didn't have the same annoying kid actors as those prior 3. The kids in it were rather low key and mostly kept in the background. It was much the same for "Super Monster." It surprised me as much of the fight sequences were clips from prior releases *very* cleverly interwoven into this new film. Because I'd just seen quite a few of them the clips were obvious but had it been a few months I don't know if I'd have really noticed that much. That leaves me some hope that the last 3 films, the 90s "relaunch" of the character, will be better - especially since I read a Roger Ebert review on the first in which he gave it a good review (he's a "go-to" reviewer for me that I can typically trust and agree with - I miss him).


The three '90s Gamera films are great, especially the first and third, GAMERA GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE and GAMERA III: THE REVENGE OF IRIS. Lots of location shooting in Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan and use of actual on-air TV talent to report on the kaiju goings-on. Steven Seagal's daughter, Ayako Fujitani, plays a key role in all three. There are scenes in GAMERA III where you'll just swear they filmed the monster attacks as they happened! In one, the usual Friday night antics in Shibuya are interrupted by a monster attack. In another, there's a battle between Gamera and Iris at Kyoto Station, filmed with two actors in monster suits on a miniature set that's so well crafted that the scene looks like they simply went to Kyoto Station and filmed an actual monster battle.

Shinobu Nakayama, who plays the ornithologist character, played Jet Li's Japanese wife in FIST OF LEGEND.

coyoteblue
03-09-15, 07:45 AM
The three '90s Gamera films are great, especially the first and third, GAMERA GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE and GAMERA III: THE REVENGE OF IRIS. Lots of location shooting in Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan and use of actual on-air TV talent to report on the kaiju goings-on. Steven Seagal's daughter, Ayako Fujitani, plays a key role in all three. There are scenes in GAMERA III where you'll just swear they filmed the monster attacks as they happened! In one, the usual Friday night antics in Shibuya are interrupted by a monster attack. In another, there's a battle between Gamera and Iris at Kyoto Station, filmed with two actors in monster suits on a miniature set that's so well crafted that the scene looks like they simply went to Kyoto Station and filmed an actual monster battle.

Shinobu Nakayama, who plays the ornithologist character, played Jet Li's Japanese wife in FIST OF LEGEND.

Nakama Yukie (Trick/Gokusen/etc) is an early victim of Iris.

shadokitty
03-09-15, 09:24 AM
Because I was in the mood for kaiju, as well as to prepare for sometime watching the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, I just revisited the original movie that started all the Mothra appearances, Mothra. At least to me, the movie still holds up.

Trevor
03-09-15, 10:43 AM
I think I'm going to stick with DC Comic stuff all month, to sync with our comic challenge.

Watchmen held up well for me, and the animated Wonder Woman film from a few years back was decent. Maybe I'll start Arrow or Smallville today.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
03-09-15, 11:05 AM
I watched Ender's Game last night and liked it. Never read the book but I could tell they had to speed things up in the film to get where they wanted to be at in the end, so it didn't bother me as much as other people apparently. I also refuse to believe that the idea for Harry Potter just fell into Rowlings head one day, without the help of the Ender's game short story.

I'd like to see the series continued without feeling rushed but since that probably won't happen, I'll just need to start reading the books.

Next on my plate is Alice, Sweet Alice from this set http://www.crazedfanboy.com/npcr11/dvd-review--scream-theater-12-cheap-chills.php

shadokitty
03-09-15, 11:28 AM
Continuing with kaiju, I just finished Cult of UHF: Monster From a Prehistoric Planet. I know it's a bad movie, about as bad or a little worse than the Showa Gamera films, but I still enjoy it. But then I'm a sucker for monster movies. Sometime this month, plan to watch m copy of 7th Voyage of Sinbad.

Trevor
03-09-15, 11:37 AM
I watched Ender's Game last night and liked it. Never read the book but I could tell they had to speed things up in the film to get where they wanted to be at in the end, so it didn't bother me as much as other people apparently. I also refuse to believe that the idea for Harry Potter just fell into Rowlings head one day, without the help of the Ender's game short story.

I'd like to see the series continued without feeling rushed but since that probably won't happen, I'll just need to start reading the books.
The first book is great, an all-time classic. The next was very good iirc, but then I lost interest.

shadokitty
03-09-15, 12:44 PM
Just watched my first Doctor Who episode of the challenge. An old ep from series 2. I always preferred classic to new Doctor Who. Maybe it was cause of growing up seeing them on PBS.

BobO'Link
03-09-15, 12:44 PM
The three '90s Gamera films are great, especially the first and third, GAMERA GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE and GAMERA III: THE REVENGE OF IRIS....
That's good to hear!

My youngest granddaughter (almost 4) came in Saturday afternoon while I was watching one of the middle three films, asked if it was "scary" (I said "no") and hung around a few minutes. She liked the flying turtle so when she came over Sunday she asked to see more of the "flying turtle movie." Hmmm... what have I done!?!?! :D :lol:

BobO'Link
03-09-15, 12:46 PM
Because I was in the mood for kaiju, as well as to prepare for sometime watching the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, I just revisited the original movie that started all the Mothra appearances, Mothra. At least to me, the movie still holds up.
I've always liked the original Mothra and it's even better in the remastered OAR version. Several times I've almost picked the "Rebirth" films but reviews have kept me away. I'll be interested in your opinion of those.

Dimension X
03-09-15, 01:07 PM
Earlier today I caught part of one of the kung fu movies on El Rey. I watched The Lady is the Boss. I didn't have time to watch it all, but even if I did, I don't know if I would have counted it, since it seemed more comedy to me than action.
What makes you think Action/Comedies don't count? So I guess I shouldn't have counted Return to the 36th Chamber (1980) or Disciples of the 36th Chamber (1985) last week either since they're both Action/Comedies. :rolleyes:

The only thing that I can see that would disqualify anyone listing The Lady is the Boss is if they did like you, and only watched "part of" it.

EDIT: A note to anyone who recorded The Lady is the Boss off El Rey, but hasn't watched it yet; you might want to hold off watching it until next month's Drive-In Challenge since it's a very '80s movie (fashion, BMX bikes, etc.).

Dimension X
03-09-15, 01:17 PM
The first book is great, an all-time classic. The next was very good iirc, but then I lost interest.
I remember liking Ender's Game, but not being overly impressed with it. I think I'd read too many fan-boys on the internet calling it the "best sci-fi book ever" - nothing would've lived up to all that hype. Haven't bothered with the sequels - yet.

BobO'Link
03-09-15, 01:19 PM
I watched Ender's Game last night and liked it. Never read the book but I could tell they had to speed things up in the film to get where they wanted to be at in the end, so it didn't bother me as much as other people apparently. I also refuse to believe that the idea for Harry Potter just fell into Rowlings head one day, without the help of the Ender's game short story.
I've only read the first 2 (3?) books of the main "Ender" series and that was almost 30 years ago when they were first published.. I really enjoyed the first and didn't care as much for the 2nd but I still recall it being good. The "feel" of the books is quite different as it goes into more philosophical territory with the 2nd book (don't know about the others). In spite of being a major SF fan I was unaware it began as a short story. I've only read the novel. I've also not seen the film but it's on my "to purchase" short list. I can also see the need to "speed things up" for the film. There's quite a lot that happens in that ~400 page novel.

shadokitty
03-09-15, 02:31 PM
What makes you think Action/Comedies don't count? So I guess I shouldn't have counted Return to the 36th Chamber (1980) or Disciples of the 36th Chamber (1985) last week either since they're both Action/Comedies. :rolleyes:



I didn't mean not count Action Comedies, but at least not till the end, I didn't see much action at all.

Ash Ketchum
03-09-15, 03:16 PM
I've always liked the original Mothra and it's even better in the remastered OAR version. Several times I've almost picked the "Rebirth" films but reviews have kept me away. I'll be interested in your opinion of those.

It should be pointed out that the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy was designed as children's entertainment. I'm not sure how well they work with kids but it's worth a try. I remember when I watched them, esp. the first one, thinking how much better I'd like it if I was a child. There are some imaginative touches in one of them (I think the first one). I bought the Blu-ray 3-pack because the price was so cheap but I haven't seen them since I bought the VHS fan-subs around 15 years ago.

LJG765
03-09-15, 03:39 PM
I've had a fairly slow start, not sure if I'll pick up any speed the rest of the month, but hope to watch at least a few more. Just finding myself busy or traveling a lot this winter for some reason.

I did watch Kill Bill vol. 1 for the first time yesterday. I had started it one other time a few years ago, reached the part where the Bride is in the hospital and turned it off. Got through it this time, it was better than I had remembered but could have done without the blood. I'll definitely look around for Kill Bill vol. 2, hopefully for this challenge, but I wasn't that impressed with this one compared to some of Tarantino's other movies.

As for Ender's Game the movie, I enjoyed it, but thought the book was much better. I have been waiting for probably 20 years for that book to be made a movie and was a bit let down. I had hoped for more Battle School scenes but realize that it had to be hard to pare it down to fit a 2 hour movie. The books themselves I really do recommend. I agree with the others, though, that say that the first two are kind of the best. Xenocide and Children of the Mind are two of his worst-they are very esoteric, morals driven fare. Kind of difficult to get through, imo. Card took a break, then came back to the series by writing about some of the other characters in the original book and those were much better. I almost would say, you could skip books 2-4 without losing much.

I do have to say, my enjoyment of the books has been dented when Card was outed at a bigot when the movie came out. I had no idea what his beliefs were and it did tint his achievements in writing for me. I'm still not sure if I am going to buy any of his books anymore. I just am having a hard time separating the art from the artist. And to be honest, I don't want to show support for his ideas by giving him money. But...I really do enjoy the books and don't feel like they have his opinions written in. I haven't gone back and reread them since, but I don't feel like he was trying to share them with his books.

Dimension X
03-09-15, 03:41 PM
I didn't mean not count Action Comedies, but at least not till the end, I didn't see much action at all.
How much of the movie did you see? Yeah, there was a lot of "story" and the inevitable training sequences. But there was the dancing-fight scene at the disco. A fight between the prostitutes/new students and their johns and the waiters/pimps. A fight with the Lady Boss and the waiters/pimps. The BMX fight at a construction site. A few more fights at the disco and a bar. And the big fight in the gymnasium at the end. There was plenty of kung fu (and bike fu) action in that movie. I just wish I'd waited until next month to watch it since it was such a goofy flick.

sleepyhead55
03-09-15, 03:52 PM
I've had a fairly slow start, not sure if I'll pick up any speed the rest of the month, but hope to watch at least a few more. Just finding myself busy or traveling a lot this winter for some reason.

I did watch Kill Bill vol. 1 for the first time yesterday. I had started it one other time a few years ago, reached the part where the Bride is in the hospital and turned it off. Got through it this time, it was better than I had remembered but could have done without the blood. I'll definitely look around for Kill Bill vol. 2, hopefully for this challenge, but I wasn't that impressed with this one compared to some of Tarantino's other movies.


I find that I don't really love any Tarentino films except for maybe Pulp Fiction. I liked the Kill Bill films, but I don't exactly love them and would only watch maybe once every few years. I saw Jackie Brown once and kinda liked it but I'm not sure how much I'd rewatch it. I think I might watch it for the challenge since it fulfills one of the categories. And I find most of Tarentino's current output tedious. Those films aren't unwatchable but they are a pain to slog through.

LJG765
03-09-15, 05:22 PM
I find that I don't really love any Tarentino films except for maybe Pulp Fiction. I liked the Kill Bill films, but I don't exactly love them and would only watch maybe once every few years. I saw Jackie Brown once and kinda liked it but I'm not sure how much I'd rewatch it. I think I might watch it for the challenge since it fulfills one of the categories. And I find most of Tarentino's current output tedious. Those films aren't unwatchable but they are a pain to slog through.

I wouldn't say I've watched all of his films, but I've mostly enjoyed the ones I have except for Reservoir Dogs. Like you, Pulp Fiction is probably my favorite. I enjoyed Inglorious Basterds, though the first bit is tough to slog through for me. From Dusk to Dawn is alright as well. Hmm, was just going though his filmography. I didn't realize how few of his I've actually watched-weird, I feel like I've watched most of them but really haven't, especially the more recent ones. Also, I totally thought he directed Desperado, but I see he just acted in it. My main complaint about this is the over the top gore like in Kill Bill. Where it is so bad that it is past realistic. I know that that is his "style" but it's not something I enjoy. It's one of the reasons I just don't watch horror movies.

I enjoy action movies and gun fights and what not, but I just don't enjoy the blood porn aspect of the more extreme ones, if that makes sense...

shadokitty
03-09-15, 05:30 PM
How much of the movie did you see? Yeah, there was a lot of "story" and the inevitable training sequences. But there was the dancing-fight scene at the disco. A fight between the prostitutes/new students and their johns and the waiters/pimps. A fight with the Lady Boss and the waiters/pimps. The BMX fight at a construction site. A few more fights at the disco and a bar. And the big fight in the gymnasium at the end. There was plenty of kung fu (and bike fu) action in that movie. I just wish I'd waited until next month to watch it since it was such a goofy flick.

I only saw a couple of those sequences.


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