Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
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Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
Episode 12 / Production #712 - "Red Rose" (Airs December 2, 10:00 pm e/p) - With tensions mounting and truths finally revealed, Jax must make the ultimate decision. Written by Kurt Sutter & Charles Murray; directed by Paris Barclay.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
Looks like 90mins and aftershow. My DVR shows a 2 hour and 41 min block.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
Kind of boring. Juice gets raped some more then Manson kills him, meh. Deals are made people going around killing people, meh. Gemma with papa was ok but could have been better. Ghost girl came back to buy some candy, meh. Hey its that one lady from buffy and angel. I like that lady. Oh and its that one guy from the shield and american horror story. I like that guy. Unser and Gemma are killed, meh. Wendy pretends to be Juice so she can have butt sex, mmmmm. I'd hit it.
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Good to see Sutter get the checklist mostly complete (Useless Gemma scenes - well I guess it was needed for the key cameo, good prison lovin', Jax saying "I love you" and "I'm sorry", other MC's still blindly trusting Jax's plans, Jax filling in everyone later, Sutter cameos - Manson, some bald guy with a hat, and that was Charisma Carpenter in the nursing home right?)
Gotta love Jax going full on evil - killing Unser and then throwing one into Wendy at the end knowing he's about to be killed (I assume this will happen next week); that should be good for Wendy's stability. Kind of sucks Unser died but it seemed pretty clear for a while that either he or Nero were going to be the Gemma collateral damage.
So I assume next week is Jax (and his death?) taking the club in a new direction. The unwritten bylaw? A Samcro/One niner patchover after Jax gets the Mayhem vote? I'm just surprised that the random scene with Jax's foot/leg in pain in the beginning was not foreshadowing (though there's always next week).
Crazy speculation
At least the promo for Justified looked awesome.
Gotta love Jax going full on evil - killing Unser and then throwing one into Wendy at the end knowing he's about to be killed (I assume this will happen next week); that should be good for Wendy's stability. Kind of sucks Unser died but it seemed pretty clear for a while that either he or Nero were going to be the Gemma collateral damage.
So I assume next week is Jax (and his death?) taking the club in a new direction. The unwritten bylaw? A Samcro/One niner patchover after Jax gets the Mayhem vote? I'm just surprised that the random scene with Jax's foot/leg in pain in the beginning was not foreshadowing (though there's always next week).
Crazy speculation
Spoiler:
At least the promo for Justified looked awesome.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
I have to say, that I have been watching this show from the beginning and have become so uninterested in the characters overall that we had 3 major deaths (and 2 people I used to really like) and not care at all.
Looking forward to Justified though!
Looking forward to Justified though!
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3 major deaths last night... and 10 posts in this thread.
This show went on for way too long.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
What really is a shame is that Justified does not get the credit it deserves. I hear people at working talking about Sons nonstop ... but it seems like no one I know watches Justified.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
Well, the episode was slotted for 161 minutes last night with Anarchy Afterword. I don't think many here stayed up until almost 1am ET on a weeknight to watch it live. I think these bloated time slots are a factor.
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I think the show took a wrong direction not went on too long. The first few seasons the Sons were bad guys but protecting their town and people. It seemed a change from code type stuff where the bad guys always had to be punished. Then it went on the rails of standard stupid bad guy stuff and now they wil get theirs. It was all just a case of laziness on the writers part. It's too bad because it started really well.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
Good to see Sutter get the checklist mostly complete (Useless Gemma scenes - well I guess it was needed for the key cameo, good prison lovin', Jax saying "I love you" and "I'm sorry", other MC's still blindly trusting Jax's plans, Jax filling in everyone later, Sutter cameos - Manson, some bald guy with a hat, and that was Charisma Carpenter in the nursing home right?)
Gotta love Jax going full on evil - killing Unser and then throwing one into Wendy at the end knowing he's about to be killed (I assume this will happen next week); that should be good for Wendy's stability. Kind of sucks Unser died but it seemed pretty clear for a while that either he or Nero were going to be the Gemma collateral damage.
So I assume next week is Jax (and his death?) taking the club in a new direction. The unwritten bylaw? A Samcro/One niner patchover after Jax gets the Mayhem vote? I'm just surprised that the random scene with Jax's foot/leg in pain in the beginning was not foreshadowing (though there's always next week).
Crazy speculation
At least the promo for Justified looked awesome.
Gotta love Jax going full on evil - killing Unser and then throwing one into Wendy at the end knowing he's about to be killed (I assume this will happen next week); that should be good for Wendy's stability. Kind of sucks Unser died but it seemed pretty clear for a while that either he or Nero were going to be the Gemma collateral damage.
So I assume next week is Jax (and his death?) taking the club in a new direction. The unwritten bylaw? A Samcro/One niner patchover after Jax gets the Mayhem vote? I'm just surprised that the random scene with Jax's foot/leg in pain in the beginning was not foreshadowing (though there's always next week).
Crazy speculation
Spoiler:
At least the promo for Justified looked awesome.
Beyond that, this was a show that had two excellent seasons and filler for the rest. Sutter was basically jerking off the entire time. He is not the amazing writer he claims to be either, so that non-sense should stop now.
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I as well predicted the same thing about three weeks ago. It was pretty telegraphed if you ask me.
Beyond that, this was a show that had two excellent seasons and filler for the rest. Sutter was basically jerking off the entire time. He is not the amazing writer he claims to be either, so that non-sense should stop now.
Beyond that, this was a show that had two excellent seasons and filler for the rest. Sutter was basically jerking off the entire time. He is not the amazing writer he claims to be either, so that non-sense should stop now.
FX really is a fail with regards to the aftershow. It comes across as cheap, boring, monotone, and seemingly directionless. Not sure if they are planning one for Justified but I hope they change it completely if they do.
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Meh. Only death I was sad to see was Unser's. He's always sort of tried to do the right thing. Unfortunately, that got him killed.
I am surprised they didn't save Gemma's death for the finale. It seems like the entire show the past year or two was leading up to that moment. So I assume the finale is gonna be Jax vs. Marx?
I am surprised they didn't save Gemma's death for the finale. It seems like the entire show the past year or two was leading up to that moment. So I assume the finale is gonna be Jax vs. Marx?
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
The foot thing is the only reason I'll watch next episode. It's just such a random "thing" that I've become emotionally invested finding out what it's about.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
Poor Charisma Carpenter is hard up for work. What a random bit part.
Poor Unser. Well, fitting he basically died with Gemma.
Poor Unser. Well, fitting he basically died with Gemma.
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I've become so divested from the show that it took me a moment to remember who other than Unser and Gemma got whacked. You know you're no longer paying attention when neo-Nazi Marilyn Manson stabbing his Puerto Rican love slave to death in a prison cafeteria doesn't even register on your meter.
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I've become so divested from the show that it took me a moment to remember who other than Unser and Gemma got whacked. You know you're no longer paying attention when neo-Nazi Marilyn Manson stabbing his Puerto Rican love slave to death in a prison cafeteria doesn't even register on your meter.
Oh SOA, what happened to you?
And I agree with the posters here that Justified DOES NOT GET ITS DUE! One of the many under appreciated shows out there. I hope that it going to go out strong. Great story telling imho.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
not ashamed to admit I've been completely lost with the plot and motivations of these characters for the past 3 seasons.
none of these deaths bothered me in the least. maybe Unser for a split second... maybe.
this show was so good the first couple of seasons... now... just needs to be put out to pasture like a horse with a broken leg.
ps: I miss Opie and Ron Perlman.
none of these deaths bothered me in the least. maybe Unser for a split second... maybe.
this show was so good the first couple of seasons... now... just needs to be put out to pasture like a horse with a broken leg.
ps: I miss Opie and Ron Perlman.
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This is the biggie for me. And also this year, the other members really have no need to be even around.
I don't know if it's because I've lost interest, but when they mention someone by name in a gang, or Irish, I really have no clue who the fuck they are even talking about anymore.
I don't know if it's because I've lost interest, but when they mention someone by name in a gang, or Irish, I really have no clue who the fuck they are even talking about anymore.
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Re: Sons of Anarchy (S7E12) - "Red Rose" - 12/2/14
This is the biggie for me. And also this year, the other members really have no need to be even around.
I don't know if it's because I've lost interest, but when they mention someone by name in a gang, or Irish, I really have no clue who the fuck they are even talking about anymore.
I don't know if it's because I've lost interest, but when they mention someone by name in a gang, or Irish, I really have no clue who the fuck they are even talking about anymore.
This probably applies more to the last episode, but does anyone remember the second season when a main character being raped by a neo Nazi was portrayed as shocking and horrific? Whereas in this season the same situation was largely played for laughs.